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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:39 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-03-05 8:02 AM I just watched the latest episode of "Razor's Edge" featuring Joleen Montgomery and Ryan Pedone. Both agreed about buying proven bloodlines, that they can see/feel a difference in "barrrel bred" colts but both talked about the how the momma is much more important than the stud. Correct me if im wrong but I thought they were handed prospects that already show great potential, not any run of the mill ta fame horse. So the people they ride for have 100+ of colts per year and send the great few to the great trainers, so good luck if you are going to breed that super special true winner with one try per year.
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| Itsme - 2015-03-05 8:39 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-03-05 8:02 AM I just watched the latest episode of "Razor's Edge" featuring Joleen Montgomery and Ryan Pedone. Both agreed about buying proven bloodlines, that they can see/feel a difference in "barrrel bred" colts but both talked about the how the momma is much more important than the stud. Correct me if im wrong but I thought they were handed prospects that already show great potential, not any run of the mill ta fame horse. So the people they ride for have 100+ of colts per year and send the great few to the great trainers, so good luck if you are going to breed that super special true winner with one try per year.
Yes, they are given the best prospects form breeders who can afford to breed in numbers to get those special horses- my point was they consistently see that the great ones come from great momma's. Obviously the more you breed and put babies on the ground the more chances you have of finding that winner. I don't begrude breeders who have the $$ to have a huge program. I would have one of their rejects in my barn- I can't ride a top horse so don't need one but I do like a well bred nice looking horse and I can afford to buy one if I wanted too. As they said on the show, the barrel horse is becoming specialized and you see it in the faster times, why we are seeing mid 16's on a standard. If you can produce a better product, why not?? |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-03-05 8:53 AM
Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:39 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-03-05 8:02 AM I just watched the latest episode of "Razor's Edge" featuring Joleen Montgomery and Ryan Pedone. Both agreed about buying proven bloodlines, that they can see/feel a difference in "barrrel bred" colts but both talked about the how the momma is much more important than the stud. Correct me if im wrong but I thought they were handed prospects that already show great potential, not any run of the mill ta fame horse. So the people they ride for have 100+ of colts per year and send the great few to the great trainers, so good luck if you are going to breed that super special true winner with one try per year.
As long as you have a check book, I am sure they would take your money.
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| I think it is easy to get caught up in comparing yourself with others way to easily, and that is just a set up for failure. Not everyone needs an own son of Dash Ta Fame that can set new arena records everywhere it runs... Which is good, because it is not going to happen for the vast majority. Think to yourself, what would you even do with a horse like that, even if you did have one. Sometimes what seems to be all rainbows and unicorns two or three times on national television is not all that it is cracked up to be. I know myself, as a person who has won my fair share and has always been blessed with horses that are competitive on my level, even if I did come across a NFR caliber horse in my lifetime, I would not be able to quit my job and hit the road, leaving my family and everything else behind. I would have to sell everything I owned to fit the bill for a "run" at it, and that is not something that I, or very many people are willing to do (no offense to those who are). That is just not a realistic for me. I have many good friends who have made the NFR or have gave it a dang good effort and many of them talk about how lonely it can be on the road or what they have sacrificed or the people they have lost in the process. For them, they had to decide if that is worth their dreams and goals. What I am saying is maybe think a little harder about what your goals may be. I was once a little girl who said I want to make the NFR someday, but now after knowing a little more about the actual hard work and sacrifices that it takes, I am more along the lines of I hope to have a highly successful training program. I have found out that I enjoy training young horses and watching them progress, ten-fold more than I enjoy winning rodeo checks (although the money is always nice). Some of my best memories and proudest moments are when complete strangers come up and compliment a horse that I have started from scratch or my riding abilities, rather than a time when I am presented with an award of some kind. Now, I would not expect everyone to be exactly like myself, but I just think a good lesson is that you need to learn more about yourself and what truly makes you happy before setting extremely hard goals for yourself. Once you find your true passion, then you can set goals, establish a strong work ethic, which you will not stray from because you are so passionate about it, and find success :) |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 8:49 AM
I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream.
BS! Were being led to believe you need a ta fame horse when in fact you need to weed through a ton of horses of any breed to get THE ONE, some people have the weeding out part done for them. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Yes it is expensive to have the dreams we have. I have a nice stud (in my eyes) who is so versatile. He has decent bloodlines, but I can't afford to promote him like he deserves. He is expecting his first foal in 2015 and it will be out a mare I don't even own. I can't afford to buy high priced horses, so I buy mine as weanlings and yearlings and I start them myself under saddle. There are ways to do things. I've offered someone a partnership on a mare I have that I feel can produce some awesome foals. (She knows who she is  ) I feel there are ways to get things done if you want them bad enough. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Itsme - 2015-03-05 10:03 AM 3canstorun - 2015-03-05 8:53 AM Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:39 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-03-05 8:02 AM I just watched the latest episode of "Razor's Edge" featuring Joleen Montgomery and Ryan Pedone. Both agreed about buying proven bloodlines, that they can see/feel a difference in "barrrel bred" colts but both talked about the how the momma is much more important than the stud. Correct me if im wrong but I thought they were handed prospects that already show great potential, not any run of the mill ta fame horse. So the people they ride for have 100+ of colts per year and send the great few to the great trainers, so good luck if you are going to breed that super special true winner with one try per year. As long as you have a check book, I am sure they would take your money. Who would?
