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Location: South Dakota | FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it...
You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...
Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.
Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.
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| Well I can't find an official statement from the PRCA anywhere (I assume because they are so ashamed that they gave into PETA and other's agenda while screwing over the cowboys), but there are several news articles out stating that the rule did pass and it's a firestorm on social media from the ropers. I have heard the rule goes into effect in June. That also makes no sense to me. How can you drastically change the rules in the middle of the year? I do know they did not implement it at Denver or Ft Worth.
Yeah this is huge to tie-down ropers. Completely different kind of horses will be needed. Most top notch horses right now you wouldn't even be able to get a time on with this rule. |
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| ridejg - 2015-01-28 10:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it...
You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...
Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.
Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.
Allah is Arabic for God.... Allah in translation is God. Why wouldn't they be the same? |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 11:21 AM ridejg - 2015-01-28 10:19 AM FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it... You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...
Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.
Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.
Allah is Arabic for God.... Allah in translation is God. Why wouldn't they be the same?
they say in koran that christians are infidels their profet died jesus christ died on the cross and was resurrected
there is no comparison allah is not the christian god
i have no idea where u are coming from
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Location: South Dakota | FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:21 AM ridejg - 2015-01-28 10:19 AM FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it... You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...
Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.
Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.
Allah is Arabic for God.... Allah in translation is God. Why wouldn't they be the same?
They are not the same...it is difficult to explain, and maybe somebody else can do a better job of explaining, but the Christian faith is about faith in 1 God...not many different god's.
In the Old Testament...Abraham and Sarah were childless...God promised to them a child...and that they would have decendants that numbered like the stars in the night sky.....They were getting old and impatient, and tired of waiting on God to deliver His promise....so they went about and did it their own way. Abraham had a child with his servant Hagar, and they had a son named Ishmael...In His time...God delivered on His promise to Abraham and Sarah and they had their own son, Isaac...when this happened, Hagar was banished along with her son into the desert, and it is believed that was the root of the muslim religion. That is a very condensed version of the events, and it is complicated, but the history of the Christian faith is found in the Old Testament...heavy reading....The New Testament is about after Jesus was born.....telling us how to live, and how to have a home in Heaven after we die. |
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| I don't care what the prayer said, I don't want a Muslim saying a prayer anywhere publicly in the US. Their religion DOES NOT promote anything this country was based on. They are hate mongers. I am tired of trying so hard to not hurt peoples' feelings and this just was the straw that broke this camel's back. Ok, I feel better now. |
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| ok, I don't think this is a place to have this conversation since it is a lengthy one and I could ask a million questions, but thank you for trying.. Maybe because I don't understand, I don't see the problem with the prayer - I mean unless it was a prayer for harm to be done to those at the rodeo.. |
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Location: South Dakota | FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:40 AM ok, I don't think this is a place to have this conversation since it is a lengthy one and I could ask a million questions, but thank you for trying.. Maybe because I don't understand, I don't see the problem with the prayer - I mean unless it was a prayer for harm to be done to those at the rodeo..
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| Our country WAS FOUNDED on freedom of Religion. It WAS NOT FOUNDED on CHRISTIAN religion only. Yes the founding fathers were mostly Christian but we have no official religion in this country. WOuld you all of had issue with a CHRISTIAN prayer before the rodeo? Course not. Thats why I think there should be NO religious speaking before a rodeo. Fair is fair. If you want protection from God ( Whomever you believe in) say a prayer to yourself before you compete. Pray to the God you think will have the most influence on your performance and help you stay safe. |
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| I'm not upset at the religion. This is not about the religion. This is about the group of people who come from a different culture than ours, a culture with it's roots in Islam. That culture might not condone nor support the freedoms in which we have our past times and livings in rodeo.
I don't like the idea of having a Muslim leading our prayers at something that their religion and culture might not condone nor allow if America became a primarily Islamic state.
People from Islamic states threaten our government, our President, our lives as civilians, our way of life, and our freedoms.
I can't help but feel threatened by small evidences of our Christian based society and values being sanded away by political correctness.
I hope I never have to live in an Islamic based society. I can't help thinking they would probably behead me and post it to youtube. Probably wouldn't be beheaded by the 90%, but by the scary 10% that were invited in by the peaceful and passive usurpation of the 90% |
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| This country was founded on christian principles not muslim principles. We would be just as backward as they are now if it were. I don't want them to get a strong foothold over here. I love being a woman but if I had to live by their principles and rules I would absolutely hate it. |
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Location: East Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-01-28 10:46 AM
Our country WAS FOUNDED on freedom of Religion. It WAS NOT FOUNDED on CHRISTIAN religion only. Yes the founding fathers were mostly Christian but we have no official religion in this country. WOuld you all of had issue with a CHRISTIAN prayer before the rodeo? Course not. Thats why I think there should be NO religious speaking before a rodeo. Fair is fair. If you want protection from God ( Whomever you believe in) say a prayer to yourself before you compete. Pray to the God you think will have the most influence on your performance and help you stay safe.
