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Location: Beggs, OK | Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 3:28 PM Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
The statements regarding Lasalocid are so misguided. Yes, it's much less toxic in relation to Monensin....meaning that horses that eat feed contaminated with Lasalocid are less likely to die immediately. The artiticle below gives more information regarding the repercussions of feeding low levels of ionophore contaminated feed over a period of time.
Ultimately, why would anyone want to take a chance? I have pictures of what it did to my horse that will ruin your supper. He is not capable of being rehabilitated fully for us to be able to use him as a performance horse. The rest of mine are struggling to thrive, we cannot get them to bloom. They have been turned out since November and always look drawn up like they are being worked hard. They have lost muscle mass and have neurological issues that are not being resolved.
Acute and long-term cardiomyopathy and delayed neurotoxicity after accidental lasalocid poisoning in horses
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1939-1676.2012.00933.x/pdf |
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Location: Oklahoma | Food for thought here... we have a front row seat in seeing what the feed companies that are not ionophore free /medicated free are doing to our horses. Not all of our horses have been effected, but is it really something you want to leave to chance? Do you want to watch your horse suffer or potentially sucumb to this? I don't. I would rather be pro active and spend my money with a company I know is using safe methods. |
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Location: SE KS | I feed my horses a Bonanza Feed "performance Horse" from the Talala mill (in Oklahoma) ? Would anyone know about this mill? If not,
I will call and ask them.
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Location: Here | Finally a reply
In any case Bovatec is Lasalocid. The Alfalfa pellets do come straight to us a pellets already but we do have to run them through the mill to get them to the sacker. Yes we do use Bovatec at the same location but follow proper state guidelines for cleanout so as to not contaminate other feeds that are non medicated. Hope this helps. If any questions just let me know.Thanks Cary Zipp Nuritionist Gorman Milling Co., Inc. |
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| I was feeding TC senior and complete. My colt seemed to lose weight and was urinating A LOT. Changed to renew gold and also feed a little ultium. Purina horse feeds are safe according to the Facebook " is your feed safe". Seems to be working. My horses look great. |
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Location: Here | Dinero10 - 2015-04-01 3:54 PM I feed my horses a Bonanza Feed "performance Horse" from the Talala mill (in Oklahoma) ? Would anyone know about this mill? If not,
I will call and ask them.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=459551&posts=64#M7138028 |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Dinero10 - 2015-04-01 3:54 PM I feed my horses a Bonanza Feed "performance Horse" from the Talala mill (in Oklahoma) ? Would anyone know about this mill? If not,
I will call and ask them.
I sent you a PM.
...and FYI to anyone who feeds Bonanza Performance Feed, the mineral that is used in that feed is ADM GroStrong.
Edited by rachellyn80 2015-04-01 4:02 PM
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Location: NE Texas | rachellyn80, i'd like to thank you for sharing all of your research and findings with us. SG educated me a few weeks ago. I sure hope the damage done to your horses (and all of our horses that aren't showing definitive signs) are not irrepairable! Would you mind sharing the symptoms you were seeing in your horses? |
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| TwistedK - 2015-04-01 3:50 PM Food for thought here... we have a front row seat in seeing what the feed companies that are not ionophore free /medicated free are doing to our horses. Not all of our horses have been effected, but is it really something you want to leave to chance? Do you want to watch your horse suffer or potentially sucumb to this? I don't. I would rather be pro active and spend my money with a company I know is using safe methods.
It is more than following safe methods. It must be free of medication to be 100% safe. Methods are only as good as those following them.
R80 what made you test your feed?
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Location: So. Cali. | Just to clarify, I am not currently feeding Nutrena Products. A friend of mine is and I sent this thread to her so she emailed, and I was sharing their direct response.
I do however feed alflalfa pellets and just started a grain from a local feed company so I will now be contacting both of them for my own piece of mind.
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| Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 4:16 PM Just to clarify, I am not currently feeding Nutrena Products. A friend of mine is and I sent this thread to her so she emailed, and I was sharing their direct response.
I do however feed alflalfa pellets and just started a grain from a local feed company so I will now be contacting both of them for my own piece of mind.
Keep in mind that mills use corn chops to do their clean out since they are small and sharp. If you think you are being safe by buying straight grain from a mill with meds that may not be the fact.
