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Location: Oklahoma | maybe it affects different horses in different ways. I say this because I know several people feed their horses creep pellets. my understanding that is feed for cattle. |
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Location: Georgia | Not all cattle feed contains monensin. It is an added medication. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | just great. this is what I feed, along with MoorGlo. About a year ago I got a moldy bag of MoorGlo. I took it back and my feed mill was very sorry and said the entire batch they got was bad, that everyone brought their bags back. That is not my feed mill's fault, that is ADMs fault. It's time for me to get more feed and now I'm scared to buy more. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | There is a remote possibility this can happen in any mill that is processing both cattle and horse feed thru the same equipment. All it takes is one sloppy clean up job between runs and contaminates/additives that are toxic horses can get into a batch of equine feed. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barlracr429 - 2015-01-01 7:58 PM just great. this is what I feed, along with MoorGlo. About a year ago I got a moldy bag of MoorGlo. I took it back and my feed mill was very sorry and said the entire batch they got was bad, that everyone brought their bags back. That is not my feed mill's fault, that is ADMs fault. It's time for me to get more feed and now I'm scared to buy more.
Most companies have different mills all around the country. The Triple Crown my sister gets doesn't look anything like the Triple Crown I use to get. She lives in Illinois and I live in Texas. Different mills.
Call ADM and ask what mill your feed would come from. This happened in South Carolina.
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Location: Florida | Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? This is the beef we eat. With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
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Location: Somewhere else | My friend lost 5 horses due to feed that had risein (?) in it. It was milled at Bartlett Mills and sold by cleveland feeds in our area. People from NC State came and took samples from all the bags & found that all the bags was contained this stuff. No cure for it. It was a terrible thing to watch her have to go through the lose of all her horses. I just wonder how many more died because of these feed. |
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Location: Oklahoma | southernbarrelhorses - 2015-01-01 6:57 PM This can happen with ANY horse feed that is mixed at a facility that does not use separate mixers for horse feed. I had 3 horses to colic and 1 die from Bartlett feed years ago. I had several horses who were not affected. The whole bag of feed is not necessarily tainted, therefore all don't get sick. Does anyone know how to find which horse feed company has strict quality control and does not mix cow feed in the same bins?
You would have to call the specific feed mill where your feed is manufactured in order to know if they are an ionophore free facility. Ionophores such as monensin (trade name Rumensin®) are commonly used in some cattle feeds but are deadly to horses. Here is a link to an article ( http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/ ) from Bluebonnet® explaining ionophores and the fact that their mill is an ionophore FREE facility (not just an ionophore "safe" facility).
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Vickie - 2015-01-02 3:24 AM Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? This is the beef we eat. With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
I wonder if it doesn't go 50/50. We are lucky and eat what we raise. All hormone and drug free. Most of our local ranchers do the same, but there are a couple that put the hormone things in the steer ears. I personally think it is stupid because we watch theirs sell and our own and they are every bit equal in price. IMO it is an added cost on their part and I hate the thought of my kids eating that crap in a school lunch/restaurant. We've gotten really picky on our groceries after having kids. I guess they mean more to us than we do to ourselves lol. We try and buy all natural USA raised chicken and pork and I read every single label to make sure it is a product, grown and packaged in the USA. Some is more expensive, but on canned fruit alone it is better quality.
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Location: In a happy place | While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n. |
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Location: Oklahoma | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses. |
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| Vickie - 2015-01-02 4:24 AM
Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? Â This is the beef we eat. Â With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
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Since cattle are ruminants---that would be cud chewing animals that have more than one stomach---they can eat and tolerate different foods etc from what horses can. Also, different antibiotics and other medicines are used on cattle that horses do not tolerate.
I have fed creep feed to my horses for a long time with no problem. I realize that ingredients can accidently be mixed into feed but most of the time feed companies generally expect the buyer to be educated about what they are buying. I feed range cubes as treats now but always buy all natural ones. |
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Location: In a happy place | EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.Â
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.Â
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now. |
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| sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:18 PM
EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.Â
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.Â
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now.
I feed range cubes to my horses for treats---their favorite---and have for years. Yes some do contain urea but I buy all natural cubes and always make sure that the feed store knows that is what I want. I buy feed in the same place and have for years. They know that I do not have cows. I also know people that feed range cubes to their horses as feed. Don't know why but they do. |
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Location: Florida.. | someone spoke to a rep and it was ALLIANCE not PATRIOT is where they found it in also someone called and the barn was feeding 2 other brands so .. i dunno |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | I copied this from Facebook. I hope that is ok. I did not include the posters name, but hope it clarifies and answers some questions. I will say that according to the first news article it clearly states the feed was sent to Michigan State to be checked. It was the ADM that contained the cattle additive. The fact that they own horses and board horses is probably one reason different feeds are fed to the horses there. This would explain why only certain horses were affected. Below is the Facebook post
I just spoke to my sales person on this issue. ADM did have someone go to the barn in question. They did take samples of the feed. It was not the Patriot feed products. It was the regular 12% product. That used to be called roundup. The barn also feeds three other name brands of feed. Purina, Seminole and I forgot the other one. Feed from Cordele GA does ship to that area. They were helpful to me and I feel satisfied that the feed I have patriot 12/10 is fine |
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Location: Georgia | Since this type of cross contamination has occurred with different brands in the past, you should contact your feed company ( whatever feed you use) and ask if the mill that supplies your store uses Monensin at their facility. If they use it, tell them you are changing feed companies! To watch your horses die because of something you fed them is truly heart breaking! This is the reply I received after posting this question on Nutrena Horse Feed Facebook page concerning my feed (Safe Choice):
" horse feed at all the TSC stores in your area (Hartwell, GA) comes out of our Montgomery Alabama feed mill. If you happen to purchase at an independent retailer from time to time, stores in GA get their feed from Montgomery as well, while stores in SC get theirs from our Wilson NC feed mill. In both cases, neither facility uses Rumensin (aka monensin) at all, which is what we are guessing you are concerned with given the recent case in Florida. If you need anything else, please let us know!" |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Southernarrelhorses, thank you so much about the information on Safe Choice. That is what we feed, and we buy from a TSC in SC. Also great advice about contacting your feed company. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Bibliafarm - 2015-01-02 9:24 PM
someone spoke to a rep and it was ALLIANCE not PATRIOT is where they found it in also someone called and the barn was feeding 2 other brands so .. i dunnoÂ
I have been feeding ADM products for over 8 years. I have never heard of them selling a feed called "Alliance". The name of the company is ADM Alliance Nutrition. I'm even searching their website now and can't find any "Alliance' feed. All I can find is the Patriot, GroStrong and other vit/min feeds and all the 'Glo' feeds. I'm posting this more of a question/educational since I've never heard of ADM 'Alliance" feed. |
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Location: Florida.. | barlracr429 - 2015-01-04 12:09 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-01-02 9:24 PM someone spoke to a rep and it was ALLIANCE not PATRIOT is where they found it in also someone called and the barn was feeding 2 other brands so .. i dunno I have been feeding ADM products for over 8 years. I have never heard of them selling a feed called "Alliance". The name of the company is ADM Alliance Nutrition. I'm even searching their website now and can't find any "Alliance' feed. All I can find is the Patriot, GroStrong and other vit/min feeds and all the 'Glo' feeds. I'm posting this more of a question/educational since I've never heard of ADM 'Alliance" feed.
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