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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Kaycee - 2015-03-26 2:12 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-26 2:02 PM What's the story on the mare? Yours? Purchasing? Spill it! She's mine and she is really pretty and typical smart cowbred. She had a loooooong training in the cutting world (husband kind of forgot she was at the trainers-DON'T get me started  ) and I finally picked her up a couple of years ago and gave her some time (several months) off and brought her up and the "B" loves to buck when saddled. It doesn't matter what saddle is used she bucks. I haven't had a chance to haul her to my lameness vet but I am suspecting she might have kissing spine or just sore in hocks, stifles, SI, who knows! and she overreacts to pain. I don't know but when I picked her up from the trainer I rode her and she has a beautiful handle. I'm at a loss at what to do with her because I have other horses that will come before her. I am too old to be bucked off.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I like her pedigree, but even more in the flesh! I think you need to give her a whorl and see what happens! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | You do realize how often Peppy San Badger appears in that pedigree don't you??? They are KNOWN for bucking, probably as much as Hancocks. They tend to be cold backed. I don't know if it may be a genetic issue like PSSM or some other pain thing but they are known for being hot buckers. They are also known for being athletic and smart (sometimes too smart) and reasonably gritty. Which is why people keep breeding them of course. Top cutting lines in that mare. Good foundation bred. A lot of people don't like the PSBs because of the bucking reputation though.
This was our PSB bucker. She was a good looking athletic girl but would lose you in a minute.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=LITTLE...
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Location: Kansas | WOW!! She's nice!!! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I hear people say that about the PSB's and I go home and kiss Hearts For Lena every day. She doesn't even have the thought of bucking.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hearts+for+lena
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Location: Red Raiderland | oija - 2015-03-26 2:46 PM You do realize how often Peppy San Badger appears in that pedigree don't you??? They are KNOWN for bucking, probably as much as Hancocks. They tend to be cold backed. I don't know if it may be a genetic issue like PSSM or some other pain thing but they are known for being hot buckers. They are also known for being athletic and smart (sometimes too smart ) and reasonably gritty. Which is why people keep breeding them of course. Top cutting lines in that mare. Good foundation bred. A lot of people don't like the PSBs because of the bucking reputation though. This was our PSB bucker. She was a good looking athletic girl but would lose you in a minute. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=LI...
Yeah, I know the PS is thick in her pedigree and the girl doesn't just crow hop or even buck she BUCKS! Even if you lunge her or roundpen her first the minute she disagrees with you-MUCHO AIR! I do know she was a real PITA to train but once they got her working she was nice. Trainer thought she would be a good barrel horse because she doesn't want to be slow enough for cutting.
I have an old cutter that is 20 and he is a grandson to Peppy San Badger and can crow hop some but it is very easy to ride and very easy to correct him. She is another story! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | It takes a special soul to get them working but if you do they are super nice. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | You both have NICE cowbreds in your barns. Me likey!  |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | 
Our girl
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Location: NE Texas | She is a way prettier mare in person than that picture even shows, I think! Send her to your old place and see what the youngin' can get done with her. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | oija - 2015-03-26 3:05 PM
Our girl
She's a looker. Those cowbreds are so sturdy in build.  |
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Location: Red Raiderland | Herbie - 2015-03-26 3:33 PM She is a way prettier mare in person than that picture even shows, I think! Send her to your old place and see what the youngin' can get done with her.
I agree she looks better than that picture and my description of the trainer is upthread, I think you might be familiar with him   ...I think I will get her to the vet next week when I take the others and have her double checked and then let Chase have a crack at her if she checks out ok. |
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Location: Texas | I can explain the bucking! For goodness sakes it's all over her pedigree!
Peppy San Badger!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Peppy San Badger went back to Midnight; that's where the buck originated. People who say "they can't read their papers" or "after three generations it's too watered down" have never ridden a salty bucker, IMHO. I love, love, love Leo San. They were fast, quick-footed, good-minded and good looking. Plus they had a lot of cow. You've got Poco Lena in there, IMHO the greatest cutting mare ever; you've got the King Ranch, Burnett Ranches, and the Triangle Ranch all represented. I don't have any history with the Coy's Bonanza horses but they were extremely popular back in the day.
I've saved Diamond Jim for last. He was owned by a great horseman and roper, Junior Robertson of Oklahoma. They did everything but pull a buggy with him in his day. Besides Leo and Johnny Dial in his pedigree, he descended from two great early Paint mares- Babette and Salisaw Rose.
