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| rodeomom3 - 2015-04-16 6:45 PM Thank you, you very eloquently put into words how I feel. I do not at all question God why this is happening to this little girl because I do not believe he planned for it to happen and that there is not a reason for it. as you said, man choses evil and we can chose to turn away from it. It almost offends me to hear someone say everything happens for a reason or it is all in Golds plan when something terrible happens. I would to defend my God, that he does not plan these things or want them to happen, He is loving and kind and wants the best for us, it is up to us to strive for the best life possible.
I personally feel when we die, that's in God's plan. But when we die violently as a direct action of someone else... that is satan at work. Our jobs as Christians is to be prepared by the word of God, so that we can see God's plan. The little children who suffer need God in their lives more than ever. I'll pray for your family and this little girl, and pray the system does the right thing. This is very sad =( | |
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grinandbareit - 2015-04-16 11:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 10:01 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-16 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM Â I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS Â be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. LOL... I didn't think that was what you meant, ; ) How about... God won't stop us from having hardships, but He promises that His grace is sufficient to carry us THROUGH those times. : )
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| Ive asked my Grandma this many times in the past. She explained it that there is a plan much deeper than any of us can understand and things wont make sense all the time. I've never really liked that and its never settled well with me. But I do believe there is some part of satan at work. I also believe that things happen for a reason. I've seen it in my own life. When I had nearly lost hope on a certain dream, all the broken roads led me to something bigger than I ever dreamed of. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM Â I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS Â be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is.
And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ | |
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| CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........ why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............
Because God can see the whole plan & we can't & never will. We can't see what evil thought or action will result in good or what attempt to do good will result in something bad for someone somewhere some time. But God can.
People have been using their free will to do good or evil since Eve took a bite of apple in the Garden. God made us that way knowing we were going to mess up paradise and He knew He was going to give us a way back to Him that some of us will reject. And still He gives us that freedom.
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Location: Texas | CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM
grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM Â I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS Â be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is.
And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............
CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why?
Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing.
If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time.
CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ;)
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| grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 1:27 PM CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why? Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing. If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time. CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ; )
I feel as CJ does, I don't think there is a why in reference to God because I do not think God choses what happens and what does not happen. The why is easy to answer, there is biology that creates sickness, there is evil created by man. As others have said there is life, God created life but he is not controlling what is happening in our life. To be blunt, if a man is put in jail for molesting children, why is it ok then for God to have "allowed" that to happen? Free will means we have choices and although God is there to help pick up the pieces through our faith, he does not have a reason for everything. I do not need a God whose plan is for little children or anyone to suffer. I understand as posted that we have to let others make mistakes to learn but that is different then planning the suffering. Where is God in the plan when little children are being horribly abused and molested? I just cannot accept that He choses to let that happen, it happens because those perpetrating it are evil. | |
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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 1:40 PM
grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 1:27 PM CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM Â I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS Â be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why? Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing. If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time. CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ; )
But by saying that you are also saying that God is powerless to do anything about it. I just don't believe that is true. God is the Creator of the entire universe, He can do anything, He could stop abuse, disease, pain... But He doesn't always do that. Why? If you trust Him in ALL things, then does it really matter why?
Do you believe God has power over everything, or that He is powerless on earth?
Edited to add... David suffered so many trials and ended up a king. He kept in faith that it was all part of God's plan. What about Job... God allowed all kinds of things to happen to Job and he ended up the victor when it was all said and done.
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Location: lone star state | I agree with the above posts.
I also know God is a just God and serves up the perfect justice for all sin. You may not see the Godly justice on this earth, however looking at my experience and those close to me often justice is served on earth in the perfect time. We all will answer for our choices good and bad. | |
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Location: East Texas | Where is God when all the evil is going on in the world? The same place He was when He allowed His precious Son to die a terribly cruel death on a cross like a common criminal! He was on His throne in heaven knowing from the beginning of time that the day would come when Jesus would die for all of us. How fair was that??? He never did anything wrong or deserved the punishment and death He endured for us!! The Bible teaches that God’s ways are higher than our ways. If we had all the answers WE would be God. Oh, yes… God could step in at any time and call a halt to time itself and stop all the evil that goes on in the world (and one day Jesus is coming back to do just that). But He loves us enough that He does not make us love Him – He gives us that choice, just like He allows us to do whatever we choose to do… good or bad. We are not puppets or robots that He controls our every move. I do believe that He has a perfect plan for every one of us and I can guarantee it doesn’t involve doing bad things. Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. That’s what God’s plan is for us. Unfortunately, we all choose to make choices that He would not make for us! | |
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| grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 3:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 1:40 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 1:27 PM CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why? Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing. If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time. CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ; ) But by saying that you are also saying that God is powerless to do anything about it. I just don't believe that is true. God is the Creator of the entire universe, He can do anything, He could stop abuse, disease, pain... But He doesn't always do that. Why? If you trust Him in ALL things, then does it really matter why? Do you believe God has power over everything, or that He is powerless on earth? Edited to add... David suffered so many trials and ended up a king. He kept in faith that it was all part of God's plan. What about Job... God allowed all kinds of things to happen to Job and he ended up the victor when it was all said and done.
