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| NO chances are not in your favor to get a good horse for either discipline. Kind of like breeding a weeny dog and lab thinking you'll get a duck dog that can dig for gophers. May happen but do you wan that big of gopher dog... and HOLES. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | If you're breeding to sell, no because of the sterotypes people believe on certain bloodlines.If I were going to breed I would breed to a paint. If the mare is correct in how she's built and has a good attitude, I would breed to a top notch performance/race bred stallion. Imo, bringing in new blood is a good thing. A few years back a cutter won a huge futurity with a horse out of a cutting mare by a thoroughbred stallion. I'm sure everyone told them the same thing - that it wouldn't work, etc. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom.  |
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| komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM
Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom.
They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
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Location: Kentucky | There are so many proven lines out there that are working, that taking a chance on something like this may not make a whole lot of sense. A lot of folks have already figured out what works... the hard work is already done. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | No I would not. |
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| FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2015-03-18 5:22 PM
If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this.
I will say yes, it can work and you can get a very nice foal as the result. Have done it in the past and have had great outcomes. A good horse is a good horse is a good horse, they don't know what their papers say. As long as it isn't for resale and you like the mare, try it. Resale is a bugger for anything "halter" bred crossed with race...Halter people don't want the foal, barrel racers don't want the foal (unless it is a proven finished barrel horse) |
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Location: Kentucky | MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 9:07 AM FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2015-03-18 5:22 PM If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this. I will say yes, it can work and you can get a very nice foal as the result. Have done it in the past and have had great outcomes. A good horse is a good horse is a good horse, they don't know what their papers say. As long as it isn't for resale and you like the mare, try it. Resale is a bugger for anything "halter" bred crossed with race...Halter people don't want the foal, barrel racers don't want the foal (unless it is a proven finished barrel horse )
I agree that a good horse is a good horse. However, a good hunter/jumper horse is really of no use to me since I barrel race. We have bred horses to be so discipline specific now that sometimes their bodies aren't made to do the things we want them to do.
I am also always concerned about resale, because you never what what the future may bring. |
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| Murphy - 2015-03-19 8:25 AM
MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 9:07 AM FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2015-03-18 5:22 PM If you had a nice halter mare would you breed her with a stud built with speed? Like and studs with dash for cash, frenchmans guy or any other high up stud. Would it be a nice foal? I don't know much about halter horses, so im wondering if anyone has experience with this. I will say yes, it can work and you can get a very nice foal as the result. Have done it in the past and have had great outcomes. A good horse is a good horse is a good horse, they don't know what their papers say. As long as it isn't for resale and you like the mare, try it. Resale is a bugger for anything "halter" bred crossed with race...Halter people don't want the foal, barrel racers don't want the foal (unless it is a proven finished barrel horse )
I am also always concerned about resale, because you never what what the future may bring.
I think that may be part of why so many barrel horses break down so young anymore. Variations in breeding can be a good thing when everyone else is breeding for one specific reason (speed) they lose the using and strength sometimes. You wouldn't want to take just any halter horse and breed for barrel racing, but if they are strong, have good feet, good mind, are athletic, etc. I don't see why it would be a bad idea. |
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Location: N Texas | From a resale standpoint, no, absolutely not. The only way you'll get interest in the foal is to wait until it's broke and patterned to see if it even has potential. Or sell it dirt cheap. I personally don't have a problem with Impressive being in the pedigree, but a lot of people won't touch them with a ten-foot pole. So it really depends on what your plans for the foal are.
I personally don't like the mare's sire AT ALL for a performance prospect. He is not built for performance, so your foal would already have that against it. |
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Location: Oregon | I'm planning to next year.
My mare is APHA, she is my main barrel horse and has speed but has lots more turn. She went the the APHA world show in Halter as a baby and then again in performance later. She then got into a fight with a fence and ended up scarred on her hind legs ending her show career. Then started her on barrels and she loves it way more then show stuff. She is a true all around horse, team penning, roping, barrels, kids babysitter, parades.
To me she has earned her breeding to a very high dollar up and coming race bred stud. She is also maiden and I want to breed her before she is to old.
