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| oija - 2015-03-15 6:33 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-15 12:17 PM
Colloidal silver, I have used it and it has worked.
I would be looking at other reasons why it isn't healing, such as nutrition. To promote healing horses need more protein. I use Equitop Myoplast and my injured horses recovered faster then both the vet and I thought.
I would also be looking at the infection, if there is any. If there is signs of infection, I would be checking temp to ensure it is not systemic, I may even pull blood to see what is going on. My vet always leaves me with blood tubes so I can pull the blood then I take it to the local vet who will run it for me and give me a copy of the report, so then I can discuss with my vet on what to do.
Oral or injectable antibiotics may be in need, as infected tissue will continue to die and not heal.
I would also look at the wound itself, is it dry and cracking, is it too moist (musing of infection) or is it perfect.
If it is dry and cracking, I will wash with chlorahexadine scrub, then I will apply an ointment that is lanolin based. I have had good luck with zinc oxide cream (stuff for baby's bottoms), under woods, I don't use furscin as it has been shown to promote bacteria growth.
If it is too moist, I will clean with the chlorahexadine scrub, then I may take a swab if I suspect infection, then I will spray apple cider vinegar on the wound and sprinkle black pepper into the wound.
Vetrycin, I am not sold on it, as if you read the ingredients, there is nothing I see to back up their claims. Most bacteria is actually removed by physical scrubbing, not by the antibacterial salves used
Are furscin and furazone the same thing? I was assuming so. I would be interested in the study where it promotes bacterial growth. : )
I don't have access to pub med, if you do you should be able to access the literature, or ask your vet for it. My vet showed me the information about 7 yrs ago and I can't remember the title of the article.
I am also not at home to look up in my drug books for specific information.
Also the study say it CAN promote bacterial growth, it is a possibility not an absolute, it all depends on what bacterium is growing, this is where the op should do a cultures swab before switching antibiotics, as stronger antibiotics may not work on the bacterium causing the infection.
A culture could save the op money in the long run |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | streakysox - 2015-03-15 5:53 PM
TessBelle - 2015-03-15 5:49 PM
streakysox - 2015-03-15 5:32 PM
readytorodeo - 2015-03-15 4:36 PM
Vetrycin . Spray on twice a day.
Vetericyn is definitely a good product. Usually heals minor stuff in a few days.
I've been alternating vetracyn and furazone every other day. Like I'll use vetracyn morning and night and the next day furazone morning and nigh. Also been mixing in wonder dust.
There is infection. She has been through 3 rounds of antibiotics. Going to get her stronger oral antibiotics in the morning. We're look now more into was there more to it than what we saw. Like is there something in it that wasn't visable.
I guess it is time for Underwood's.......be sure you follow directions.
My vet sells Underwoods. She said she didn't think it would do anything for it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Where is the cut located? Is there an inadequately drained, infected hematoma or abscess? Is there a pocket that keeps filling with pus? Is there dead tissue present?
Here is a list of things that lead to poor wound healing:
-poor circulation....in other words, is the blood supply to the wound edges good?
- poor nutrition....generally this has to be severe. Peobably not a factor here.
- presence of foreign body, like wood slivers, dirt, gravel, etc....
- Diabetes....probably unlikely here.
Other things like underlying cancer, etc...., unlikely
I think most people make wound care needlessly complicated. Wounds close either from suture ("primary intention") or via a process called "secondary intention". Secondary intention is when you leave the wound open to heal on it's own. The goal should be to keep as much dead tissue, pus, and debris from the exposed aurface of the wound. That's called "debridement".
You debride a wound a number of ways: soap and water "hydrotherapy", is probably the best way. Surgical soap is nice, but not imperative. Bacteriocidal soaps like liquid Dial work well. You can work it into the wound with your hands, a soft brush, etc.... Hose the hell out of it. Most dressings and wraps are a waste of time, unless your goal is to keep them on long enough for the debris to stick to it as it dries.....so called wet-to-dry dressings. When the wound becomes beefy red, you are getting granulation tissue, and that is good, vascularized, fibrotic tissue.
