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Location: ND | In deciding if you should keep this farrier or not the main quesiton is how long have you been using him. If this is a new horse to you, or a new farrier & he's making changes on the horse it's probably worth working with him for a while and see what happens. But if this is the farrier this horse has been with for some time I'd find someone else as that means this work is the farriers "normal" and he see's it as correct. If he felt there was something wrong he'd be working to change it & nothing you as the owner says is going to make him decide his technique is wrong. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Yes and yes...Now it is your call... I vote bare foot. |
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Location: Phoenix | This is the horse I've owned forever, but haven't been around in three years since I graduated college and moved away. I brought him to AZ in December and he was barefoot since his shoes had been pulled for winter. Beginning of January I had a barefoot trimmer come out because I thought we could continue the barefoot thing. But I don't think we can. He was miserable and sore. I had shoes put on him beginning of February and it was the first time I used this shoer. But the difference was night and day. He was much happier with shoes and he's had them his while life, and I just don't think I can go barefoot. I'm taking pictures now, I'll upload them when I get home. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Wow... That's a LOT of heel for a barefoot horse... Is he club-foooted? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If this horse was barefooted for awhile and this is his first shoeing since winter, how does he have so much heel? Does his other foot have the same amount of heel?
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2015-03-21 5:33 PM
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:30 PM
If this horse was barefooted for awhile and this is his first shoeing since winter, how does he have so much heel? Does his other foot have the same amount of heel?
Yes it does.. we see pictures of both feet. :) |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would like to see a picture of the whole horse standing square so we can see what the hooves look like while standing. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:37 PM
I would like to see a picture of the whole horse standing square so we can see what the hooves look like while standing.
Yes.. me too :) |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:46 PM
I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them.
Not with heels that long... It takes frog pressure to expand the heels.. if the frog never hits the ground there is no expansion... thus..... contracted heels...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2015-03-21 6:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 5:46 PM I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them. Not with heels that long... It takes frog pressure to expand the heels.. if the frog never hits the ground there is no expansion... thus..... contracted heels...
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2015-03-21 6:28 PM
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Location: SE Louisiana | Like I said.. the frog has to hit the ground to pump the blood and create expansion... Those heels are too long for the frog to contact the ground every step...It's like a halter horse... all heels no frog contact... contracted heels..
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Location: Phoenix | I don't think he's club-footed, what what do I know? It seems like his feet have always looked like this, regardless of the shoer. I have had the same horsehoer back home for years and years and he's well respected... The last shoer I used for the first time since being here really took his time I think he will help me get them to where they are supposed to be. I just need to know what to tell him. I can see that his toes are long. Are the angles too low? Like the heels should be more upright, but shorter? Keep in mind he is due to be reset, and the shoer is coming out next Saturday. Please excuse the lighting, I know it wasn't the best. Thanks in advance.
Standing:
Front right: (some taken from inside)
Front left: (some shots taken from the inside)
Left hind:
Right hind:
Fronts together:
Front hosed out:
Gahh they look horrendous. =( Next I will post another horse's feet that the guy also shoes.
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Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | Here's another horse that he also shoes. Better, worse or just right? I won't caption, just give you pictures:
Fronts:
Rears:
Dirty:
Edited by hammer_time 2015-03-21 6:56 PM
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Location: SE Louisiana | You don't have any rocks where you are do you? LOL!!!! OK now I understand... I don't have an answer for the cracks sorry..They almost look like the normal bar growing through..
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Your horse to me just looks unbalanced. And the other horse looks really mule footed. I dont like the looks of the shoe job. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Hopefully someone will get on here that can tell you what to do, I dont shoe horses but I know what I like on my own horses, thankfully I have a great shoer and he does his job. Maybe Farrierlady will get on here and can help you out.  |
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Location: Phoenix | The terrain around here is sandy, kind of gravelly, but not a whole lot of rocks. We do a fair share of riding through the hills but there's usually a cleared trail.
I'm going to see if I can sneak some pics of the other horses who are done by a different shoer. I wasn't a fan of those shoe jobs either though..... |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hammer_time - 2015-03-21 7:25 PM The terrain around here is sandy, kind of gravelly, but not a whole lot of rocks. We do a fair share of riding through the hills but there's usually a cleared trail.
I'm going to see if I can sneak some pics of the other horses who are done by a different shoer. I wasn't a fan of those shoe jobs either though.....
Try pm'ing FarrierLady I bet she can help you out, shes really good. |
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Northern Chocolate Queen
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Location: ND | Southtxponygirl - 2015-03-21 4:46 PM I keep going back to the pictures, to me if he was barefooted and just shoed I would not think his heels would be contracted they would have some spread to them.
Barefoot only benefits a horse if the trim is correct. If the horse is in the hands of a crummy trimmer being barefoot doesn't help anything. |
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