If you decide not to ride your mare, find a nice stud with NO outlaws in his family tree to cross her on. She could be a whale of a producer! Good Luck-
She's beautiful, btw-
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Location: Red Raiderland | mollibtexan - 2015-03-26 5:01 PM I can explain the bucking! For goodness sakes it's all over her pedigree! Peppy San Badger!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Red Raiderland | cloverleaf - 2015-03-26 6:53 PM Peppy San Badger went back to Midnight; that's where the buck originated. People who say "they can't read their papers" or "after three generations it's too watered down" have never ridden a salty bucker, IMHO. I love, love, love Leo San. They were fast, quick-footed, good-minded and good looking. Plus they had a lot of cow. You've got Poco Lena in there, IMHO the greatest cutting mare ever; you've got the King Ranch, Burnett Ranches, and the Triangle Ranch all represented. I don't have any history with the Coy's Bonanza horses but they were extremely popular back in the day. I've saved Diamond Jim for last. He was owned by a great horseman and roper, Junior Robertson of Oklahoma. They did everything but pull a buggy with him in his day. Besides Leo and Johnny Dial in his pedigree, he descended from two great early Paint mares- Babette and Salisaw Rose. If you decide not to ride your mare, find a nice stud with NO outlaws in his family tree to cross her on. She could be a whale of a producer! Good Luck- She's beautiful, btw-
Super information Cloverleaf. Do any studs come to mind when seeing her breeding, hearing her disposition and seeing her pic? BTW, she is really quiet on the ground but the minute you remove her from the site of any other horse she is a pain. I hobbled her a few times and she finally just accepted the fact.  |
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Location: Montana | My mare goes back to Mr San Peppy and Doc Bar, not as heavily as your's, but they remind me so much of each other in build. My mare's small, but she's tough and wants to speed through everything. Not the fastest of barrel horses, but she can turn tight! This isn't a very good pic of her because she's woolly! LOL. But I've never had an issue with bucking...an occasional crow-hop when she's fresh, but that's about it. She can be a bit stubborn and want her own way, but she usually does what you want and has a lot of heart and try.
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Location: Red Raiderland | mtcanchazer - 2015-03-26 8:14 PM My mare goes back to Mr San Peppy and Doc Bar, not as heavily as your's, but they remind me so much of each other in build. My mare's small, but she's tough and wants to speed through everything. Not the fastest of barrel horses, but she can turn tight! This isn't a very good pic of her because she's woolly! LOL.
She looks even more like my 20 year old PSB gs x DOL grandson. Let me see if I can find a pic of him that is fairly recent. I retired him last year after a friend of mine used him while her mare was recovering from an injury To be honest, I would still run him today but i have younger ones I gotta get to. He is Mr. Dependable. He is a turning fool like your mare but just not super fast.
Couldn't find a recent pic of him... these are his papers.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nero+lena
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | oija - 2015-03-26 2:46 PM
You do realize how often Peppy San Badger appears in that pedigree don't you??? They are KNOWN for bucking, probably as much as Hancocks. They tend to be cold backed. I don't know if it may be a genetic issue like PSSM or some other pain thing but they are known for being hot buckers. They are also known for being athletic and smart (sometimes too smart ) and reasonably gritty. Which is why people keep breeding them of course. Top cutting lines in that mare. Good foundation bred. A lot of people don't like the PSBs because of the bucking reputation though.
This was our PSB bucker. She was a good looking athletic girl but would lose you in a minute.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=LITTLE...
I have him... and both him and his foals are sweet as pie. I must have a fluke or something.... We have several of his foals being worked and they are all easy and *knock on wood* have never offered to buck. I always scratch my head when people say that about PSB's but then I may be spoiled.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pep+tak
Now I have this guy, and he's a handful... I haven't been able to give him away (Tried twice and got him back both times ). It's got to be from his sire's side because the dam is one of my broodmares and we have had 2 foals out of her and they are the complete opposite of this gelding, and she's a complete doll too... He's my special case, since he only puts up with me, and I am doomed to own him forever...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/otoes+a+sailin
To the OP, I love your mare 
ETA: that gelding was a foal on the mare when I purchased her, I have no clue about the sire. Edited by ndiehl 2015-03-26 8:42 PM
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Are you wanting color? I really like Strait Firewater- he's by Firewater Flit and goes back to Walter Merrick's great mare, Indian Music on the bottom side. I saw Easy Rose when she was running at Ruidoso and fell in love with her. I'm really not up on the studs these days, but I'm sure you can find something that will cross well with her- |
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