Yes, although He has the power, I do not believe that God picks and choses who He saves from suffering. Again, we use His teachings to gain strength thru hardships and can learn and grow stronger thru adversity but absolutely in no way do I believe God choses who is going to suffer and who is not. | |
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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 4:36 PM
grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 3:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 1:40 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 1:27 PM CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM Â I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS Â be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why? Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing. If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time. CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ; ) But by saying that you are also saying that God is powerless to do anything about it. I just don't believe that is true. God is the Creator of the entire universe, He can do anything, He could stop abuse, disease, pain... But He doesn't always do that. Why? If you trust Him in ALL things, then does it really matter why? Do you believe God has power over everything, or that He is powerless on earth? Edited to add... David suffered so many trials and ended up a king. He kept in faith that it was all part of God's plan. What about Job... God allowed all kinds of things to happen to Job and he ended up the victor when it was all said and done.
We are ALL going to suffer... no one gets away with a perfect life. It's not about whether or not you will have trials, because you will. It's how you deal with those trials that counts.
Our faith gives us someone to lean on. No God, no peace... Know God, know peace.
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| grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 4:48 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 4:36 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 3:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 1:40 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 1:27 PM CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why? Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing. If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time. CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ; ) But by saying that you are also saying that God is powerless to do anything about it. I just don't believe that is true. God is the Creator of the entire universe, He can do anything, He could stop abuse, disease, pain... But He doesn't always do that. Why? If you trust Him in ALL things, then does it really matter why? Do you believe God has power over everything, or that He is powerless on earth? Edited to add... David suffered so many trials and ended up a king. He kept in faith that it was all part of God's plan. What about Job... God allowed all kinds of things to happen to Job and he ended up the victor when it was all said and done. Yes, although He has the power, I do not believe that God picks and choses who He saves from suffering. Again, we use His teachings to gain strength thru hardships and can learn and grow stronger thru adversity but absolutely in no way do I believe God choses who is going to suffer and who is not. . Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.
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It is my belief that He does not give us a disease or make someone abuse someone else, etc. Those things just exist in the world... but, He does ALLOW things to happen. For every one thing that happens to us there are 10,000 things that He prevents from happening to us. I try really hard to keep my focus on the things that haven't happened rather than the things that have or could happen. It is hard to find joy in my life when I dwell on the what if or what did. You can not drive forward effectively while looking in your rear view mirror.
I find peace knowing that God controls ALL things and if He allows me to go through some particular trial then it has a Kingdom reason and God will turn it to good. I may never get to see it, but I am confident in His love for me so I will just have faith that He knows the plans He has for me.
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Location: Texas | Â i have a hard time with this right now. My son has been treated horribly by his biological father. He was just a child and i dont understand why God would "let" those things happen to my son who hasnt done anything to "deserve" what he got. Because of what happened though all rights were taken from my ex and my husband was able to adopt my son. The things my kid would have been raised around was my fear since he was born. Underage drinking, smoking, partying and sex. With adults knowing what is going on and heck half of them would party with the kids. So was my son "allowed" to be treated the way he was so i would be able to get him away from that family and hopefully keep him from going down the wrong path which would be impossible with that family buying him all the beer he wants. So i dont know the answer to your question but i would like to think everything happens for a reason. I guess it is what keeps me going when things are going bad. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | pinx05 - 2015-04-17 6:39 PM
 i have a hard time with this right now. My son has been treated horribly by his biological father. He was just a child and i dont understand why God would "let" those things happen to my son who hasnt done anything to "deserve" what he got. Because of what happened though all rights were taken from my ex and my husband was able to adopt my son. The things my kid would have been raised around was my fear since he was born. Underage drinking, smoking, partying and sex. With adults knowing what is going on and heck half of them would party with the kids. So was my son "allowed" to be treated the way he was so i would be able to get him away from that family and hopefully keep him from going down the wrong path which would be impossible with that family buying him all the beer he wants. So i dont know the answer to your question but i would like to think everything happens for a reason. I guess it is what keeps me going when things are going bad.
