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Location: who knows? | Yes they have ran on crappier ground during the year, but not 10 nights in a row!!!! And no excuse for it!!! | |
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| Rodeo is rodeo, yes, but being this is the "super bowl" of rodeo and the most televised, not to mention it is indoors, so weather conditions are not an excuse, it should have the BEST ground. I will say though, I wouldn't place blame solely on the tractor driver or implement. You can go buy the most expensive implement and work your butt off, but if you don't have the right foundation of dirt, it still might not be great. There needs to be a committee of people there to ensure the ground will be desirable from the first day they start hauling it in. I would love to point fingers at Stressman, but the WPRA needs to step up and have a rep there preventing this issue, rather than waiting for it to be bad and then complaining. It is obvious Stressman doesn't care about the wellbeing of the cowboys, nonetheless the cowgirls. Almost every rodeo I have been to, whether it is an open rodeo, amateur, or WPRA/PRCA, unless there is someone there who CARES about the barrel racers, many of the stock contractors or those putting on the rodeo don't...at.all. WPRA needs to send someone in there to ensure that it gets done right. It is their job to stand up for their members. They need to be proactive on this, rather than waiting for a six-figure barrel horse to have to be put down, or one of our favorite ladies to have to be carried out on a stretcher. | |
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| It doesn't matter if they have ran on crappier ground.. They put themselves through that to make it to the T & M and they get there and have to run on even crappier ground than they did all year? They are supposed to be going from broke at this rodeo and pushing their horses to run for that world championship.. Do you think they all did that every round?! No way! If it would have been a calf horse having trouble with the ground in the box you know they would have fixed that right away. These horses are worth ALOT and the barrel racing damg sure brings a lot of money into the NFR and Vegas. They need to do something before the WPRA gets fed up with the ground conditions and pulls the event and goes somewhere else for the barrel racing. They will see how far fixing the ground will go then. | |
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Location: Arkansas | Tatum2 - 2014-12-16 9:14 AM It doesn't matter if they have ran on crappier ground.. They put themselves through that to make it to the T & M and they get there and have to run on even crappier ground than they did all year? They are supposed to be going from broke at this rodeo and pushing their horses to run for that world championship.. Do you think they all did that every round?! No way! If it would have been a calf horse having trouble with the ground in the box you know they would have fixed that right away. These horses are worth ALOT and the barrel racing damg sure brings a lot of money into the NFR and Vegas. They need to do something before the WPRA gets fed up with the ground conditions and pulls the event and goes somewhere else for the barrel racing. They will see how far fixing the ground will go then.
Going to the NFR has always been on my bucket list, and I got to go last year.  I liked the whole Las Vegas/NFR Experience so much, I wanted to go again. After watching it this year, I changed my mind. Too painful!! I don't think I could watch another NFR with the barrel horses trying to stand up on such crappy groud. Those poor horses were doing their best to do their thing on ground that gave away under them.  I wish that every last horse and rider had gone in and LOPED their run. I'm just not willing to sit idley by and watch an animal try to make a run and break a leg to be destroyed.
Here's my take on it. The WPRA and barrel racing is an added feature. I don't feel that the PRCA wouldn't be too unhappy if there wasn't a barrel race. It's all about the roping, bronc riding and bull's.
Any one remember the big rubarb a few year's ago when the PRCA want'd to bring barrel racing in house? And how WPRA fought it? Make's one wonder if it was a PRCA barrel race if the ground would improve and if this just a way of telling the barrel racer...See, you could have had it so much better. Personally, I think they're still trying to get rid of barrel racing at the NFR. It's still a Good Ole Boy mentality.
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Nevertooold - 2014-12-15 9:26 PM I'll take what former and current NFR competitors have to say about the ground then some dude anyday.
Thanks for posting this, Clays Mom. 
Im with you sista! and I am saying PREACH ON Clays mom!!! I know you know what your talkin bout girl! | |
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Location: Montana | They need to hire the guys that bring in ground for the big cutting and reining futurities. I think they are called Kaiser (sp) or how about whoever brought in the ground for the American? | |
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ARGH! Thank you!
That ground was unacceptable! I'd be insanely ****ed off if I had to run on it. It's ridiculous that their payoff for proving they're the best all year is to run on absolutely crap.
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| SKM - 2014-12-16 8:40 AM Some of you need to pull your heads out if your ass. There is a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground. That ground was dangerous at times. Yes, during the regular season some rodeos are less than ideal ground wise. But no girl should have to go to a rodeo the size if the NFR and be forced to decide what horse is disposable. That ground is hauled in specifically for THAT rodeo. It should be perfect. Rodeo has enough problems without a horse breaking a leg on national TV because Vegas was too lazy to do what is in the best interest of the contestants. No other rodeo is 10 runs in a row. It's usually just one run on bad ground. Gheesh.
