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Location: Kentucky | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-21 11:55 AM
Murphy - 2015-04-21 10:20 AM Does anyone know of a place I can send my TC feed to get it tests for mineral imbalance? Specificially sulfur toxicity? Â
OADDL at OSU was the lab that found the toxic level of sulfur in the Triple Crown Sr that I mentioned to you. Â Dr. Sandra Morgan or Dr. Grant RezabekÂ
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Have you thought that their could be grazing toxins problems since horses graze far more than they should eat grain? It might be chemicals for weed control or general toxicity from fertilizer? GMO ingredients in the feed. It could even be over spray from neighbors if you do not spray the pasture. Do you have your hay and pasture grass tested yearly? I wonder because of the fescue problem in brood mares and how it effects the placenta.
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Location: Beggs, OK | My intent is not to mass diagnose...only to enlighten, inform, and raise awareness. I have questioned all of these things at some point in the past few months...The only thing I know is that I'm narrowing down a list of definite culprits for my horses conditions with information that is backed up with suggestions from veterinary toxicologists. |
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| Zebra racer - 2015-04-21 11:16 AM
Have you thought that their could be grazing toxins problems since horses graze far more than they should eat grain? It might be chemicals for weed control or general toxicity from fertilizer? GMO ingredients in the feed. It could even be over spray from neighbors if you do not spray the pasture. Do you have your hay and pasture grass tested yearly? I wonder because of the fescue problem in brood mares and how it effects the placenta.
Yes I do worry about this. We live surrounded by farm fields. Consequently, we are sprayed alot. For this reason, I refuse to let my husband cut down the mesquite trees that line our fence because we get a east wind and the tress are on the east fence. I also periodically use Animal Element detox on my animals and me. I feel it really does help detox us all. We don't fertilize the pasture, either, with chemicals. I feed Renew Gold partly because it is Non GMO. But I think people often forget the importance of keeping those teeth in great shape, too. I had an unthrifty gelding that had had his teeth done maybe 6 months before, but winwillows told me to get them checked. Sure enough, he had some hooks that needed attention. It was amazing how fast he turned around. That was the only thing I changed. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | GLP - 2015-04-21 3:13 PM Zebra racer - 2015-04-21 11:16 AM Have you thought that their could be grazing toxins problems since horses graze far more than they should eat grain? It might be chemicals for weed control or general toxicity from fertilizer? GMO ingredients in the feed. It could even be over spray from neighbors if you do not spray the pasture. Do you have your hay and pasture grass tested yearly? I wonder because of the fescue problem in brood mares and how it effects the placenta. Yes I do worry about this. We live surrounded by farm fields. Consequently, we are sprayed alot. For this reason, I refuse to let my husband cut down the mesquite trees that line our fence because we get a east wind and the tress are on the east fence. I also periodically use Animal Element detox on my animals and me. I feel it really does help detox us all. We don't fertilize the pasture, either, with chemicals. I feed Renew Gold partly because it is Non GMO. But I think people often forget the importance of keeping those teeth in great shape, too. I had an unthrifty gelding that had had his teeth done maybe 6 months before, but winwillows told me to get them checked. Sure enough, he had some hooks that needed attention. It was amazing how fast he turned around. That was the only thing I changed.
If they're drifting on you and refuse to stop doing it, you can file a complaint with your state's regulatory agency--in Arkansas, that's the State Plant Board. Drift should not be happening because it's wasteful and can be harmful to other people's health and property--there are methods to minimize it unless the wind is too high to be making applications to begin with or the temperature change at a certain time of day creates an inversion. We have to put off applications all the time to avoid drifting onto neighboring fields or houses. You wait until the conditions are right. Now, that said, there are some chemicals that a small amount of residue is going to disperse into the air and stink to high heaven. Cotton defoliant is one. It has to make contact to damage anything, but the smell goes everywhere. Chicken crap fertilizer is another. LOL |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/04/14/1419685112 Speaking of GMO, it turns out what we're doing isn't so un-natural after all. Scientists recently mapped the sweet potato genome, and it turns out that they are transgenic and have been for a very long time. The bacteria at some point in the distant past transferred DNA and the traits expressed were then selected for by farmers over the years.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Zebra racer - 2015-04-21 11:16 AM Have you thought that their could be grazing toxins problems since horses graze far more than they should eat grain? It might be chemicals for weed control or general toxicity from fertilizer? GMO ingredients in the feed. It could even be over spray from neighbors if you do not spray the pasture. Do you have your hay and pasture grass tested yearly? I wonder because of the fescue problem in brood mares and how it effects the placenta.