Oats are not used because they are too light. And depending on each mills set up they could come straight from the ingredient bin to an auger and never reach the blending lines.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Zebra racer - 2015-04-01 4:11 PM TwistedK - 2015-04-01 3:50 PM Food for thought here... we have a front row seat in seeing what the feed companies that are not ionophore free /medicated free are doing to our horses. Not all of our horses have been effected, but is it really something you want to leave to chance? Do you want to watch your horse suffer or potentially sucumb to this? I don't. I would rather be pro active and spend my money with a company I know is using safe methods. It is more than following safe methods. It must be free of medication to be 100% safe. Methods are only as good as those following them.
R80 what made you test your feed?
With everything that was going on in the SE United States I think it was already on our minds. When he first got sick I didn't think anything of it...then when he was continuing to lose weight and look worse even though he was still eating normally we were very concerned. I questioned my vet on whether he thought that it was a possibility and he agreed that there was a very strong possibility that it was feed related given the horses symptoms. He advised that I get blood pulled immediately and have him tubed to flush what we could out of his system. By then his legs were starting to swell and he was completely crashing. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Zebra racer - 2015-04-01 4:24 PM Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 4:16 PM Just to clarify, I am not currently feeding Nutrena Products. A friend of mine is and I sent this thread to her so she emailed, and I was sharing their direct response.
I do however feed alflalfa pellets and just started a grain from a local feed company so I will now be contacting both of them for my own piece of mind.
Keep in mind that mills use corn chops to do their clean out since they are small and sharp. If you think you are being safe by buying straight grain from a mill with meds that may not be the fact.
Oats are not used because they are too light. And depending on each mills set up they could come straight from the ingredient bin to an auger and never reach the blending lines.
I was getting a lot of corn in my TC Sr and is why I first called the company last year. Then I got inconsistency and called the company and then the gas, weight loss and looser stools. I guess I'm a slow learner. I did change in between these problems and would try them again and I got some nice looking product and then back to the inconsistency. |
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Location: on a hill | Where would I find a list of the plant codes or mfg code that's on my bag. I searched the internet and nutrenas web site but can't find it. My lot # starts with 6E. |
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Location: Here | pabarrelracer - 2015-04-01 5:44 PM Where would I find a list of the plant codes or mfg code that's on my bag. I searched the internet and nutrenas web site but can't find it. My lot # starts with 6E.
I think you have to call |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | SG. - 2015-04-02 1:56 PM
Finally a reply
In any case Bovatec is Lasalocid. The Alfalfa pellets do come straight to us a pellets already but we do have to run them through the mill to get them to the sacker. Yes we do use Bovatec at the same location but follow proper state guidelines for cleanout so as to not contaminate other feeds that are non medicated. Hope this helps. If any questions just let me know. Thanks Cary Zipp Nuritionist Gorman Milling Co., Inc.
SG I must have missed it, which company is this? |
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Location: Here | run n rate - 2015-04-01 6:21 PM SG. - 2015-04-02 1:56 PM Finally a reply
In any case Bovatec is Lasalocid. The Alfalfa pellets do come straight to us a pellets already but we do have to run them through the mill to get them to the sacker. Yes we do use Bovatec at the same location but follow proper state guidelines for cleanout so as to not contaminate other feeds that are non medicated. Hope this helps. If any questions just let me know.
Thanks
Cary Zipp
Nuritionist
Gorman Milling Co., Inc.
SG I must have missed it, which company is this?
Red Chain Made by Gorman Mills |
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| we dont have much selection out here if you take away purina..... ugh... my horses look so good on pro force lol there is nothing comparable out here...
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Location: Kentucky | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 4:15 PM redmansmyman11 - 2015-04-01 3:09 PM What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight 
The scary part is that there are so many things that you would think of before you would suspect your feed being the problem!
My mare was having colic-like symptoms while on TC Senior. I've had her off it for about 3 weeks now and she hasn't had an episode yet. I have not had my feed tested yet, but I do have it bagged up.
I switched to Tribute Kalm N' EZ and both of my mares have done really well on it. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I thought I read every single page on this subject but I missed the "ulcer" symptoms. I have fed Nutrena for years and my horse started having alleys and was dx with ulcers. I couldn't figure out how as nothing in my feed program changed. This explains alot! Anyways I switched to RG on all my horses and they are doing great! Thanks Rachel! |
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