Agreed..... I don't have a problem with someone of another religion saying a prayer. But along your statement that this country is about freedom of religion. Muslims want their religion to be the only religion and you are with them or against them. There is no middle ground, and they are willing to kill to make that happen. Many think that since they are not "religious" it does not affect them. Wrong.....it is join or die.
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Location: East Texas | I have been watching "Sons of Liberty" this week......our government/country is not far from what lead to revolution. |
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Location: Kentucky | CrossDRanch - 2015-01-28 12:00 PM I have been watching "Sons of Liberty" this week......our government/country is not far from what lead to revolution.
I've been watching some of this too. However, there is A LOT of inaccurate information in the show. History posted a disclaimer saying the show is based primarely on fiction. |
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Location: /ARKANSAS | I have a hard time with racism, the Japanese world war , in theory I don't like Japanese, Vietnam Asians, I in theory do not like them either, and I have noticed that even TV commercials are becoming mixed races. I hate that I feel this way but I grew up writing to guys in Vietnam. I always wanted to be a soldier and applied three times but I would think about the SACRIFICES I would have to make, family, a child and just couldn't. What I hate now is almost all the Doctors are middle eastern, and if I am on the phone with someone that can't speak English so I can understand, I become unglued! I have been known to scream " Speak English!"My Dad had a middle eastern ER Doctor who transferred him to a middle eastern cardiologist, who consulted a middle eastern cardiovascular surgeon, who turned him over to the hospitalist that was of course middle eastern. And with all that said, I have patients that are all these races and I don't think about it, and I don't hate them.. |
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Location: /ARKANSAS | I would be horrified to see a middle eastern Imam at a Rodeo saying a prayer!!! |
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Location: East Texas | Murphy - 2015-01-28 11:02 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-01-28 12:00 PM I have been watching "Sons of Liberty" this week......our government/country is not far from what lead to revolution.
I've been watching some of this too. However, there is A LOT of inaccurate information in the show. History posted a disclaimer saying the show is based primarely on fiction.
True, but most Americans have no idea of who these people were, the events that lead up to revolution, or much else outside of the Boston Tea Party.....even most don't know the how and why of that. Maybe if they watch this show, it will spark an interest, and they will look deeper into American History.
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Location: SE Louisiana | GLP - 2015-01-28 10:55 AM
This country was founded on christian principles not muslim principles. We would be just as backward as they are now if it were. I don't want them to get a strong foothold over here. I love being a woman but if I had to live by their principles and rules I would absolutely hate it.
This country was founded by people that believed in freedom to follow a religion of their choice. Just because there were more Christians does not mean it is the only belief allowed. Based on what you have said so far we might as well throw out all the Baptists because of the Phelps family.. Oh, and all the Mormons because of Joseph Smith. Who else do you want to evict from this "free" country? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CrossDRanch - 2015-01-28 11:12 AM Murphy - 2015-01-28 11:02 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-01-28 12:00 PM I have been watching "Sons of Liberty" this week......our government/country is not far from what lead to revolution. I've been watching some of this too. However, there is A LOT of inaccurate information in the show. History posted a disclaimer saying the show is based primarely on fiction. True, but most Americans have no idea of who these people were, the events that lead up to revolution, or much else outside of the Boston Tea Party.....even most don't know the how and why of that. Maybe if they watch this show, it will spark an interest, and they will look deeper into American History. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypiSFb-F5fA
IMO, we are actually past the point at which our forefathers revolted. We modern day peeps are soft. |
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| ridejg - 2015-01-28 10:19 AM FlyingJT - 2015-01-28 10:03 AM can someone explain what the problem is with it?? I mean Muslims believe in Allah, which is the Muslim name for God. They believe in one God who created the universe and has power over everything in it, isn't that close to what we "Christians" in America believe. I know there is a difference because of their belief to not worship any other besides Allah and the punishments they put forth if done. But I don't think that the true Muslim is one of evil intent, so I don't see what the harm would be in them saying a prayer. I'm not saying this to be flamed but if someone would give me an explanation that would be great... I am not a very spiritual person, no I don't know the bible, I am a person that hasn't made up my mind of what to believe but open to understand it... You cannot compare Allah to God...There is only 1 God...there is only 1 Trinity, The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost...
Jesus Christ is the Son of God..He was crucified and died on the cross to take on the sins of the world...and to forgive them. He rose again on the 3rd day and He gives us the great hope of eternal life...simply by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our lives...and having Faith in Him.
Christ offers the message of forgiveness...love..peace...Hope.
This is the problem I have with religion... How are to say your "GOD" is the one and only??? There are so many forms of religions in this world... Who is to say one is right over the other? How do we know one is correct over the other? We can't. We pick which one we choose to believe in and have faith in what we believe. The whole world is obviously NOT Christian.... so does that make everyone else in the world that isnt Christian, ignorant or just flat out going to hell? We must be tolerant to other people's beliefs... that is the only way we will stop all the hate going on in the world towards one an other. |
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