My horse has a dry lot and doesn't have the luxury of being able to graze. He developed very bad gas and lost weight and just looked like crap. I changed his hay, pulled him off of his supplements and he still had terrible gas. It was when I took him off of the Triple Crown Sr is when the gas ended. I called Triple Crown and gave them info off of the bag and they told me to throw it out and gave me a certificate for a replacement. I would have rather had my money refunded. I'm feeding the replacement to our deer. |
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Location: NE Texas | SG. - 2015-04-21 10:53 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-21 9:22 AM I'm so glad that we are all seeing some positive changes! The scariest part of all of this to me is that random sample testing does not include anything that shouldn't be in our feed. The only time feed is tested for contaminants is if there is suspicion. We must be diligent in testing if you think that there is even the slightest possibility that your feed could be causing a problem. I don't think that there are nearly as many truly "hard keepers" in the world as we think there are. From what I've seen these horses are very likely affected by this problem and might be dealing with malabsorption issues caused by intestinal inflammation. Chronic low dose exposure to antibiotics that may not be toxic to horses at that level will still kill off the good bacteria in their gut....Ionophores are not the only problem. Ok light bulb moment. Without proper healthy gut flora you can get increased colonic ulcers, cramping, diarrhea, constipation, compromised immune system, nutient uptake problems etc. interesting big picture view
To add to this even a bit more, in researching what has been going on with my horse and his respiratory issues, I was advised to give him 30cc of French's yellow mustard for 5 days in a row, and with it I did see improvement. Through that I began researching what is in the mustard that is making the difference in him and found that it is problem the curcurmin in it. Through that finding and discussing Curcurmin with canchasr1, and finding the success her mom has had using it for inflammation and other allergic responses, I found this company and their supplements. The leader in this research is a veterinarian and the reason he got started on this is exactly the reason I was researching....that all of us are researching actually....we take a horse in that is showing a symptom, which our vet treats, but we never really get to the bottom of what is causing the symptom. We put a band-aid on to treat the symptom we can see and roll on. Well I decided I wanted to know what was causing all of these symptoms, as my horse was unresponsive and unimproved with corticosteroids and other traditional treatments and was very sick. Through emailing Dr. Schell and him actually explaining things to me how the "leaky gut" and weakened immune system can and does affect every aspect of our horse from allergies, to inflamed joints, to laminitis, and on and on. I have purchased the supplements based on what he advised. My horse is also already on the Bluebonnet thanks to SG, and i'm hopeful that after a while we get healthy without the use of steroids and other drugs.
Read this and see if this doesn't describe exactly what we're discussing here.....just not giving the reason why the intestines aren't functioning like they should. Read the research that has been done on curcurmin and how it affects the body. I'm hoping this is one more step in getting my horse where he needs to be without rushing it. Actually allowing him to heal from the inside out and giving him the time to actually get healthy. http://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/about-us/our-story |
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Location: Here | Thank you Herbie for sharing this info!! Yeah for you finding answers. I am simply amazed at how much better my horses look since I changed feeds.
We are making a difference with sharing this knowledge so keep sharing
as far as drift is concerned 3fl is very correct. Drift isn't and shouldn't be an issue. |
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Location: NE Texas | SG. - 2015-04-21 5:10 PM Thank you Herbie for sharing this info!! Yeah for you finding answers. I am simply amazed at how much better my horses look since I changed feeds.
We are making a difference with sharing this knowledge so keep sharing
as far as drift is concerned 3fl is very correct. Drift isn't and shouldn't be an issue.
I don't know if it's THE answer but I'm hopeful that it gets us on a straighter path than where we are at now. I think we are so quick as horse owners to want the quick fix and the immediate answer instead of really thinking about the causes sometimes. We want our horses back performing as quickly as possible and vets are willing to accommodate us through a quick fix. I'm hoping that in really thinking about the cause of my horses issues and trying to be patient in the treatment that I can both educate myself in the long run and have a horse who is healthy and steroid free . Fingers crossed! |
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Location: Here | Herbie - 2015-04-21 7:26 PM SG. - 2015-04-21 5:10 PM Thank you Herbie for sharing this info!! Yeah for you finding answers. I am simply amazed at how much better my horses look since I changed feeds.
