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Location: North Texas | notwhouthink - 2015-03-02 11:20 AM I call BS.. How long did it take to research for your story
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM
I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift.
There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift".
You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion.
My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean.
The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too.
My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis.
I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back.
So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!!
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| Actually Komet has referenced his dairy farm employment in Idaho and Missouri many times in the past on here.
I believe him when he says he has worked on dairy farms. Previous postings support it.
Do I think he knows everything about ALL cows. Nope. There are lots of people on here who own and operate dairy farms, commercial cow calf operations, stocker operations and registered operations. They are all knowledgeable and as owner operators, probably have a little more 'skin in the game'.
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Location: North Texas | komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!!
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Location: SE Louisiana | notwhouthink - 2015-03-02 11:20 AM
I call BS.. How long did it take to research for your story
I spent 12 years working on cattle dairies and 25 before that on a goat dairy, tho the last 2 years on cattle dairies I was a milk tester so I didn't actually get to work hands-on with the cows much, except 2 times when cows went down in milk parlors to milk fever and nobody was around to I.V. them to get them back up. I still carried a kit and could do it. Still have the kit in my truck behind the drivers seat, come to think of it. That's all the research I needed to fall back on. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM
komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!!
Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
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Location: North Texas | komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
So via Your Admission, You were mentally impaired during this time, were you not?
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated.
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komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated. Â
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Location: SE Louisiana | bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:27 PM
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komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated. Â
I am not an advocate for any kind of drug use and have not tried it myself. But, do you have any idea the number of people, successful and not who either do now or have in the past smoked pot in their spare time? You might be astounded.
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Location: North Texas | bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:27 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:24 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated.
I am not an advocate for any kind of drug use and have not tried it myself. But, do you have any idea the number of people, successful and not who either do now or have in the past smoked pot in their spare time? You might be astounded.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | mtcanchazer - 2015-03-01 8:28 PM Pretty interesting...of course I don't know the first thing about running a dairy...except that milk comes from cows. :)
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Location: hot, humid and dry...Gulf coast East of Houston.. | Douglas J Gordon - 2015-03-02 12:39 PM mtcanchazer - 2015-03-01 8:28 PM Pretty interesting...of course I don't know the first thing about running a dairy...except that milk comes from cows. :) I thought milk came from a plastic jug or carton!
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:24 PM
komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated. Â
You brave man, sit there behind your keyboard and call me a lair. Ya know, I used to have a teacher that liked to quote truisms. One of his favorites was "The guilty are ever suspicious."
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bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:27 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:24 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated.
 I am not an advocate for any kind of drug use and have not tried it myself. But, do you have any idea the number of people, successful and not who either do now or have in the past smoked pot in their spare time? You might be astounded.
 Perhaps I might be. But not in a safety sensitive position is there any margin for error due to drug abuse. And Food Handling is a Safety Sensitive position.
Every single load of milk from a dairy farm is tested for antibiotics and other contaminants before being unloaded into a silo at the plant. I'm not saying safe handling at the farm level isn't important, it is. You may be surprised at the people routinely responsible for the handling of milk at the farm level.
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Location: Choctaw, Oklahoma | shellyh1971 - 2015-03-02 12:41 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-03-02 12:39 PM mtcanchazer - 2015-03-01 8:28 PM Pretty interesting...of course I don't know the first thing about running a dairy...except that milk comes from cows. :)Â I thought milk came from a plastic jug or carton!
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Location: North Texas | komet. - 2015-03-02 12:42 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:24 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated.
You brave man, sit there behind your keyboard and call me a lair. Ya know, I used to have a teacher that liked to quite truisms. One of his favorites was "The guilty are ever suspicious."
I will call You a Liar to Your Face in Real Life. And I am prepared to deal with whatever comes of it. Are You? You have admitted to being a Liar, Drug Addict and Free Loader! Not me Sir, I am just making sure Folks know your History in regards to this thread. You landed in South Lousiana during Hurrican Katrina broke and needing help. Guess where You got it? The Matterns who own and run this Website! Your mouth has been extremely loose in your past on here and I am making **** good and sure your mouth is catching up with you! So YES! I would say ALL this to Your Face in Person! And like I have already stated I am ready to deal with anything I have said!
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | All I know about dairy farms is that you don't drink from the tap/water line that has water and clorox in it. I learned the hard way by a practical joke but I got the better end of the joke a week later with another kid. Funny thing is he smoked so he didn't taste it as soon as I did and he swallowed some and it was funny watching him gag and puke. | |
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Location: North Texas | bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:33 PM bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:27 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:24 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated.