Any of the top riders you were talking about. Call them up. Jolene herself is really quite friendly. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | TwistedK - 2015-03-06 8:17 AM Yes it is expensive to have the dreams we have. I have a nice stud (in my eyes ) who is so versatile. He has decent bloodlines, but I can't afford to promote him like he deserves. He is expecting his first foal in 2015 and it will be out a mare I don't even own. I can't afford to buy high priced horses, so I buy mine as weanlings and yearlings and I start them myself under saddle. There are ways to do things. I've offered someone a partnership on a mare I have that I feel can produce some awesome foals. (She knows who she is ) I feel there are ways to get things done if you want them bad enough.
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Location: Oklahoma | Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:05 AM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 8:49 AM
I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream.
BS! Were being led to believe you need a ta fame horse when in fact you need to weed through a ton of horses of any breed to get THE ONE, some people have the weeding out part done for them.
We are not being led to believe that. I'm sorry you are so unhappy in your horses but many of us work with what we can afford. |
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Location: Kansas | Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:05 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 8:49 AM I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream. BS! Were being led to believe you need a ta fame horse when in fact you need to weed through a ton of horses of any breed to get THE ONE, some people have the weeding out part done for them.
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Location: Kentucky | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 10:39 AM Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:05 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 8:49 AM I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream. BS! Were being led to believe you need a ta fame horse when in fact you need to weed through a ton of horses of any breed to get THE ONE, some people have the weeding out part done for them.
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| Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:05 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 8:49 AM I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream. BS! Were being led to believe you need a ta fame horse when in fact you need to weed through a ton of horses of any breed to get THE ONE, some people have the weeding out part done for them.
So what they have the weeding out done for them? They are matching the best horses with the best riders, seems like a good plan to me.
We are not led to believe we have to have a name brand. I am capable of thinking for myself.
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Location: The edge of no where | Good grief! It's been a while since I've seen so much b8tching and whining on a thread.....with that attitude, then no, you won't ever win. Go watch Amberley Snyder's videos for someone that is an overcomer. Get a freakin plan and go to work. Not everyone starts out with money. We bust our ass at work, at home, at the gym....if you want it bad enough, then make it happen. |
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Location: Florida.. | MS2011 - 2015-03-05 11:00 AM Good grief! It's been a while since I've seen so much b8tching and whining on a thread.....with that attitude, then no, you won't ever win. Go watch Amberley Snyder's videos for someone that is an overcomer. Get a freakin plan and go to work. Not everyone starts out with money. We bust our ass at work, at home, at the gym....if you want it bad enough, then make it happen.
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| I love Space Cowboys post. Sure we all initially dream of the NFR. I ride a gelding that we got for less than $500, my husband and I trained for roping and barrels. He has paid for himself MANY times over in the roping pen at all levels. I stole him back to run barrels at the amateur rodeos. I know I am not going to beat that $80,000 circut finalist horse but I am being competitive and am not swimming in debt, or out a ton of money on the cost of a mount. I go to my Mon-Friday job, am able to pay all of my bills, spend time with my husband and little girl. If someone brought me an NFR caliber horse, and the rig and told me to take off I would probably decline. I am all about chasing your dreams but for me personally I am living mine right where I am. I am competing within my means and having a great time to boot. :) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | scwebster - 2015-03-05 10:11 AM I love Space Cowboys post. Sure we all initially dream of the NFR. I ride a gelding that we got for less than $500, my husband and I trained for roping and barrels. He has paid for himself MANY times over in the roping pen at all levels. I stole him back to run barrels at the amateur rodeos. I know I am not going to beat that $80,000 circut finalist horse but I am being competitive and am not swimming in debt, or out a ton of money on the cost of a mount. I go to my Mon-Friday job, am able to pay all of my bills, spend time with my husband and little girl. If someone brought me an NFR caliber horse, and the rig and told me to take off I would probably decline. I am all about chasing your dreams but for me personally I am living mine right where I am. I am competing within my means and having a great time to boot. :)
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| Itsme - 2015-03-05 9:05 AM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-05 8:49 AM
I'm right there with you. I have a big dream, and unforunately being a single mom with a psycho ex-baby daddy....I will never be able to accomplish that dream.
BS! Were being led to believe you need a ta fame horse when in fact you need to weed through a ton of horses of any breed to get THE ONE, some people have the weeding out part done for them.
Part of the weeding out process is to start with bloodlines and a physical type you mesh with. Whether those bloodlines are 'in fashion' or not. I happen to mesh better with horses that are turny, I have recently started riding some FWF grand babies that fit me to a tee. So that is what I gravitate toward. That's not to say I won't try something else for the right price. I keep my options open. But I am getting old, I want to go with bloodlines and physical type that I have had good luck with before. Saves me time and money (and frustration)in the long run. |
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| Just from personal experience, I don't breed horses, but I'm very close with someone that does breed barrel horses, I think it just depends on the combination of the type of horse you're looking for. Personally, I do not get along with all run bred horses, I've had one and I never had success with him. I personally like cowy, ratey horses, so therefore I have chose to continue to stick with horses that are half cow/run, which all come from my good friends breeding program. She has two studs, one all run off the track, and one that is a grandson of Doc O Lena. ALL of her proven babies have came from the combination of her Doc O Lena stud crossed with all running bred mares. But, none of them possess the characteristics of the mare, they all tend to take after their daddy. But it's to each it's own, Ryan Pedone and Jolene Montgomery, along with every other futurity/derby/open rider that is given horses to jockey, tend to ride all run bred horses. Although, they say to go for the mare's success, whose to say that the offspring with be anything like the mother? Just using my friends horses as an example, her proven horses come from cow breeding and they take after their dad. Another example is PG Dry Fire, look at his babies, they tend to take after the stud. Also, Streak of Fling, almost guaranteed, if you watch a horse out of Streak of Fling, it's going to be wicked fast and sink it's but into the ground and turn a barrel. I think it just depends! Maybe we should have some breeders comment on this and see how they feel!
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