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| I'm just saying you think that they would be wanting to breed to the only the best mares out there to get his % of winners up there because we all know that many amazing mares are being bred to him.. If this would happen and they would get the % of winners up they could easily sky rocket the breeding fee and those amazing mares would still be knocking at their door. I just thought they would limit his book to only those. JMO I'm taking a look at this as a business stand point
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Location: Midwest | Both are exceptionally nice
I'd probably pick Slick for resale reasons. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | im a sucker for firewater flits.....and ima copper bug too was a pretty nice mare inher day.........
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Tatum2 - 2014-12-24 8:26 AM I'm just saying you think that they would be wanting to breed to the only the best mares out there to get his % of winners up there because we all know that many amazing mares are being bred to him.. If this would happen and they would get the % of winners up they could easily sky rocket the breeding fee and those amazing mares would still be knocking at their door. I just thought they would limit his book to only those. JMO I'm taking a look at this as a business stand point
I am guessing the "average Joe" is happy they arent limiting it as you thought they should. And I am pretty sure they have a stellar line up of mares already, so that will help his book as well. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | More colts gives them more chances to have lots of success too. That can work both ways. |
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| This is pretty much the opposite way of thinking that Jason and I have. We have been in the training and breeding business for over 20 years and in that time never did I ever go look at a prospect and think " oh , it's a really nice prospect but there's so many out there by that stud" , instead I look for great prospects and horses, I don't care if the stallion of the prospect has 10 or 1000 foals, all I care about is the prospect and if it's has the qualities I'm looking for in a good horse. And why would I want to out price my horse so only the wealthy can breed to him? We are in the breeding business to sell breedings. We sent out discounts to return breeders as a thank you . We were very fortunate to breed some of the very top mares in the industry and a very greatful , but I've ridden and trained a lot of nice horses that were out of unknown or average mares. Slick not only has an amazing record, but he is the best minded and kindest barrel stallion I have ever seen. I think Ima Firefighter is a very nice horse also, you should pick the stallion which best suits your mare . Charlie |
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| Dash Ta Fame has 2750 foals. I have not yet seen anywhere you can buy them for a dime a dozen. Slick was very fortunate to breed some of the very best mares in the Industry last year. These mares are owned by great owners and will be promoted by great riders. We feel this will help the marketablebility of his foals in the future.
When you go to a barrel race and 5 out of the top 10 in the 1D are Dash Ta Fames do you leave the barrel race saying I want a Dash Ta Fame or do you say who would ever want a Dash Ta Fame even if they win there are just to many?
Giving a discount to a past breeder is called good customer service. |
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Location: Texas | Cwby1 - 2014-12-24 11:15 PM This is pretty much the opposite way of thinking that Jason and I have. We have been in the training and breeding business for over 20 years and in that time never did I ever go look at a prospect and think " oh , it's a really nice prospect but there's so many out there by that stud" , instead I look for great prospects and horses, I don't care if the stallion of the prospect has 10 or 1000 foals, all I care about is the prospect and if it's has the qualities I'm looking for in a good horse. And why would I want to out price my horse so only the wealthy can breed to him? We are in the breeding business to sell breedings. We sent out discounts to return breeders as a thank you . We were very fortunate to breed some of the very top mares in the industry and a very greatful , but I've ridden and trained a lot of nice horses that were out of unknown or average mares. Slick not only has an amazing record, but he is the best minded and kindest barrel stallion I have ever seen. I think Ima Firefighter is a very nice horse also, you should pick the stallion which best suits your mare . Charlie
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Location: Nowhere Special | Random general statement, as I think both studs are nice and you really couldn't go wrong with either one.
