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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I think the question would be, did the barrels get set on the stakes right in Trula's drag? I've seen this happen plenty of times at barrel racers. |
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| The ground looked loose and powdery. A lot of the horses where triping and falling all over the place. Jackies horse almost went down.
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Location: Dubach, LA | I think the first five had a different pattern. Maybe a barrel was not set correctly on the stake. After the first fivve, times slowed. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | whoop z day z posted on the previous page that they did find the stake and used it so the pattern was the same. I would imagine the pattern is different than last year though. There were 13's last year. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CanCan - 2015-03-02 7:14 AM I think the first five had a different pattern. Maybe a barrel was not set correctly on the stake. After the first fivve, times slowed.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I also feel sorry for K.C. Jones.....he should have gotten part of the million.......but I guess 100K isn't too shabby but the rule that you have to win your event "outright"....SUCKS ! ! !
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| I think the barrels were the same this year. Lots of ladies went way wide around them. The ones that went to the shoot out had tighter barrels. I don't think that the barrels were the same as last year though. Was a much smaller pattern last year. |
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| daisycake123 - 2015-03-02 5:56 AM
The ground looked loose and powdery. A lot of the horses where triping and falling all over the place. Jackies horse almost went down.
He pulled a shoe going around the 1st barrel, on the run home you can see it come off in the alleyway. I have a DVR and I rewound it so I could be sure, and sure enough you see a shoe go flying off at the bottom left corner of the alleyway when she shuts down. |
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Location: NC | That alleyway scares the snot out of me. I think they need to do some rule changing & maybe figure a way to give them a little more room to stop.
Did anyone see Jackie's video of the 'warm up' area? They had enough room to walk slowly around some columns. It was tight! |
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Location: Down South | WrapSnap - 2015-03-01 11:59 PM ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win.
I don't know if what was broadcast on RFD TV yesterday was what we saw on the big TV's in the stadium or not. I "think" it was Silvano... what we saw on the screens in the stadium I saw a person I will assume was a judge walk up to the chute and say something. to him. This was after he had been sitting on and adjusting and adjusting and adjusting for what seemed like forever. |
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| theerebel - 2015-03-02 8:23 AM
daisycake123 - 2015-03-02 5:56 AM
The ground looked loose and powdery. A lot of the horses where triping and falling all over the place. Jackies horse almost went down.
He pulled a shoe going around the 1st barrel, on the run home you can see it come off in the alleyway. I have a DVR and I rewound it so I could be sure, and sure enough you see a shoe go flying off at the bottom left corner of the alleyway when she shuts down.
I thought that trip looked like he had grabbed a shoe. He is a phenomenal 4 year old. It will be exciting to watch his career going forward! |
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| Even though the ground looked much looser and not as good as the first drag, let's remember Michelle ran the fastest qualifying time, and she was a long long ways from being in the first drag |
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Location: Home on the Range | WrapSnap - 2015-03-02 12:59 AM ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win.
When was that rule implemented? After the obvious "soaking" of his bull yesterday? Because there obviously was No time limit in that Shoot Out Round & to move on to the next bull rider and give him longer to "soak" the bull is pure bull....! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | downngo - 2015-03-02 9:04 AM WrapSnap - 2015-03-02 12:59 AM ItsMe is correct. There has been a huge change in PBR rules because of this. They now have a chute timer and barring any crazy circumstances, you either get your butt to work, or get off. The main offenders have been Brazilians and Silvano is really bad about it. That being said, whether I agree with the fact that he was even allowed to ride tonight, or how he conducted himself in the Shootout, the man always seems to find a way to win. When was that rule implemented? After the obvious "soaking" of his bull yesterday? Because there obviously was No time limit in that Shoot Out Round & to move on to the next bull rider and give him longer to "soak" the bull is pure bull....!
Chute Clock: The Built Ford Tough Series implemented a new addition to the Professional Bull Riders’ original chute clock rule during the 2014 BFTS event in Nampa, Idaho.
A way for the PBR to protect the wellbeing of animal athletes, this rule has always been in place, allowing judges to disqualify a rider if he is taking too long to get ready in the chute. The existing rule that allows each rider time to prepare in the chute will now be enhanced visually to ensure consistency and include a countdown clock that is controlled by the back judge.
Each rider will have 60 seconds from the time he begins to pull his rope until he nods his head to begin the ride. The chute clock will stop the countdown when the judge starts the 8-second ride clock.
Regarding disqualification the rule states, “In the event that the chute clock countdown time expires before the rider nods his head, the judge has to make a determination to disqualify either the rider or the bull at the end of the allotted time. If the bull is disqualified then the rider will receive the first available re-ride bull. If the rider is disqualified, his ride for that round is over and he will receive a no score.” |
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| streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM
You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there.
With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I loved watching even if it was only the long goes... missed the finals....but my question and please this isn't a dig just curious....... Why do they call it "The American" when they have Brazilians and Candanian entered? If the contestant is/was born in USA or has changed his/her status for a (US) citizenship- that is an American. Money is the motive. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? |
I only got to see the finals. But it was great fun seeing them run. Lisa and Louie were great. But...that short "alley"...yikes! Hate to see them have to shut down that hard.
What aggravated the heck out of us was the fact that Silvano even got to ride in the finals. He got bucked off and that should have been that. But by some weird rule they apparently HAVE to fill 4 spots for the final. Just shouldn't happen that way IMO.
Then to have him messing around and soaking that bull so much...and winning it by a hair (or a finger I guess)...just didn't sit right with me. He would have been DQ'd if they had the clock running in the chute. How he managed to still win the whole thing just makes it seem like a farce.
I enjoyed the American. It was fun to watch and it's an interesting format. What I didn't like was the lack of certainty of all the rules. The confusion. When the Steer Wrestling guys tied...is seemed like no one knew what should happen there. And he sure thought he had won a portion of the million. Feel kinda bad for him that he didn't in the end due to some odd rule. |
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| Don't they use the PBR rules for the bull riding at The American? Wouldn't they have put Silvano on the clock if they thought he wasn't justified in taking as long as he did? The announcers even said the bull was hard to get out on. |
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| Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch. |
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Location: Texas | river runner - 2015-03-02 10:27 AM Don't they use the PBR rules for the bull riding at The American? Wouldn't they have put Silvano on the clock if they thought he wasn't justified in taking as long as he did? The announcers even said the bull was hard to get out on.
Well that doesn't mean that was what was happening... I doubt any announcer would say "Hang on folks, this guy is cheating.. may take a little bit." They have to keep talking and keep the viewers happy and let judges deal with all the dirty work. Even if they are blowing smoke which we have seen over and over at the NFR when they just make stuff up because that is what they feel like saying right then and non horse people wouldn't know any better.
Whether the guy was doing something wrong, I have no clue. I couldn't watch it and even then don't know enough about bull riding. Just my 2 cents on announcers and how just because they say it doesn't mean it is the gospel. |
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