I agree 110X over! I would have been BESIDE myself with worry if I would have had to run on that crap. I just really don't see ANY excuse - really. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3 To Go - 2014-12-15 11:31 PM What about the ground they run on all year long to get there? There are so many more rodeos with ground way more treacherous than what they just got done running on and for way less money. At least everyone had the same handicap. Not like usual where the perfs are good and slack is bad or vice versa. No one thought it was bad enough to NOT run their good horse on (except for maybe Samantha who didn't run Pistoletta except for 2 rounds). There were several rodeos this year where I saw those girls climb off their good horse and run a colt because of the ground (Fallon and Trula both did at Red Lodge, MT). Didn't see Lisa get her backup or hardly anyone else. If the ground was truly that bad, why did all those girls risk their #1 horses night after night????
$238,756. That's the payout for 1st place in every round and 1st place in the average....that's the money at stake, plus the Top Gun Award, plus World Championships, plus sponsorships and endorsements.
EVERYTHING at the NFR should be the BEST. They pick the best stock for the other events. They pick the best announcers, bull fighters, pick up men, clowns, secretaries, judges, etc. The ground should be even from 1-15 for every event. The ground does not only affect the barrel racers. Rodeo horses are smart and will safety up, but they are the best because they are going hard and will tear themselves up.
The ground determined the World Champion in the barrel racing this year....and we should be much more upset about that than what she was wearing. She won fair and square, but on an even field those 10 days would have been completely different. I was really wanting to be out there this year, but after watching that night after night at home....I'm glad I wasn't. | |
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Location: Arkansas | rachellyn80 - 2014-12-16 11:26 AM 3 To Go - 2014-12-15 11:31 PM What about the ground they run on all year long to get there? There are so many more rodeos with ground way more treacherous than what they just got done running on and for way less money. At least everyone had the same handicap. Not like usual where the perfs are good and slack is bad or vice versa. No one thought it was bad enough to NOT run their good horse on (except for maybe Samantha who didn't run Pistoletta except for 2 rounds). There were several rodeos this year where I saw those girls climb off their good horse and run a colt because of the ground (Fallon and Trula both did at Red Lodge, MT). Didn't see Lisa get her backup or hardly anyone else. If the ground was truly that bad, why did all those girls risk their #1 horses night after night???? $238,756. That's the payout for 1st place in every round and 1st place in the average....that's the money at stake, plus the Top Gun Award, plus World Championships, plus sponsorships and endorsements.
EVERYTHING at the NFR should be the BEST. They pick the best stock for the other events. They pick the best announcers, bull fighters, pick up men, clowns, secretaries, judges, etc. The ground should be even from 1-15 for every event. The ground does not only affect the barrel racers. Rodeo horses are smart and will safety up, but they are the best because they are going hard and will tear themselves up.
The ground determined the World Champion in the barrel racing this year....and we should be much more upset about that than what she was wearing. She won fair and square, but on an even field those 10 days would have been completely different. I was really wanting to be out there this year, but after watching that night after night at home....I'm glad I wasn't.
And who bring's in the Best of the Best? It sure ain't the ground people. Who's in charge of that? Is it done on the cheap? Do they think it's good enough for who they are?
Running 2-3 times on crap ground might be ok, but not the number of times needed for the NFR.
One BB said it best, if she had a horse on loan or lease there , she'd be going and getting that horse while she still had a horse left.
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| The rough stock is determined by committees as I remember and essentially voted into place .... example - bareback horse of the year is voted on and always invited to buck out at the NFR. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | The ground crew should be voted on by committee, just like everything else. | |
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| 3 To Go - 2014-12-15 11:31 PM What about the ground they run on all year long to get there? There are so many more rodeos with ground way more treacherous than what they just got done running on and for way less money. At least everyone had the same handicap. Not like usual where the perfs are good and slack is bad or vice versa. No one thought it was bad enough to NOT run their good horse on (except for maybe Samantha who didn't run Pistoletta except for 2 rounds). There were several rodeos this year where I saw those girls climb off their good horse and run a colt because of the ground (Fallon and Trula both did at Red Lodge, MT). Didn't see Lisa get her backup or hardly anyone else. If the ground was truly that bad, why did all those girls risk their #1 horses night after night????
Maybe, Lisa, & others who had another horse to run & didn't switch, ran the horse they felt had the best shot at standing up.
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| rachellyn80 - 2014-12-16 11:26 AM 3 To Go - 2014-12-15 11:31 PM What about the ground they run on all year long to get there? There are so many more rodeos with ground way more treacherous than what they just got done running on and for way less money. At least everyone had the same handicap. Not like usual where the perfs are good and slack is bad or vice versa. No one thought it was bad enough to NOT run their good horse on (except for maybe Samantha who didn't run Pistoletta except for 2 rounds). There were several rodeos this year where I saw those girls climb off their good horse and run a colt because of the ground (Fallon and Trula both did at Red Lodge, MT). Didn't see Lisa get her backup or hardly anyone else. If the ground was truly that bad, why did all those girls risk their #1 horses night after night???? $238,756. That's the payout for 1st place in every round and 1st place in the average....that's the money at stake, plus the Top Gun Award, plus World Championships, plus sponsorships and endorsements.
