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Location: Opelousas, LA | SG. - 2015-01-04 11:11 AM Personally I feed the unsweetened coconut flakes Tropical traditions.com You get fiber and oil in one Yes I have told winwillows this before I wish his product was coconut meal based and not rice bran Guess someday I need to formulate what I consider the ideal feed
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| Barnmom - 2015-01-04 3:13 PM
SG. - 2015-01-04 11:11 AM Personally I feed the unsweetened coconut flakes Tropical traditions.com You get fiber and oil in one Yes I have told winwillows this before I wish his product was coconut meal based and not rice bran Guess someday I need to formulate what I consider the ideal feed
I wish you would! What is your program now?
I second this request! The use of coconut flakes intrigues me. |
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Location: London Ontario | We feed our german shepherds turmeric and coconut oil but never thought I could give it to my horses as well! |
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Location: Willows, CA | There is real value from coconut meal or oil in the horses digestive system. We went through 17 formulation trials to establish the relationship of anti bacterial benefit of coconut oil, verses digestive efficiency. Too much traveling too far down the system becomes a negative. Complete digestion of the oil portion of whatever form of coconut you use needs to happen in the small intestine. If it gets to the hind gut, you can get a very negative effect on the beneficial bacteria, and a loss of ability to break down roughage effectively. We use coconut meal in Renew Gold for it's value in providing more than just oil to the formulation, but also fiber and a very good amino acid profile. The combination of that and food grade stabilized rice bran ( west coast grown only) and food grade stabilized flax, provide the most ideal combination of benefits without generating unintended roadblocks in the digestive system that would prevent complete use of the roughage. There is so much more to this than coconut oil, no matter how valuable it is. |
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| Barnmom - 2015-01-04 4:13 PM
SG. - 2015-01-04 11:11 AM Personally I feed the unsweetened coconut flakes Tropical traditions.com You get fiber and oil in one Yes I have told winwillows this before I wish his product was coconut meal based and not rice bran Guess someday I need to formulate what I consider the ideal feed
I wish you would! What is your program now?
How long does a gallon of flakes last you? |
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Location: USA | If horse are already on Renew Gold, would you feed additional coconut oil? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | GLP - 2015-01-05 1:30 PM
Barnmom - 2015-01-04 3:13 PM
SG. - 2015-01-04 11:11 AM Personally I feed the unsweetened coconut flakes Tropical traditions.com You get fiber and oil in one Yes I have told winwillows this before I wish his product was coconut meal based and not rice bran Guess someday I need to formulate what I consider the ideal feed
I wish you would! What is your program now?
I second this request! The use of coconut flakes intrigues me.
Me also because Rice Bran is actually something I should avoid with CC's issues... |
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Location: Willows, CA | If you feed straight coconut meal, flakes or other processed forms that include the fiber portion of the coconut there are several things that you need to consider. First, there are very few facilities in the world that produce coconut meal that you can rely on to be free of pathogens that effect horses. We have tested coconut meal from most coconut producing areas in the world and only accept product from two very specific plants that can produce both the quality and volume that we will accept. If you feed coconut oil alone I personally would only use expeller extracted oil. Much of the coconut oil brought to the US is solvent extracted. I would not feed that to my horses. If you are feeding coconut meal or flakes by themselves, you will also need to consider a source of additional lysine, as there is practically none in coconut. This is a limiting amino acid, meaning the body can't make energy without it. This is where the very unique relationship between food grade Stabilized Rice Bran and Food grade Coconut meal and food grade Flax comes in. They really were made for each other in terms of one product filling nutritional holes in the other when blended in the proper ratio. That is not criticize those who are willing to try to blend their own feed. But, for many, they have neither the time, experience with how one ingredient truly effects others, or access to the proper form and quality to make an effective and balanced feed. |
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Location: North Dakota | astreakinchic - 2015-01-05 11:07 AM
Barnmom - 2015-01-04 4:13 PM
SG. - 2015-01-04 11:11 AM Personally I feed the unsweetened coconut flakes Tropical traditions.com You get fiber and oil in one Yes I have told winwillows this before I wish his product was coconut meal based and not rice bran Guess someday I need to formulate what I consider the ideal feed
I wish you would! What is your program now?
How long does a gallon of flakes last you?
When I did the math, if you're feeding 1 cup a day, you'll be going through 2 gallons per horse per month. |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-01-05 2:34 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-01-05 11:07 AM
Barnmom - 2015-01-04 4:13 PM
SG. - 2015-01-04 11:11 AM Personally I feed the unsweetened coconut flakes Tropical traditions.com You get fiber and oil in one Yes I have told winwillows this before I wish his product was coconut meal based and not rice bran Guess someday I need to formulate what I consider the ideal feed
I wish you would! What is your program now?
How long does a gallon of flakes last you? When I did the math, if you're feeding 1 cup a day, you'll be going through 2 gallons per horse per month.