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Location: East Texas | God gets blamed for a lot of things God did not do. The Bible does not say God is in control of this world.... closest thing to saying that is one small verse in Isaiah, but it does say the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy ant that God comes to give life and give it more abundantly. | |
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Location: Florida.. | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 6:14 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 4:48 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 4:36 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 3:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-17 1:40 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-17 1:27 PM CJE - 2015-04-17 12:41 PM grinandbareit - 2015-04-15 10:57 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-04-16 9:39 PM I dont believe the saying everything happens for a reason..I believe God cant prevent things from happening but he promises to ALWAYS be there to carry you and hold you up to get you thru them.. Do you REALLY believe that God CAN'T prevent things from happening? That the Maker of the Heaven's and the earth is powerless to protect us if He so chooses? I know you don't really believe that. See, the thing is, when we get to Heaven we will realize all the bad things that God stopped from happening to us. It's something that we can't know because we aren't all knowing like God is. And therein is the question.........if He chooses........why does He choose one over the other.........did HE choose NOT to protect my mother from being killed when I was 5........or did he choose NOT to heal the child from cancer..........and heal one............ CJE... You are right, that is the age old question...Why? Here is how I look at it these days... It doesn't really matter to me why. It just happened and I have to trust God. I say that He is my Lord, I say I believe in Him, I say He loves me, I say I read and believe His word, so I have to trust Him, or I'm just a hypocrite. Let me just put this out there... I was sexually abused as a child and went through some pretty grueling emotional things... When I was young I didn't understand it, it caused all types of issues for me as a young adult. BUT, as I look back I can see God's presence on so many occasions in my life. I certainly didn't know it then but He was with me. I can choose to be a victim of my situation or I can be a victor to spite those things. I CHOOSE to rise above it. Those things made me a better parent, I can relate to other people that have suffered abuse. When I talk to them they can feel good knowing that I actually understand their fears, their hurt and their pain. I can tell them that they don't have to live defeated, and mean it. I can bring them hope that you do not have to carry that around with you your entire life. It makes it easier for me not to be so judgemental of other people. I realize that so many of the mistakes they sometimes make are simply because of the things that they suffered in the past. I see it through a very different set of eyes, and to me that is a blessing. If we were all spared heartache and disease and hardships, this would not be called earth... It would be called Heaven. If there was nothing bad that ever happened, how would we recognize all the good that surrounds us. We will one day understand God's plan... Why He intervened in some places and not in others, but now is not that time. CJE... You can rest assured that God has a plan for your life and that your mom is with Him, surrounded by His glory. Go help someone else get over their loss. Tell them that you understand their pain and their struggles. Tell them that it is all going to be okay. Because it is! ; ) But by saying that you are also saying that God is powerless to do anything about it. I just don't believe that is true. God is the Creator of the entire universe, He can do anything, He could stop abuse, disease, pain... But He doesn't always do that. Why? If you trust Him in ALL things, then does it really matter why? Do you believe God has power over everything, or that He is powerless on earth? Edited to add... David suffered so many trials and ended up a king. He kept in faith that it was all part of God's plan. What about Job... God allowed all kinds of things to happen to Job and he ended up the victor when it was all said and done. Yes, although He has the power, I do not believe that God picks and choses who He saves from suffering. Again, we use His teachings to gain strength thru hardships and can learn and grow stronger thru adversity but absolutely in no way do I believe God choses who is going to suffer and who is not. . Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.
When Wayne died I couldnt even imagine the next day.. with God I found that peace and the strength . I cant explain it.. my daddy always has a peace and calm about him.. even in hard times.. I never understood it. never.. until wayne died and I turned to God more then ever.. it was the only way to make it thru.. ever since then I find my peace .my faith is strong . I trust in him to bring me thru whatever happens in my life.when all around me is in chaos I pray and i find my balance in my life again. He is there to lean on, to guide us , to be our strength. no matter what you have to go thru. he will walk you thru it if you just have faith in him..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2015-04-17 7:44 PM
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Location: Arkansas | horsesinharleton - 2015-04-17 4:30 PM
Where is God when all the evil is going on in the world? The same place He was when He allowed His precious Son to die a terribly cruel death on a cross like a common criminal! He was on His throne in heaven knowing from the beginning of time that the day would come when Jesus would die for all of us. How fair was that??? He never did anything wrong or deserved the punishment and death He endured for us!! The Bible teaches that God’s ways are higher than our ways. If we had all the answers WE would be God. Oh, yes… God could step in at any time and call a halt to time itself and stop all the evil that goes on in the world (and one day Jesus is coming back to do just that). But He loves us enough that He does not make us love Him – He gives us that choice, just like He allows us to do whatever we choose to do… good or bad. We are not puppets or robots that He controls our every move. I do believe that He has a perfect plan for every one of us and I can guarantee it doesn’t involve doing bad things. Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. That’s what God’s plan is for us. Unfortunately, we all choose to make choices that He would not make for us!
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Location: East Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-04-17 8:48 PM
horsesinharleton - 2015-04-17 4:30 PM
Where is God when all the evil is going on in the world? The same place He was when He allowed His precious Son to die a terribly cruel death on a cross like a common criminal! He was on His throne in heaven knowing from the beginning of time that the day would come when Jesus would die for all of us. How fair was that??? He never did anything wrong or deserved the punishment and death He endured for us!! The Bible teaches that God’s ways are higher than our ways. If we had all the answers WE would be God. Oh, yes… God could step in at any time and call a halt to time itself and stop all the evil that goes on in the world (and one day Jesus is coming back to do just that). But He loves us enough that He does not make us love Him – He gives us that choice, just like He allows us to do whatever we choose to do… good or bad. We are not puppets or robots that He controls our every move. I do believe that He has a perfect plan for every one of us and I can guarantee it doesn’t involve doing bad things. Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. That’s what God’s plan is for us. Unfortunately, we all choose to make choices that He would not make for us!
My grandmother would give that a big Amen, and I will too!
Sometimes I feel that I need to defend God and the Bible. My husband, the actual preacher of the family, tells me that my actions and the way I treat people is the best kind of witness. Sometimes we use words!! | |
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