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Location: Where I am happiest | Ashton94 - 2015-04-20 7:00 AM So is it the kill buyer who has her priced at $950. I just don't understand why she is so expensive. I am no expert by any means on these horses by any means and I have never dealt with this girl or KB but I can tell you what I DO know from rescueing the one we did and long talks with the liason in the N.W.. I guess it depends all on how you look at it. If you look at it by weight, yes, she is expensive. If you look at it for who and what she is, then no, she's cheap. Kill Buyers buy these horses at auction and they have to fill a truck. The average joe like you and me cant be at all these local auction. They buy without regard on who or what they are. They just have to fill a truck. It doesnt matter how old or young or what papers they have or how well broke. The few K.B. that will allow a liason to list a few horses really view it as a pain in the a$$ and then another horse has to take that horses place on the truck because again, he has to fill the truck. It really is a very ugly business and I hate to say it BUT, in the case of mares w/ foals, if they need to fill a load, they just seperate that mare and foal, run her in the load and leave the foal behind. Many just shoot the foal. Looking at the video, this foal is just a few days old at best. 1 - 3 days old is my guess.
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Location: sunny california | I think that one is going to get saved. I tried to message a couple people and have not got a response so hopefully all is good |
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Location: Texas | ThreeCorners, please excuse me and my lack of coffee, I have questions...
Do you have to have a Facebook to see when these horses are available?
How often do they sell horses like this via Facebook, or website if there is one?
Is there a 'sale barn' there in Oklahoma this happens at regularly?
How is their price determined?
There is a well known horse sale here, in Texas; at times very nice, papered horses would go through it, but I also saw some not so nice, neglected horses as well. If horses bought there were going to Mexico (I'm willing to bet that number was high) it was either very discrete or 'under the table'. I'm guessing it's more public in Oklahoma?
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Location: Where I am happiest | EqualRanch - 2015-04-20 8:06 AM ThreeCorners, please excuse me and my lack of coffee, I have questions...
Do you have to have a Facebook to see when these horses are available?
How often do they sell horses like this via Facebook, or website if there is one?
Is there a 'sale barn' there in Oklahoma this happens at regularly?
How is their price determined?
There is a well known horse sale here, in Texas; at times very nice, papered horses would go through it, but I also saw some not so nice, neglected horses as well. If horses bought there were going to Mexico (I'm willing to bet that number was high) it was either very discrete or 'under the table'. I'm guessing it's more public in Oklahoma?
Very curious and hope someone can educate me....
It's all once a month sale barns that the kill buyers target.They just dont announce the horse went to a kill buyer. Last year 140,000 horses went to Mexico direct to slaughter. The USDA has the stats and it is public information. The girl who lists some of the OK. horses you can go to her page where this mare is listed and friend her on facebook and then will get all her listings. She would probably know if there is someone in Texas. The NW girl has "Auction Horses" . https://www.facebook.com/AuctionHorsesWA?fref=ts
Sabrina is her name. https://www.facebook.com/sabrinasparklepants?fref=ts |
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Location: Texas | I just scrolled through the "Auction Horses" page, I knew it would make me mad, which is why I will not watch the video.
Can someone PLEASE explain to me, because in all my years of life I have yet to understand, how people can drop off such neglected, starved horses and NOT get reported for animal cruelty?! How can people be allowed to make money off of a dying horse AND have no consequences whatsoever.
It makes me sick to think about people who can watch an animal starve and have to fight for its life, only for the same heartless person to get PAID for it! |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Is there anyone close to there that could pick up and house this pair for me untill we can get there to pick her up if I was to buy her?
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Ashton94 - 2015-04-20 7:00 AM So is it the kill buyer who has her priced at $950. I just don't understand why she is so expensive.
I agree. But I have no idea what the horse meat market price is these days? Is that for her and her foal? And who is the foal by, did I overlook that? |
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Location: Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-04-20 9:08 AM Is there anyone close to there that could pick up and house this pair for me untill we can get there to pick her up if I was to buy her?
Will they hold the mare and foal, if you purchase through PayPal? |
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| TurnLane - 2015-04-20 9:15 AM
Ashton94 - 2015-04-20 7:00 AM So is it the kill buyer who has her priced at $950. I just don't understand why she is so expensive.
I agree. But I have no idea what the horse meat market price is these days? Is that for her and her foal? And who is the foal by, did I overlook that?
I would guess theyre trying to profit... the "auction horses" page, those horses go for their meat value. $300-$400 typically. I would go get her if she wasnt so far away. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | EqualRanch - 2015-04-20 9:22 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-04-20 9:08 AM Is there anyone close to there that could pick up and house this pair for me untill we can get there to pick her up if I was to buy her? Will they hold the mare and foal, if you purchase through PayPal?
I do not know. I am trying to make contact to get ducks in a row. She is over 1000 miles away so I have to have a plan prior to paying for her. My husband wants her, but I need to know we have arrangements in place. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | So this is what I have learned. The mare is now "Pending" with a home and buyer says they are picking this pair up today. So YAY! The lesson here is the owner died, so this nice mare and foal found themselves in a terrible situation due to family just dumping her. So please, I see this scenerio all to often when I see the listings. So please make arrangements now and put it in writing what to do with your animals. Who gets them so they do not end up dumped and in a kill buyers hands.