That'd be about $22 dollars off that site so it looks like it be about as cost effective as the cocosoy oil i'm feeding. |
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Location: Oklahoma | winwillows - 2015-01-05 1:34 PM If you feed straight coconut meal, flakes or other processed forms that include the fiber portion of the coconut there are several things that you need to consider. First, there are very few facilities in the world that produce coconut meal that you can rely on to be free of pathogens that effect horses. We have tested coconut meal from most coconut producing areas in the world and only accept product from two very specific plants that can produce both the quality and volume that we will accept. If you feed coconut oil alone I personally would only use expeller extracted oil. Much of the coconut oil brought to the US is solvent extracted. I would not feed that to my horses. If you are feeding coconut meal or flakes by themselves, you will also need to consider a source of additional lysine, as there is practically none in coconut. This is a limiting amino acid, meaning the body can't make energy without it. This is where the very unique relationship between food grade Stabilized Rice Bran and Food grade Coconut meal and food grade Flax comes in. They really were made for each other in terms of one product filling nutritional holes in the other when blended in the proper ratio. That is not criticize those who are willing to try to blend their own feed. But, for many, they have neither the time, experience with how one ingredient truly effects others, or access to the proper form and quality to make an effective and balanced feed.
I love the fact that you simply give the facts, and the reasoning behind your product. That you're not saying your way is the only right way, but explaining to those of us who may not know, the different options and what to expect from them. It is obvious that you have put a lot of time and research into the subject, and I really appreciate you sharing.
I'm all for trying different things if they can actually help my horses, but lord knows it's been a few years since I took a feed analysis class in college...and I don't remember enough to balance my own feeding program! lol.
Personally, I've had my horses on Renew Gold for about a year and a half now. I'm not 110% sold that its better than what they had before, but it cost me about the same, they look about the same, and I like that I'm not feeding them pounds and pounds of grain every day. So we will see. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | osu_barrelracer - 2015-01-06 12:15 PM
winwillows - 2015-01-05 1:34 PM If you feed straight coconut meal, flakes or other processed forms that include the fiber portion of the coconut there are several things that you need to consider. First, there are very few facilities in the world that produce coconut meal that you can rely on to be free of pathogens that effect horses. We have tested coconut meal from most coconut producing areas in the world and only accept product from two very specific plants that can produce both the quality and volume that we will accept. If you feed coconut oil alone I personally would only use expeller extracted oil. Much of the coconut oil brought to the US is solvent extracted. I would not feed that to my horses. If you are feeding coconut meal or flakes by themselves, you will also need to consider a source of additional lysine, as there is practically none in coconut. This is a limiting amino acid, meaning the body can't make energy without it. This is where the very unique relationship between food grade Stabilized Rice Bran and Food grade Coconut meal and food grade Flax comes in. They really were made for each other in terms of one product filling nutritional holes in the other when blended in the proper ratio. That is not criticize those who are willing to try to blend their own feed. But, for many, they have neither the time, experience with how one ingredient truly effects others, or access to the proper form and quality to make an effective and balanced feed.
I love the fact that you simply give the facts, and the reasoning behind your product. That you're not saying your way is the only right way, but explaining to those of us who may not know, the different options and what to expect from them. It is obvious that you have put a lot of time and research into the subject, and I really appreciate you sharing.
I'm all for trying different things if they can actually help my horses, but lord knows it's been a few years since I took a feed analysis class in college...and I don't remember enough to balance my own feeding program! lol.
Personally, I've had my horses on Renew Gold for about a year and a half now. I'm not 110% sold that its better than what they had before, but it cost me about the same, they look about the same, and I like that I'm not feeding them pounds and pounds of grain every day. So we will see.
And also why even though most sites suggest that I stay away from rice bran with CC that she is still on Renew Gold. Is it a perfect fit? NO, but it is the best fit we have found so far. |
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Location: WYOMING | I started my very food allergic mare on Renew Gold this evening. Hoping for good results in the morning. Its in addition to alfalfa and a ration balancer, neither of which she reacts negatively to.
And thank you Win for sharing you research on this thread!
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Location: Willows, CA | run n rate - 2015-01-05 4:21 PM
osu_barrelracer - 2015-01-06 12:15 PM
winwillows - 2015-01-05 1:34 PM If you feed straight coconut meal, flakes or other processed forms that include the fiber portion of the coconut there are several things that you need to consider. First, there are very few facilities in the world that produce coconut meal that you can rely on to be free of pathogens that effect horses. We have tested coconut meal from most coconut producing areas in the world and only accept product from two very specific plants that can produce both the quality and volume that we will accept. If you feed coconut oil alone I personally would only use expeller extracted oil. Much of the coconut oil brought to the US is solvent extracted. I would not feed that to my horses. If you are feeding coconut meal or flakes by themselves, you will also need to consider a source of additional lysine, as there is practically none in coconut. This is a limiting amino acid, meaning the body can't make energy without it. This is where the very unique relationship between food grade Stabilized Rice Bran and Food grade Coconut meal and food grade Flax comes in. They really were made for each other in terms of one product filling nutritional holes in the other when blended in the proper ratio. That is not criticize those who are willing to try to blend their own feed. But, for many, they have neither the time, experience with how one ingredient truly effects others, or access to the proper form and quality to make an effective and balanced feed.