When comparing a horses achievements you have to take into consideration their geographical location. To "Prove" a horse in the north will take a tremendous amount of more money, time and hauling then it takes to prove horse in the south. Barrel races are few and far in between (both distance and time) up north, the entries are fewer, its usually a much longer haul to the bigger added money barrel races as well as futurities. All of this takes more money in fuel, more time to get there, more hauling on the horse so on and so forth. Then add in the limited "riding time" due to weather in the north.. A horse in the south has a much better opportunity to get the training, hauling and runs in just simply due to the vast availability of barrel races, less hauling, less stress and more training time.. JMO |
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Location: My own little world :) | Cwby1 - 2014-12-24 11:15 PM
This is pretty much the opposite way of thinking that Jason and I have. We have been in the training and breeding business for over 20 years and in that time never did I ever go look at a prospect and think " oh , it's a really nice prospect but there's so many out there by that stud" , instead I look for great prospects and horses, I don't care if the stallion of the prospect has 10 or 1000 foals, all I care about is the prospect and if it's has the qualities I'm looking for in a good horse. And why would I want to out price my horse so only the wealthy can breed to him? We are in the breeding business to sell breedings. We sent out discounts to return breeders as a thank you . We were very fortunate to breed some of the very top mares in the industry and a very greatful , but I've ridden and trained a lot of nice horses that were out of unknown or average mares. Slick not only has an amazing record, but he is the best minded and kindest barrel stallion I have ever seen. I think Ima Firefighter is a very nice horse also, you should pick the stallion which best suits your mare . Charlie
This is awesome! And I am so appreciative of the discount as it looks like with his success I may not be able to afford him in the future! This my be a very novice question but how do you really figure what stallion is the best match for your mare? Especially when you can't see the stallions in person? |
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Location: sunny california | I think you need to consider first if your decision to breed is an emotional one or if it is strickly buisness. For buisness: I think I would have to go with slick for marketability reasons. They have proven that they will go the distance and their record for choices improves my chances of having a good investment. Note I am not saying the resulting horse will be any better, but I feel the investment would.
If I won the lotto and could afford to make my decisions based on pure emotion, I would go with Ima Firefighter cuz I like him so much!!!!
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | Both are nice... can't go wrong thats for sure.... but if had to make a choice btwn those two - I'd choose Ima Firefighter.. have a friend with 2 of his foals.. both are nice and solid.. never offered to buck.. great minds and real honest performers.. they are coming 2 and 3 yr olds this year - they are both built great - her mare was a real nice proven barrel horse and on the smaller side and both foals are bigger than the mare and built perfect. I would say you can't go wrong with a Backdraft baby. And I would bet money in the next 2 to 3 years you are going to see a lot of his babies winning in the barrel pen. |
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Location: here | I have always liked Ima Firefighters color and conformation. Now if I just had a mare to breed to him he would be my pick. Ha ha |
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| If you really go back and look at their parentage. Copper Bugs was the horse that still ran an All American race and was lame in 3 of 4 legs. Can you just imagine how fast he really was!! Also you need to take into consideration of how much the foal your wanting to get is going to be your sole mate in your riding! If you have a good dance partner and you love the hoer The SKY is The Limit!! That is with us all!! I have proven this. I went to a killer horse sale and bought a horse. Spent the time and energy now she is one AWSOME mare!! Even was rode by a past NFR qualifier as a back up at a rodeo!! Do your own thing! |
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| Here is something to think about?
Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible.
With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick.
It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you.
It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily.
My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015.
Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so? |
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | I think that when promoting younger stallions, you need to get the numbers out there! We all know that proven mares and proven producing mares probably have a better statistical chance of producing a winner because there should be stronger genetics and because those type of foals are then more apt to be put into the hands of professional/knowledgeable trainers. But, we also know that sometimes the "average" mare and the "average" trainer can go onto be amazing! So, knowing that I am always willing to book mares to people who are wanting to improve their chances.
As I said before, I think both of them are great options for either resale or for your next prospect. I don't know if you have actually spoken with the owners of Slick. But if not, I think you should. And I also think you should give me a call! You could then visit about some of your concerns and about what you are excited about regarding each option. Before you make your final decision I would love to be able to send you an information packet on him and to get the chance to actually visit with you! My cell is 402-760-1624, please feel free to call anytime!!! |
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| I would definitely choose the stud that had the most winning record- and if you have the opportunity to see them up close and personal, take note of their feet... |
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| I bred to slick by design only because my horses are very closely related to backdraft. I can say both stallions are managed by fantastic people. Sonya works hard for people and is doing her best to promote her stallions. I appreciate slick by design staying "reasonable" for the small person like myself who has a top notch mare who deserves a nice stallion but I can't spend 5000 on a stud fee. Working with Christy at Highpointe has been a pleasure and I can only imagine that is a reflection of the stallion owners. The kindness I have been extended as a "nobody's" in barrel racing has been a wonderful surprise. Point being either stallion is nice and I don't think you can go wrong.
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| Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,, |
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:05 PM
Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,,
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