I am not an advocate for any kind of drug use and have not tried it myself. But, do you have any idea the number of people, successful and not who either do now or have in the past smoked pot in their spare time? You might be astounded. Every single load of milk from a dairy farm is tested for antibiotics and other contaminants before being unloaded into a silo at the plant. I'm not saying safe handling at the farm level isn't important, it is. You may be surprised at the people routinely responsible for the handling of milk at the farm level. As in every facet of life, there is good and not quite as good.
I am and will continue to emphasize that Drug Abuse has absolutely no place in a Safety Sensitive Job. And Food Handling is Safety Senstitive. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:49 PM
bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:44 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:33 PM bennie1 - 2015-03-02 12:27 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:24 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2015-03-02 12:09 PM komet. - 2015-03-02 12:03 PM Bear - 2015-03-02 8:49 AM I obviously don't know the first thing about dairy farming, except that it's notoriously demanding. You worked 9 hour shifts and they were obviously stressful, but the thought that crossed my mind was, just imagine the kind of stress that smaller dairy farmers must endure. For them it's their life, their net worth, and their entire family security. They have roller coaster markets, over which they have no control, along with a narrow profit margin, and oftentimes a substantial amount of debt obligations. For many of them, their life exists in a virtual house of cards. Not meaning to belittle the stresses you had to experience, but at least you could usually walk away at the end of your shift. There's no such thing as a "shift" for many dairy farmers. Their entire life is one big huge "shift". You are quite right Scott... The first 7 years I spent on cattle dairies were in Missouri on small 100-250 cow farms where, as I said above, every life counted. The life of every cow, the life of every calf born mattered to the farmer trying to raise a family on his farm income. In in fact, I was coaxed out to Idaho by a big farmer in Idaho that used to come to our area every year to buy new springers. (bred heifers ) I worked 6 day weeks on those farms and did both milkings, freeing up the farmer to do the rest of the work like feeding and crop-work, A.I. work on most farms was done by those farmers but the first man I worked for sent me to a Select Sires 3-day class to learn to do this and I've done some since. Part of my job on most of those places was to sit and watch the cows twice a day to spot the cows in heat so they could be bred in a timely fashion. My first boss told me my most important job was to keep the state health inspector off his back. This entailed keeping the bacteria and the somatic cell counts down.as well as keeping the barn nice and clean. The somatic cell count in a tank usually starts coming up when cows with mastitis are milked into the tank so I had to watch close for those cows and pull them out to be treated. It was sometimes hard to keep it down tho because any sick cow would send it up, so I had to learn to spot sick animals just by looking at them. (not hard to do once you learn what to look for ) But any undue stress would send a count up as well. We got into a heat wave once that sent the counts through the roof but those never brought the inspector out because everyone else was having the same problem. Also, cows late or very early in their lactation would jump the count too. My boss told me to avoid the inspector when he would show up but I had other ideas .His name was Stanley Wilson and he had a large area to cover. He was a by-the-book sort of person and was not very popular among the farmers. After a few of his visits where we got poor reviews (even tho our counts were within guidelines, he thought them to be too high ) I caught him one day and told him I was new to this and asked if he had any ideas on ways to lower the counts. He seemed quite taken aback but he began to walk me through the barn pointing out little things that needed to be taken apart and hand cleaned on a regular basis. I started doing everything he advised and his next visit was to find out why our counts had dropped into the negative range suddenly. This was something he had only seen when farmers started pouring chlorine into the tank to kill bacteria. I told him I was simply doing what he had advised but I don't think he believed me because he kept coming back and pulling samples at random times and sniffing the inside of the tank, trying to catch the odor of chlorine. Finally he stopped showing up. I guess he finally decided to believe me because after I moved on to another farm and the bacteria counts dropped into the negative range he showed up and was checking things out when I walked into the barn. He spotted me and smiled and asked if I was working there now. I said yes. He never came back. So yes.... Small farms like that are where I got my training. Every life counted!! Technically I guess it was during. I smoked weed but the coke only lasted 3 years and that was in between the small farms and the big ones in Idaho.
Since per Your Admission, then there is no way in the world I would want you around any operation I had a hand in nor is there any reason to believe that Your is not fabricated.
 I am not an advocate for any kind of drug use and have not tried it myself. But, do you have any idea the number of people, successful and not who either do now or have in the past smoked pot in their spare time? You might be astounded.  Perhaps I might be. But not in a safety sensitive position is there any margin for error due to drug abuse. And Food Handling is a Safety Sensitive position. Every single load of milk from a dairy farm is tested for antibiotics and other contaminants before being unloaded into a silo at the plant. I'm not saying safe handling at the farm level isn't important, it is. You may be surprised at the people routinely responsible for the handling of milk at the farm level. As in every facet of life, there is good and not quite as good.
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