Topical antibiotics, potients, goops, and creams are not as important as good old fashioned soap and water...."elbow grease". In fact, some things people used can actually cause healthy tissue to die. Washing a wound and spraying it out 3 times a day is usually all you really need to do, initially, assuming there's no foreign body, etc.... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Another thing people need to understand is you cannot render an open wound "infection free". It's impossible. The OP says it's "infected". They all are. IV antibiotics are a waste of money, unless you have a reason to believe the horse is septic. |
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| The lady that owned the feed store near here carried it. Her husband had some kind of wound on his arm. It was bad enough plus the fact that it would not heal caused him to have to go to the wound center at the hospital. They could not seem to get it healed up. He decided to try Underwood's. That did the trick and the wound center was amazed. I think they were just as amazed that he used horse medicine. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Bear - 2015-03-15 11:22 PM
Another thing people need to understand is you cannot render an open wound "infection free". It's impossible. The OP says it's "infected". They all are. IV antibiotics are a waste of money, unless you have a reason to believe the horse is septic.
It's on her ankle. It appears that she stuck something in it in a downward angle. Like it went in and down towards her hoof.
Infected as in it has pus drainkng. |
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Location: MS | Definitely try Underwoods. I've used it on pretty bad cuts.
Always heals fast and without proud flesh and most of the time no scar. |
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| TessBelle - 2015-03-15 4:49 PM
streakysox - 2015-03-15 5:32 PM
readytorodeo - 2015-03-15 4:36 PM
Vetrycin . Spray on twice a day.
Vetericyn is definitely a good product. Usually heals minor stuff in a few days.
I've been alternating vetracyn and furazone every other day. Like I'll use vetracyn morning and night and the next day furazone morning and nigh. Also been mixing in wonder dust.
There is infection. She has been through 3 rounds of antibiotics. Going to get her stronger oral antibiotics in the morning. We're look now more into was there more to it than what we saw. Like is there something in it that wasn't visable.
Furazone has been proven to actual cause longer healing time by about 20%. At this point, I'd probably get it culchured (sp) to see exactly what you are dealing with. That way you won't be pumping antibiotics into her that might not work.With wounds, keeping the optimal moisture level is what heals the fastest. They make a special foam pad for horses that is similar to what they use for bed sores in diabetics. Wrapping with that pad works better than any cream, ointment or spray. |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | SKM - 2015-03-16 7:19 AM TessBelle - 2015-03-15 4:49 PM streakysox - 2015-03-15 5:32 PM readytorodeo - 2015-03-15 4:36 PM Vetrycin . Spray on twice a day. Vetericyn is definitely a good product. Usually heals minor stuff in a few days. I've been alternating vetracyn and furazone every other day. Like I'll use vetracyn morning and night and the next day furazone morning and nigh. Also been mixing in wonder dust. There is infection. She has been through 3 rounds of antibiotics. Going to get her stronger oral antibiotics in the morning. We're look now more into was there more to it than what we saw. Like is there something in it that wasn't visable. Furazone has been proven to actual cause longer healing time by about 20%. At this point, I'd probably get it culchured (sp ) to see exactly what you are dealing with. That way you won't be pumping antibiotics into her that might not work.With wounds, keeping the optimal moisture level is what heals the fastest. They make a special foam pad for horses that is similar to what they use for bed sores in diabetics. Wrapping with that pad works better than any cream, ointment or spray.
Since it has been going on for some time, I agree with getting it cultured to see what you are dealing with and get the right antibiotics for that.
What has worked for me in the past is a sugardine paste (betodine and sugar). I had to use it on a nasty barb wire cut at the hairline of the hoof. Hard place to wrap as well but I taped that crap out of it and left it for about 4 days. Stunk to high heaven when I took it off. I would leave it off for a few days and on those days I would put ACV and pack with black pepper. Worked wonders, horses doesn't have a scar and no proud flesh at all.
Sugardine paste is my go to when stuff like this happens.
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| I've been using this Zymox® Topical Cream and Topical Spray, granted it's made for cats and dogs but so far working great on my gelding that cut his leg and required sutures. Vetericyn is worthless and an expensive waste of money. I used the Zymox on my cat that had leg amputation due to cancer. In one difficult place where the sutures met up from 2 different direction's of incision it got infected and opened up. I couldn't get anything to help with the infection or healing until I started using the Zymox, it did an amazing job and quickly. So when my gelding injured himself I decided to use it on him, so far so good. |
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Location: west of East Texas | Those that use Underwood's... how do you put a light dusting of baking powder on a the wound? |
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| chasendacash - 2015-03-17 11:27 PM
Those that use Underwood's... how do you put a light dusting of baking powder on a the wound?
