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Location: Midwest | MS2011 - 2015-04-09 8:21 AM Absolutely not defending the cop.... but this guy obviously got into a physical altercation with him and took his stun gun and then he ran. What did he think was going to happen?
Video does not show the man taking his stun gun.
He was tasered though (the dead man) before he turned to run away.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?referrer=&_r=0 |
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Location: The edge of no where | barrelracr131 - 2015-04-09 8:36 AM MS2011 - 2015-04-09 8:21 AM Absolutely not defending the cop.... but this guy obviously got into a physical altercation with him and took his stun gun and then he ran. What did he think was going to happen? Video does not show the man taking his stun gun.
He was tasered though (the dead man) before he turned to run away.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-c...
I haven't watched the video, I just read the article. I'm NOT excusing the cop at all, I am relieved they are choosing to charge him with murder.
The point I was trying to make is this, he got into a physical altercation with the cop..... When did it become ok to physically attack law officers (or anyone else)? |
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| Here's my thing... at what point did you see him or that cop touch each other before he took off running??? He looked to be about 4+ feet away from the officer BEFORE he took off running... and I'm sorry. But a stun gun, rubber bullets, mace... all those are tools to TAKE SOMEONE ALIVE... use them. Whats the point of having all that if you're going to be trigger happy in unwarranted situations.
The man paid with his life. . . HIS LIFE. I would never assault an officer, but to think that if I RAN I would be SHOT. . . that's sickening.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | arion - 2015-04-09 6:32 AM
Griz - 2015-04-09 5:39 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-08 8:38 PM
I'm really worried about all the hate when O has to leave office and let the new President in..
- it's far worse now than ever.
No it's not
It's worse than it's been in my lifetime. We've been set back 50 years. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | barrelracr131 - 2015-04-09 8:18 AM People should be outraged, but not because a white man shot a black man...
Agreed. My husband and I argued over this watching the news this morning. He wanted to automatically take the cop's side, "respect for authority" and all that. Not worth killing over. And where do we live again? I have mouthed off to a-hole cops...should they have shot me for my disrespect? What are you supposed to do when the LEOs are wrong, just meekly submit or pay with your life? We do not need to cross that line. Ever. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | If you watch the video, you will see that the cop walks BACK to where he was standing and picks up an item (assumed to be a taser/stun gun) and walks over to the body and drops it by the man's side. Additionally, until the video surfaced the cop made the statement that he "feared" for his life.......really don't understand HOW a man running FROM you, could harm you?????? This cop needs to be found guilty of murder......if he is found guilty, there won't be any riots....but if he isn't..........then watch out!!! |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | There are some things that are troubling about all of this.
1. Why would you automatically run from the police? I don't understand it at all. Is is a cultural thing, is it a lack of respect?
2. Why would a police man shoot someone in the back? The man obviously didn't have any wounds on him where there had been an altercation. Semi-justifying the action.
The outrage should be that a man running (no matter his color) was gunned down. He may have been ugly to the officer, swung at him, spit on him, who knows. But, he did not deserve this. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-04-09 9:21 AM
There are some things that are troubling about all of this.
1. Why would you automatically run from the police? I don't understand it at all. Is is a cultural thing, is it a lack of respect?
2. Why would a police man shoot someone in the back? The man obviously didn't have any wounds on him where there had been an altercation. Semi-justifying the action.
The outrage should be that a man running (no matter his color) was gunned down. He may have been ugly to the officer, swung at him, spit on him, who knows. But, he did not deserve this.
I suspect there will be a whole lot more running away from cops for a while after seeing this. |
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| Youtube search "black guy arrested drinking tea" and see how these people are treated.
If you dont submit to my authority whether its lawful or not im going to arrest you and cost you a bunch of money and your dignity while getting support from my union and fellow officers. This crap HAS to stop.
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Location: Midwest | First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Bear - 2015-04-09 10:32 AM 3canstorun - 2015-04-09 9:21 AM There are some things that are troubling about all of this.
1. Why would you automatically run from the police? I don't understand it at all. Is is a cultural thing, is it a lack of respect?
2. Why would a police man shoot someone in the back? The man obviously didn't have any wounds on him where there had been an altercation. Semi-justifying the action.
The outrage should be that a man running (no matter his color) was gunned down. He may have been ugly to the officer, swung at him, spit on him, who knows. But, he did not deserve this. I suspect there will be a whole lot more running away from cops for a while after seeing this.
But common sense would tell you not to run, so this wouldn't happen to you. To use this as an example not to run. That is what makes it so strange to me.
I believe (in my area), that the fact that they start officers out at $25K per year has a lot to do with the type of people law enforcement attracts. I have the utmost respect for service people, but obviously there is a huge problem within the system. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Itsme - 2015-04-09 10:34 AM Youtube search "black guy arrested drinking tea" and see how these people are treated. If you dont submit to my authority whether its lawful or not im going to arrest you and cost you a bunch of money and your dignity while getting support from my union and fellow officers. This crap HAS to stop.