We are making a difference with sharing this knowledge so keep sharing
as far as drift is concerned 3fl is very correct. Drift isn't and shouldn't be an issue. I don't know if it's THE answer but I'm hopeful that it gets us on a straighter path than where we are at now. I think we are so quick as horse owners to want the quick fix and the immediate answer instead of really thinking about the causes sometimes. We want our horses back performing as quickly as possible and vets are willing to accommodate us through a quick fix. I'm hoping that in really thinking about the cause of my horses issues and trying to be patient in the treatment that I can both educate myself in the long run and have a horse who is healthy and steroid free . Fingers crossed!
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-21 4:20 PM
GLP - 2015-04-21 3:13 PM Zebra racer - 2015-04-21 11:16 AM Have you thought that their could be grazing toxins problems since horses graze far more than they should eat grain? It might be chemicals for weed control or general toxicity from fertilizer? GMO ingredients in the feed. It could even be over spray from neighbors if you do not spray the pasture. Do you have your hay and pasture grass tested yearly? I wonder because of the fescue problem in brood mares and how it effects the placenta. Yes I do worry about this. We live surrounded by farm fields. Consequently, we are sprayed alot. For this reason, I refuse to let my husband cut down the mesquite trees that line our fence because we get a east wind and the tress are on the east fence. I also periodically use Animal Element detox on my animals and me. I feel it really does help detox us all. We don't fertilize the pasture, either, with chemicals. I feed Renew Gold partly because it is Non GMO. But I think people often forget the importance of keeping those teeth in great shape, too. I had an unthrifty gelding that had had his teeth done maybe 6 months before, but winwillows told me to get them checked. Sure enough, he had some hooks that needed attention. It was amazing how fast he turned around. That was the only thing I changed.
All I know is the crop dusting company used to call me to let me know they were spraying that day. They would tell me to stay inside while they were spraying. This year the farmer called before he had his crop sprayed. When the kids were little we would watch through the window as the crop duster flew almost level with the windows. The kids would wave at him, hoping he could see them,lol. I assume they were telling me this because of any possible drift. I appreciate that they call me. I didn't mean to sound mad, just covering all my bases health-wise.  |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-04-21 1:55 PM My intent is not to mass diagnose...only to enlighten, inform, and raise awareness. I have questioned all of these things at some point in the past few months...The only thing I know is that I'm narrowing down a list of definite culprits for my horses conditions with information that is backed up with suggestions from veterinary toxicologists.
I appreciate your vigor. I am not saying you are wrong about it always being feed related but you have to agree 80% of horses primary diet should be grazing of pasture or hay. I am not saying it is overspray iether. I was just throwing out theory for discussion. For SG to say it isnt overspray is a bit presumptious as well. Just becuase you state something matter of factly doenst make it so. I was simply asking if you have tested your hay or pasture to rule out other possible intake issues? Backed up and with suggestions do not equal fact. You are stating they agree it could be but those arent things that make miedical fact. So maybe this ADM issue that spread on Facebook several months ago will enlighten a new set of studies and then there can be cofirmed medical testing and facts. Becuase my guess is once horse owners make better choices to use ionophore free mills, we will still have many colics and deaths that go unexplained? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Zebra racer - 2015-04-22 9:50 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-21 1:55 PM My intent is not to mass diagnose...only to enlighten, inform, and raise awareness. I have questioned all of these things at some point in the past few months...The only thing I know is that I'm narrowing down a list of definite culprits for my horses conditions with information that is backed up with suggestions from veterinary toxicologists. I appreciate your vigor. I am not saying you are wrong about it always being feed related but you have to agree 80% of horses primary diet should be grazing of pasture or hay. I am not saying it is overspray iether. I was just throwing out theory for discussion. For SG to say it isnt overspray is a bit presumptious as well. Just becuase you state something matter of factly doenst make it so. I was simply asking if you have tested your hay or pasture to rule out other possible intake issues? Backed up and with suggestions do not equal fact. You are stating they agree it could be but those arent things that make miedical fact. So maybe this ADM issue that spread on Facebook several months ago will enlighten a new set of studies and then there can be cofirmed medical testing and facts. Becuase my guess is once horse owners make better choices to use ionophore free mills, we will still have many colics and deaths that go unexplained?
The ADM fisasco did happen at my home. As my husband is a farmer, one thing that is done each year is my pastures tested. We also take the hay to the local lab and have it checked, even though that comes from somewhere else.