I love the fact that you simply give the facts, and the reasoning behind your product. That you're not saying your way is the only right way, but explaining to those of us who may not know, the different options and what to expect from them. It is obvious that you have put a lot of time and research into the subject, and I really appreciate you sharing.
I'm all for trying different things if they can actually help my horses, but lord knows it's been a few years since I took a feed analysis class in college...and I don't remember enough to balance my own feeding program! lol.
Personally, I've had my horses on Renew Gold for about a year and a half now. I'm not 110% sold that its better than what they had before, but it cost me about the same, they look about the same, and I like that I'm not feeding them pounds and pounds of grain every day. So we will see.
And also why even though most sites suggest that I stay away from rice bran with CC that she is still on Renew Gold. Is it a perfect fit? NO, but it is the best fit we have found so far.
What is the issue with your horse, and the concern about her eating stabilized rice bran? Just curious, since I am the person who developed stabilized rice bran for use in horses. I may be able to help.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | She is the one with two small kidney stones in her left kidney and we had the bladder stone that was too large to pass removed....the herbs and ACV have helped either her pass a kidney stone and two of the small bladder stones that were there in the earlier ultrasounds.
Most nutritional sites in regards to stones in horses recommended I stay away from the rice bran.
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Location: Willows, CA | run n rate - 2015-01-05 5:19 PM
She is the one with two small kidney stones in her left kidney and we had the bladder stone that was too large to pass removed....the herbs and ACV have helped either her pass a kidney stone and two of the small bladder stones that were there in the earlier ultrasounds.
Most nutritional sites in regards to stones in horses recommended I stay away from the rice bran.
I am not sure why people keep grouping stabilized rice bran with wheat bran in dietary effect. While they are technically both "brans", nutritionally, a comparison of the two would be like comparing cardboard to a complete meal. We should not compare human effect to equine effect because the total diets of the two are, of course, vastly different. That being said, it has been clinically shown that cal/phos balanced stabilized rice bran is effective in limiting kidney stones in humans. Stabilized rice bran is a vital part of the Renew Gold formulation, and is a primary reason that the coconut meal is as effective in the stomach and small intestine as it is. The total daily intake of the balanced calcium and phosphorus ratios from Renew Gold is so small in comparison to the rest of the diet that you should have no issues as a result, even with very sensitive horses. I understand the reasoning that people use in making some of the internet criticism, but it is clear in the majority of those posts that they have very little understanding of the difference between food grade, cal/phos balanced, stabilized rice bran and raw rice bran, or wheat bran. It is kind of like saying " all hay is the same because it is hay". So much for my rant. Renew Gold should not generate concerns in a horse with kidney issues.
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Location: North Dakota | winwillows - 2015-01-05 1:34 PM If you feed straight coconut meal, flakes or other processed forms that include the fiber portion of the coconut there are several things that you need to consider. First, there are very few facilities in the world that produce coconut meal that you can rely on to be free of pathogens that effect horses. We have tested coconut meal from most coconut producing areas in the world and only accept product from two very specific plants that can produce both the quality and volume that we will accept. If you feed coconut oil alone I personally would only use expeller extracted oil. Much of the coconut oil brought to the US is solvent extracted. I would not feed that to my horses. If you are feeding coconut meal or flakes by themselves, you will also need to consider a source of additional lysine, as there is practically none in coconut. This is a limiting amino acid, meaning the body can't make energy without it. This is where the very unique relationship between food grade Stabilized Rice Bran and Food grade Coconut meal and food grade Flax comes in. They really were made for each other in terms of one product filling nutritional holes in the other when blended in the proper ratio. That is not criticize those who are willing to try to blend their own feed. But, for many, they have neither the time, experience with how one ingredient truly effects others, or access to the proper form and quality to make an effective and balanced feed.
Your feed sounds very interesting. Do you have any plans to sell it up north any time soon? I'm in North Dakota and at least when I checked the dealer list on your website I didn't see any dealers remotely close to me. |
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Location: Willows, CA | To tell you the truth, our dealer locator sucks. We are working on an upgrade now. We are trying to eliminate those stores on the list that do not keep Renew Gold in stock at all times. Your best bet is to pm or email us and we will get a regional rep involved and find or set up a store as close as possible. Just pm your contact information, and I will work on it for you.
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