I just watched and read. His lawyers stated, he was asked by the plain clothes officer to give him the can of tea. He refused to give the can of tea to the officer. The officer was plain clothes so that he could check drinking and driving, open container law. He was also asked to leave the premise. He also refused to do that.
Then the officer manhandled him and arrested him. So, who was right and who was wrong? Was the man refusing to get his can of tea checked wrong? If he didn't have anything to hide, why didn't he just give it to the officer? Why didn't he leave the premise when asked? To me refusing would be plain disrespect for the law.
However, I do agree with your statement that unions, etc. are a big part of the blame for covering for bad officers. |
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Location: North Dakota | I believe the problem is the lack of respect people have in general in this generation. I also believe that most people who become cops do so to feel MORE POWERFUL, they need to feel IN CHARGE and get off on it!!!! Even I have been treated like crap by a cop and I have never even been stopped for speeding or even a parking ticket. I believe body cameras should be on all cops and also on every street corner!!!!!!!! This will put an end to cops abusing power but also a high percent of crime will stop if crooks know cameras are everywhere!!!!! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | barrelracr131 - 2015-04-09 8:52 AM First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | 3canstorun - 2015-04-09 9:14 AM Itsme - 2015-04-09 10:34 AM Youtube search "black guy arrested drinking tea" and see how these people are treated. If you dont submit to my authority whether its lawful or not im going to arrest you and cost you a bunch of money and your dignity while getting support from my union and fellow officers. This crap HAS to stop. I just watched and read. His lawyers stated, he was asked by the plain clothes officer to give him the can of tea. He refused to give the can of tea to the officer. The officer was plain clothes so that he could check drinking and driving, open container law. He was also asked to leave the premise. He also refused to do that.
Then the officer manhandled him and arrested him. So, who was right and who was wrong? Was the man refusing to get his can of tea checked wrong? If he didn't have anything to hide, why didn't he just give it to the officer? Why didn't he leave the premise when asked? To me refusing would be plain disrespect for the law.
However, I do agree with your statement that unions, etc. are a big part of the blame for covering for bad officers.
Give people an inch & they take a mile. We have Constitutional laws prohibiting unlawful search & seizure...trouble is, too many citizens take the stance of, "If I don't have anything to hide...then why not allow an illegal search?". THIS is why, suddenly the 'law' feels 'entitled' to abuse their position due to ignorance of the law.
It's our duty to keep leo's honest...we do that by asserting our rights every chance we get. Respect goes both ways.
Aside from that...there's not one single citizen that hasn't broken a law...make us all guilty & we lose everything. We have too many laws. It's out of control. The KGB started this way, too and it's very scary.
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| angelica - 2015-04-09 10:19 AM
I believe the problem is the lack of respect people have in general in this generation. I also believe that most people who become cops do so to feel MORE POWERFUL, they need to feel IN CHARGE and get off on it!!!! Even I have been treated like crap by a cop and I have never even been stopped for speeding or even a parking ticket. I believe body cameras should be on all cops and also on every street corner!!!!!!!! This will put an end to cops abusing power but also a high percent of crime will stop if crooks know cameras are everywhere!!!!!
Cameras in the police car and on police won't be that helpful if the people that have them are bad. They just say, oh sorry the camera was off/malfunctioned. That has happened around here several times. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | My husband is a retired LEO and has been retired since 1996 and said under the circumstances, the cop should have let him run. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-09 8:55 AM
arion - 2015-04-09 6:32 AM
Griz - 2015-04-09 5:39 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-08 8:38 PM
I'm really worried about all the hate when O has to leave office and let the new President in..
- it's far worse now than ever.
No it's not
It's worse than it's been in my lifetime. We've been set back 50 years.
AMEN, Ok, it may not be worse than EVER but it is definately WAY WORSE than it has EVER been in MY lifetime. |
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| angelica - 2015-04-09 10:19 AM I believe the problem is the lack of respect people have in general in this generation. I also believe that most people who become cops do so to feel MORE POWERFUL, they need to feel IN CHARGE and get off on it!!!! Even I have been treated like crap by a cop and I have never even been stopped for speeding or even a parking ticket. I believe body cameras should be on all cops and also on every street corner!!!!!!!! This will put an end to cops abusing power but also a high percent of crime will stop if crooks know cameras are everywhere!!!!!
Power complexs... they're a vicious cycle. We should be scared for our teenagers, our children. How many children run from discipline or think it funny to disrespect a cop. It's one thing if they are threatening your life.. but this makes you fear for yourself and those you love being on the wrong side of someone with POWER OVER YOUR LIFE.
like those poor people are that tragic flight in germany. . . this is all about power. And the people need to start showing theirs before we no longer have any. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-04-09 8:18 AM People should be outraged, but not because a white man shot a black man...
I agree. The video is heart breaking. Glad the officer has been charged. |
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