The other thing I learned, just as a side note, I did call AQHA and explained the situation. They CAN and WILL cross reference the mare to see what stallion report the mare shows up on to facilitate registration of the foal.
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-04-20 10:10 AM So this is what I have learned. The mare is now "Pending" with a home and buyer says they are picking this pair up today. So YAY! The lesson here is the owner died, so this nice mare and foal found themselves in a terrible situation due to family just dumping her. So please, I see this scenerio all to often when I see the listings. So please make arrangements now and put it in writing what to do with your animals. Who gets them so they do not end up dumped and in a kill buyers hands.
The other thing I learned, just as a side note, I did call AQHA and explained the situation. They CAN and WILL cross reference the mare to see what stallion report the mare shows up on to facilitate registration of the foal.
That is awesome! It seems like registries can be such a pain in the butt to work with sometimes, but glad to see they're willing to help in cases like this! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-04-20 9:36 AM EqualRanch - 2015-04-20 9:22 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-04-20 9:08 AM Is there anyone close to there that could pick up and house this pair for me untill we can get there to pick her up if I was to buy her? Will they hold the mare and foal, if you purchase through PayPal?
I hope that it works out for you getting the mare and baby. Got my fingers cross for you and hubby
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| These people make a living off the bleeding hearts of others. The slaughter price is at about .30/lb plus what it costs them to ship. It will cost a kill buyer 100-200 to have them on a truck to mexico and then they'll only get $300 for the horse, leaving them with $100 profit IF they got the horses for free. Most have to pay at least 100-200 for a horse. They know they will make more money off the horses if they can find someone to feel sorry for the horse and buy it. So... they tell you, "please help save the horses, will be sent to killers if not sold by tonight" and so on and so on. The ones they can get sold to other people will help them make enough profit to send the rest on the trucks to Mexico..... This "Auction Lot Horses", they get in semi truck loads of horses, sell what they can, for twice as much as they paid for the horse in the first place, and then ship the rest to Mexico and Canada. I'm not against slaughter but I hate it when people take advantage of other people with sob stories and lies! |
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Location: SW MO | Here at our local monthly sale - loose horses ran through at the end of the sale are bring over 550 a head |
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| crossspur - 2015-04-20 11:18 AM
Here at our local monthly sale - loose horses ran through at the end of the sale are bring over 550 a head
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| FlyingJT - 2015-04-20 11:25 AM
crossspur - 2015-04-20 11:18 AM
Here at our local monthly sale - loose horses ran through at the end of the sale are bring over 550 a head
550!!
We paid $300 for a mare at auction - bid against the kill buyer, he wouldnt pay more than $300 for her. (thankfully) |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-04-20 11:05 AM
These people make a living off the bleeding hearts of others. The slaughter price is at about .30/lb plus what it costs them to ship. It will cost a kill buyer 100-200 to have them on a truck to mexico and then they'll only get $300 for the horse, leaving them with $100 profit IF they got the horses for free. Most have to pay at least 100-200 for a horse. They know they will make more money off the horses if they can find someone to feel sorry for the horse and buy it. So... they tell you, "please help save the horses, will be sent to killers if not sold by tonight" and so on and so on. The ones they can get sold to other people will help them make enough profit to send the rest on the trucks to Mexico..... This "Auction Lot Horses", they get in semi truck loads of horses, sell what they can, for twice as much as they paid for the horse in the first place, and then ship the rest to Mexico and Canada. I'm not against slaughter but I hate it when people take advantage of other people with sob stories and lies!
I didn't realize the market had dropped! The last person I knew sending horses to Mexico was being paid $500-$900 a head from the Mexican buyers! |
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| cyount2009 - 2015-04-20 12:06 PM
FlyingJT - 2015-04-20 11:05 AM
These people make a living off the bleeding hearts of others. The slaughter price is at about .30/lb plus what it costs them to ship. It will cost a kill buyer 100-200 to have them on a truck to mexico and then they'll only get $300 for the horse, leaving them with $100 profit IF they got the horses for free. Most have to pay at least 100-200 for a horse. They know they will make more money off the horses if they can find someone to feel sorry for the horse and buy it. So... they tell you, "please help save the horses, will be sent to killers if not sold by tonight" and so on and so on. The ones they can get sold to other people will help them make enough profit to send the rest on the trucks to Mexico..... This "Auction Lot Horses", they get in semi truck loads of horses, sell what they can, for twice as much as they paid for the horse in the first place, and then ship the rest to Mexico and Canada. I'm not against slaughter but I hate it when people take advantage of other people with sob stories and lies!
I didn't realize the market had dropped! The last person I knew sending horses to Mexico was being paid $500-$900 a head from the Mexican buyers!
I think you are right, in February I think the price was 65.00 cwt, I was writing angry! But that's still a small margin of profit after buying and shipping. |
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Location: Arkansas | Update on Momma and Babe???? I have been unable to get them off my mind all day |
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