Next year my new husband is deploying and I will be breeding my mare as I won't be able to go to races as much.
I say if it is for you do what you want!
P.S. I'm talking about the mare in my profile pic.
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Location: Where I am happiest | My advice is dont breed the mare and go buy yourself a nice little weaning bred the way you want it. Thats the beauty of buying, you get to have exactly what you want. Breeding you get what you get like it or not and you have no say in the matter after conception. |
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They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
Even though I LOVE the Impressive lines and SO AGREE with the response about NOT having bad attitudes, I am surprised that people don't look past IMPRESSIVE and look at (and like) all the THREE BARS. Sometimes I think we (and I have often been guilty of this) look too hard at the pedigree and paper and quit looking at the HORSE. If this Paint stud has the conformation you like, it certainly seems to have the ability to pass "run" on with all the Three Bars genes back there.
The horse in my avatar was Impressive close up and the most wonderful horse I have ever ridden. But yes, extremely sensitive, always thinking, always wanting to please, always trying to think ahead of me...not always in a good way but always in a productive way. I was successful in the Arabian industry for many years and equate the Impressives' to Arabians....choose your battles, be fair with them, and soft works better than hard....
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | smmthbr - 2015-03-19 11:57 AM
They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
Even though I LOVE the Impressive lines and SO AGREE with the response about NOT having bad attitudes, I am surprised that people don't look past IMPRESSIVE and look at (and like) all the THREE BARS. Sometimes I think we (and I have often been guilty of this) look too hard at the pedigree and paper and quit looking at the HORSE. If this Paint stud has the conformation you like, it certainly seems to have the ability to pass "run" on with all the Three Bars genes back there.
The horse in my avatar was Impressive close up and the most wonderful horse I have ever ridden. But yes, extremely sensitive, always thinking, always wanting to please, always trying to think ahead of me...not always in a good way but always in a productive way. I was successful in the Arabian industry for many years and equate the Impressives' to Arabians....choose your battles, be fair with them, and soft works better than hard....
Just my 2cents....
I couldn't agree more on all accounts. I worked in the Arab industry as well, still own 2 , and own two heavily Impressive bred gelding. I agree there are a lot of similarities in the way they think and the way they work. They do require you to step up and think. Love them both. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one.
That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
Most smart horses are like that. I don't see it as a bad attitude - I see it as a horse that's too smart to put up with crap and easily gets irritated with stupidity. Kind of the same way intelligent people get irritated with dumb folks that say stupid things.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM
komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off. |
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| komet. - 2015-03-19 4:09 PM
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komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
But they take it to extremes.. It's like having a 2 year old child that has a fit EVERY time they don't get their way...and it starts the instant they hit the ground... and they keep behaving that way until they mature... and they do that late.. Sure some of them turn into nice horses.... but all the years of hissy fits getting them there is a lot of darn work that may or may not pay off.
They don't have hissy fits, they only have hissy fits when someone that doesn't know how to handle one causes them. I have started quite a few of them from the ground up, they are easy to get along with if you know how to treat them. And they do not mature late, everyone that I had was running when they were 4 or 5, solidly on the barrels and the poles. Actually some of the easiest horses to train in my opinion. |
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-19 3:59 PM
komet. - 2015-03-19 3:51 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-19 6:54 AM komet. - 2015-03-19 5:10 AM Let's stop beating around the bush here...Everyone can see Impressive top and bottom. If he is close enough you have to worry about HYPP, he is close enough you have to worry about the bad attitudes he was known to throw. So even if the tests do come back N/N you still have to worry about the 'tude' showing up. Those are unpleasant at best.. I've seen nasty 'tudes' with him just on one side... I can't imaging a foal with him top AND bottom. They don't have bad attitudes, they are sensitive and when push comes to shove they will shove back. They have a ton of "fight" instinct and not much "flight". Takes a good horseperson to get along with an Impressive, you can't jack with them. They make outstanding horses if you know how to work with one. That's about the best definition of a bad attitude in a horse I ever heard.
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