I think a alot of issues are caused by outside sources and spray could be one of them. We also have crop dusters who work the farm when it is too wet. My husband and the neighbors are very deligent about spraying and taking pre cautions.
More people just need to be aware. I do know that since my horses are not on ADM feed, I have had no "not feeling good", no not perky days at all. Plain oats straight from the field to the bin and Renew Gold for mine.
I will stand up and keep preaching to people to not purchase nor support feed companies that mix and sell feed made on the same production line as medicated cattle feed. This includes for me, feed, minerals, supplements, etc. |
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| It is like testing feed though. You can test for specs such as protein fiber and so on but it is a whole different feed test to look for contaminants like ionophores. Your local extension agency doesn't test for bad stuff. I even think you have to ask them to test specifically for what ever thing you are searching for. So can hay be tested for poisonous residue? When you test soil they test for nitrogen and so on. So has anyone tested for poison on grass and hay or can you even test for that? |
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Location: Here | Zebra racer - 2015-04-22 8:50 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-21 1:55 PM My intent is not to mass diagnose...only to enlighten, inform, and raise awareness. I have questioned all of these things at some point in the past few months...The only thing I know is that I'm narrowing down a list of definite culprits for my horses conditions with information that is backed up with suggestions from veterinary toxicologists. I appreciate your vigor. I am not saying you are wrong about it always being feed related but you have to agree 80% of horses primary diet should be grazing of pasture or hay. I am not saying it is overspray iether. I was just throwing out theory for discussion. For SG to say it isnt overspray is a bit presumptious as well. Just becuase you state something matter of factly doenst make it so. I was simply asking if you have tested your hay or pasture to rule out other possible intake issues? Backed up and with suggestions do not equal fact. You are stating they agree it could be but those arent things that make miedical fact. So maybe this ADM issue that spread on Facebook several months ago will enlighten a new set of studies and then there can be cofirmed medical testing and facts. Becuase my guess is once horse owners make better choices to use ionophore free mills, we will still have many colics and deaths that go unexplained?
I guess I am confused. Ionophores are not sprayed by farmers so I can't possibly see how ionophore poisoning can happen from Farmers spraying. My husband sprayed thousands of acres every year and drift as 3fL stated is wasteful and is a big no no. Herbicides do not have ionophores in them.
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Location: Here | Chicken litter and cow manure aren't sprayed they are spread and there is no drift on spread |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Zebra racer - 2015-04-22 1:27 PM It is like testing feed though. You can test for specs such as protein fiber and so on but it is a whole different feed test to look for contaminants like ionophores. Your local extension agency doesn't test for bad stuff. I even think you have to ask them to test specifically for what ever thing you are searching for. So can hay be tested for poisonous residue? When you test soil they test for nitrogen and so on. So has anyone tested for poison on grass and hay or can you even test for that?
Yes, you can test for pesticide residue, but I think it's a different lab than nutrient testing. Either way, your local extension agent can get it done for you. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Zebra racer - 2015-04-22 2:27 PM It is like testing feed though. You can test for specs such as protein fiber and so on but it is a whole different feed test to look for contaminants like ionophores. Your local extension agency doesn't test for bad stuff. I even think you have to ask them to test specifically for what ever thing you are searching for. So can hay be tested for poisonous residue? When you test soil they test for nitrogen and so on. So has anyone tested for poison on grass and hay or can you even test for that? My feed was not tested by the local extension agent, but he was quite helpful. I have more sense then you imply. It was sent to Thompson Bishop Sparks State Diagnostic Lab in Auburn AL. Yes you can have your feed and hay tested there. For a whole list of items. From Cyanide, Nitrates and Nitrites, minerals, etc. There are quite a few. Go to their web page and look.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SG. - 2015-04-22 1:47 PM
Chicken litter and cow manure aren't sprayed they are spread and there is no drift on spreadÂ
No, but it will stink up the atmosphere for miles around. LOL which was my point--just because you smell it doesn't necessarily mean where you are is contaminated. I get what zebra is saying, and accidents DO happen, but they are rare. Or should be. And anything used on pasture or hay, if the label is followed (as required by law), residue will not be a problem because the chemical will have broken down long before an animal sees it. All that is tested out thoroughly before being approved. It's tough to get new products to market these days.
Think about this. Deer get in fields and eat with no respect for re-entry times or grazing restrictions and they are exposed to things we wouldn't use on hay or pasture. They eat every part of GMO crops. And yet, I haven't seen any sort of decline or unthriftiness in the deer population. |
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