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Location: N Texas | Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses? |
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Location: Here | Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 9:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses?
Most Dairies sell them and they make great 4h project, ie bucket calves, and then they become meat.... |
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Location: Here | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-03-25 8:54 AM We have facilities here that breed registered foals, but they bottle feed all of them and send the mares off to be nurse mares. I know those are few and far between, but some owners don't have the facilities to bottle feed a foal every 3 hours, while some do. Its a service that people need, and use. Glad I could enlighten some of you of this side of breeding.
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Location: Washington | livinonlove&horses - 2015-03-25 5:40 AM I read an article where a lot of TB goals are raised by nurse mares. Because they are worth so much when they are born and the mare needs to be rebred which requires travel because they won't AI it's too risky to send the foal with the mare. So it is raised by a nurse mare while the mare is shipped for rebreeding
Please direct me to this article. I assure you I have never seen this practice. |
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Location: ND | Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 8:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses?
My neighbors run a fairly large dairy. The calves are not disposed of. They work hard to keep them all alive so they can keep the heifers in their herd & sell the steers when they are grown. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | SaraJean - 2015-03-26 10:06 AM
Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 8:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses?
My neighbors run a fairly large dairy. The calves are not disposed of. They work hard to keep them all alive so they can keep the heifers in their herd & sell the steers when they are grown.
We have a friend that has dairy and they definatly don't t dispose of the babies...
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | fatchance - 2015-03-25 11:54 AM livinonlove&horses - 2015-03-25 5:40 AM I read an article where a lot of TB goals are raised by nurse mares. Because they are worth so much when they are born and the mare needs to be rebred which requires travel because they won't AI it's too risky to send the foal with the mare. So it is raised by a nurse mare while the mare is shipped for rebreeding Please direct me to this article. I assure you I have never seen this practice.
Here is one article - I just googled and found several but this name I do recognize.
http://stacywestfallhorseblog.com/2014/03/16/what-are-nurse-mare-foals/
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Location: In my own world | fatchance - 2015-03-25 10:54 AM livinonlove&horses - 2015-03-25 5:40 AM I read an article where a lot of TB goals are raised by nurse mares. Because they are worth so much when they are born and the mare needs to be rebred which requires travel because they won't AI it's too risky to send the foal with the mare. So it is raised by a nurse mare while the mare is shipped for rebreeding Please direct me to this article. I assure you I have never seen this practice.
It was a while back. I'll have to see if I can find where I read it |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | mruggles - 2015-03-25 11:10 AM SaraJean - 2015-03-26 10:06 AM Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 8:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses? My neighbors run a fairly large dairy. The calves are not disposed of. They work hard to keep them all alive so they can keep the heifers in their herd & sell the steers when they are grown. We have a friend that has dairy and they definatly don't t dispose of the babies... M
And, I'd sure like to go buy $5 calves, even if they are dairy breeds! Around here baby calves will sell for $500 to put on a cow that lost her calf. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | ozcancrasher13 - 2015-03-25 12:21 PM mruggles - 2015-03-25 11:10 AM SaraJean - 2015-03-26 10:06 AM Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 8:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses? My neighbors run a fairly large dairy. The calves are not disposed of. They work hard to keep them all alive so they can keep the heifers in their herd & sell the steers when they are grown. We have a friend that has dairy and they definatly don't t dispose of the babies... M
They are well over $250 here for the dairy calves at the auction. |
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Location: Florida.. | Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 10:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses? Its not even the same thing why they do it..?
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Location: In my own world | 3canstorun - 2015-03-25 11:15 AM
fatchance - 2015-03-25 11:54 AM livinonlove&horses - 2015-03-25 5:40 AM I read an article where a lot of TB goals are raised by nurse mares. Because they are worth so much when they are born and the mare needs to be rebred which requires travel because they won't AI it's too risky to send the foal with the mare. So it is raised by a nurse mare while the mare is shipped for rebreeding Please direct me to this article. I assure you I have never seen this practice.
Thank you. That is the article I read. I found it on the Saving Baby FB page |
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| I think it comes down to whether or not horses are considered livestock. Some want to love and kiss and hug thier horses, some want to make money on them. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Whiteboy - 2015-03-25 12:29 PM I think it comes down to whether or not horses are considered livestock. Some want to love and kiss and hug thier horses, some want to make money on them.
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| I don't really consider this the same as a dairy.
On a dairy, the calves are taken from the mothers when born, bottle fed and cared for. The males end up as beef cattle and the females go into the dairy herd.
With the nurse mares, you are sacrificing one foal for another and adding to the population of horses with no where to go. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Why do they not just bottle feed their orphan the question is... why rely on a mare that had a foal and it is taken away from her so owners can lease mare for $$ .
to say the foals removed are bottle fed is a bit skeptical.. this is a business for owners to make $$ that clearly have other alternatives.. fact is people will be buying up mares and breeding and tossing away the foals to lease her out and make $$ and more and more .Another brilliant money hungry scheme to add to the unwanted horses..and or tossed away horses and foals..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2015-03-25 11:39 AM
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Location: The edge of no where | 3canstorun - 2015-03-25 11:32 AM Whiteboy - 2015-03-25 12:29 PM I think it comes down to whether or not horses are considered livestock. Some want to love and kiss and hug thier horses, some want to make money on them. True
Livestock deserves to be well treated. I've raised dairy calves, they weren't cheap to buy. There is a purpose for them. The heifers can be used for replacement cows, the little bulls were the ones that the dairies don't have a use for....but typically they bring a pretty decent price at auction. They're used by lots of ropers and then turned out and eventually they're hamburger. This doesn't mean that they are not well treated until they are hamburger, stress is tough on calves and nobody wants to lose money. They've got good food and shelter.
I have a major issue with the nurse mares. They're producing a product with no useful purpose, this can't possibly go well.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-03-25 11:37 AM Why do they not just bottle feed their orphan the question is... why rely on a mare that had a foal and it is taken away from her so owners can lease mare for $$ .
to say the foals removed are bottle fed is a bit skeptical.. this is a business for owners to make $$ that clearly have other alternatives.. fact is people will be buying up mares and breeding and tossing away the foals to lease her out and make $$ and more and more .Another brilliant money hungry scheme to add to the unwanted horses..and or tossed away horses and foals..
Because the first orphan foal is essentially worth a whole lot of money and they would prefer it to be raised on true milk and not bottlefed with replacement. This isn't a practice that common, everyday people use. (Example us obviously) But your larger farms with high dollared foals will most likely do this. I interned for a very well known QH race farm and this was a practice that they used. Although realistically it was very uncommon for them to need a nurse mare.
Not saying I agree with it, but just explaining what I know. |
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Location: Oklahoma | After spending 9 years working for some of the top TB breeding farms, the only reason a nurse mare was used was if the mare rejected the foal or the mare died. We prefered to keep the foals with their real moms. As far as sending the mares to the breeding sheds, the foals would stay at the farm. The mares were just vanned over to be bred and only gone for about an hour. It didn't hurt the foal to be alone for that time. |
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Location: Kansas | Gunner11 - 2015-03-25 8:16 AM Y'all know that's what they do on dairies right? Cows are bred solely to produce milk and calves are immediately taken away, and a lot of times "disposed of" or sold for $5 at auction. So it's ok to do it to cows but not horses?
Some dairies keep the babies to be added to the heard, some sell a few as 4-H projects, and a lot sell the calves to be slaughtered (veal). All of you are right so stop claiming that everyone else besides you is wrong. |
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