EVERYTHING at the NFR should be the BEST. They pick the best stock for the other events. They pick the best announcers, bull fighters, pick up men, clowns, secretaries, judges, etc. The ground should be even from 1-15 for every event. The ground does not only affect the barrel racers. Rodeo horses are smart and will safety up, but they are the best because they are going hard and will tear themselves up.
The ground determined the World Champion in the barrel racing this year....and we should be much more upset about that than what she was wearing. She won fair and square, but on an even field those 10 days would have been completely different. I was really wanting to be out there this year, but after watching that night after night at home....I'm glad I wasn't.
I don't think this is a fair statement whatsoever.......the world champion was in the top 3 in the world prior to the NFR.......the chances of her winning the world on good ground are just as good as what she did in Vegas. Her horse slipped as much as any of them......including the down barrel, caused by a slip | |
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| Rodeo ground is never fair and never will be. I know people who have refused to lend their horses to people at the NFR this year because of the ground. It is just expected to be bad. I feel like the WPRA should start taking steps to make these more fair all across the board. The american is really stepping the game up and doing everything they can to give those horses great ground to run on. The NFR should do the same.
I know one thing the semi-finals at Ft. Worth this year will arguably be one of, if not the most exciting barrel races ever ran. Best of the best man or woman. You've got the top horses in the country from youth, open, rodeo, and people who don't have the money to go up and down the road to qualify. Can't wait to watch!!
Edited by astreakinchic 2014-12-16 2:07 PM
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Our daughter and I go every year and it was aggravating to pay for seats to watch the top horses in the nation struggle to stand up on bad ground. We go to the NFR to watch a barrel race..not to see who can stand up the best on crap ground. It was very disappointing to say the least.  | |
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| mouse - 2014-12-16 1:41 PM rachellyn80 - 2014-12-16 11:26 AM 3 To Go - 2014-12-15 11:31 PM What about the ground they run on all year long to get there? There are so many more rodeos with ground way more treacherous than what they just got done running on and for way less money. At least everyone had the same handicap. Not like usual where the perfs are good and slack is bad or vice versa. No one thought it was bad enough to NOT run their good horse on (except for maybe Samantha who didn't run Pistoletta except for 2 rounds). There were several rodeos this year where I saw those girls climb off their good horse and run a colt because of the ground (Fallon and Trula both did at Red Lodge, MT). Didn't see Lisa get her backup or hardly anyone else. If the ground was truly that bad, why did all those girls risk their #1 horses night after night???? $238,756. That's the payout for 1st place in every round and 1st place in the average....that's the money at stake, plus the Top Gun Award, plus World Championships, plus sponsorships and endorsements.
EVERYTHING at the NFR should be the BEST. They pick the best stock for the other events. They pick the best announcers, bull fighters, pick up men, clowns, secretaries, judges, etc. The ground should be even from 1-15 for every event. The ground does not only affect the barrel racers. Rodeo horses are smart and will safety up, but they are the best because they are going hard and will tear themselves up.
The ground determined the World Champion in the barrel racing this year....and we should be much more upset about that than what she was wearing. She won fair and square, but on an even field those 10 days would have been completely different. I was really wanting to be out there this year, but after watching that night after night at home....I'm glad I wasn't.
I agree, not a correct statement about the ground determined the WC. The top 3 going in were the top 3 going out just in a different order. | |
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Location: In my own little world | For anyone to say bad ground at the NFR is status quo because they run on crap ground all year long and should be use to it yada yada and accept it as being ok...it certainly sends a message to the committees. And that being why do they need to work at improving ground at their rodeos during the regular season because iffy ground is acceptable and done at the NFR as well. not much incentive there. Totaly unexceptable for a rodeo of that caliber. And if you think it is ok, all I can do is shake my head in disappointment.
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| If the expected standard is awesome jackpot ground @ NFR then yes it was crap for sure.
So if that is the standard expectation for this then there should be disappointment, however if not I would consider it pretty darn good rodeo ground | |
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| Texas Tornado - 2014-12-16 11:59 PM
If the expected standard is awesome jackpot ground @ NFR then yes it was crap for sure.
So if that is the standard expectation for this then there should be disappointment, however if not I would consider it pretty darn good rodeo ground
No, it wasn't even good rodeo ground. We rodeoed in 7 states last year. One rodeo stopped slack and redid the ground because it was so bad (Akron CO). Salt Lake was about like the NFR ground and those horses had heck on it. Ogden was about like the NFR. Rodeo ground has come a long way and most committee's are trying to make it better. If you think dangerous rodeo ground is the norm, you might want to broaden your horizons and go a little more because your knowledge is way off base. | |
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