I buy the very large size baking powder at Sam or the store brand to get the cheapest. I put a whole bunch in my hand and cup my hand over the wound. If the wound is large I take a handful and throw it on there. Mine is usually more than a light dusting! |
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Location: Texas | You can buy an empty bottle at Walmart or Sally Beauty supply that is intended for mixing & applying hair color. Its got a pointy lid. If you put baking powder in it & it works great to "puff out" the baking powder & direct it onto the wound. I have also used this method for applying pyrethrin powder into horse ears. |
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| My only suggestion is to not use any salves below the knee for wounds. No furazone, no underwoods, etc. Stay with hydrotherapy, oral antibiotics, Gentamicin/Betamethasone - GenOne spray, and an aluminum spray bandage. |
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Location: Mississippi | UTAHCANCHASER - 2015-03-16 4:49 AM SKM - 2015-03-16 7:19 AM TessBelle - 2015-03-15 4:49 PM streakysox - 2015-03-15 5:32 PM readytorodeo - 2015-03-15 4:36 PM Vetrycin . Spray on twice a day. Vetericyn is definitely a good product. Usually heals minor stuff in a few days. I've been alternating vetracyn and furazone every other day. Like I'll use vetracyn morning and night and the next day furazone morning and nigh. Also been mixing in wonder dust. There is infection. She has been through 3 rounds of antibiotics. Going to get her stronger oral antibiotics in the morning. We're look now more into was there more to it than what we saw. Like is there something in it that wasn't visable. Furazone has been proven to actual cause longer healing time by about 20%. At this point, I'd probably get it culchured (sp ) to see exactly what you are dealing with. That way you won't be pumping antibiotics into her that might not work.With wounds, keeping the optimal moisture level is what heals the fastest. They make a special foam pad for horses that is similar to what they use for bed sores in diabetics. Wrapping with that pad works better than any cream, ointment or spray.
What has worked for me in the past is a sugardine paste (betodine and sugar). I had to use it on a nasty barb wire cut at the hairline of the hoof. Hard place to wrap as well but I taped that crap out of it and left it for about 4 days. Stunk to high heaven when I took it off. I would leave it off for a few days and on those days I would put ACV and pack with black pepper. Worked wonders, horses doesn't have a scar and no proud flesh at all.
Sugardine paste is my go to when stuff like this happens.
I have to agree with this. I had a couple of horses get in a kicking match. Couldn't stitch the cuts where they were (also nothing to stitch to). I used the sugardine -one part oil (vegetable), two parts sugar- I did not mix in the betadine - I washed and hydro'd the wound, then put on betadine, then put the sugar/oil mixture on and wrapped it. After they had healed, you couldn't even tell they had been cut. I have also used it with no betadine if I didn't have any. It's good stuff.
My husband actually met a doctor who worked at one of the burn centers here that wrote a paper on this as a treatment for bad burns. Very interesting. His theory was "how many mechanics do you ever see with wound infections"? Theory is that they work in oil so much (and keep cuts on their hands) that the oil actually helps keep infection away. The sugar prevents development of proud flesh. I have definitely seen results. Next time you burn your hand, etc., mix up some and put on the burn - pain will go away pretty quickly. |
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Location: NC | Underwoods.
I can't begin to even count the number of injuries and cuts I've healed with this stuff. I've seen it work wonders with my own eyes and everyone I've told to try it has absolutely loved it. I have yet to hear a bad story about anything treated with Underwoods.
No hosing. No wrapping. Just spray. Sprinkle. And repeat as needed. That's it. |
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Location: Nowhere Special | Whiskey Wash.. Fifth of whiskey, gallon of distilled water, and a pound of salt peter.. cut all ingredients in half and mix in the gallon jug, shake well and apply with large syringe several times a day.. It grows flesh, keeps out infection and proud flesh.. I have used everything mentioned and nothing works as good as this stuff.. I have used it on myself as well, it BURNS, but it works.. Once you use this you won't ever buy anything off the shelf again for cuts or burns. |
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