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Location: Texas | I don't blame you at all for waiting to see.
For 2016 I am really torn on what I am going to do.
There are a few lesser known studs that I am really drawn to this year for 2016 breedings, but I know resale will be a problem.
So I am not sure what my plan is for that.
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Location: My own little world :) | astreakinchic - 2015-04-29 7:54 AM
Well right now everyone is real big on darkelly bc of kellys chick. Your mare is decent but she's no blue hen so she's not gonna jump out and catch the eye of futurity ppl, and some will shy away because of the beduino. I'd hang onto him, put a handle on him, and try him myself just so I could see the mind and athleticism slick is throwing first hand..chances are your going to get a higher price. But if he don't turn out to be what your looking for sale as a late 2 or early 3 while ppl think he is still going to be a hot rod futurity colt LOL
ETA that is a gorgeous mare! Do you have a picture of her setting up in under herself you can add?
Thank you :) I don't have any pictures of her right now...the picture on all breed was from the previous owner and I really hate it. She looks all goofy and disproportionate. I'll see if I can get one tomorrow. So far i am really happy with her temperament and the temperament of the two year old filly I have out of her. That filly is by a stud with Strawfly Special, Pie In the Sky, and Beduino on his papers. Why do people shy away from Beduino bred horses? So far I really like this filly...she is very laid back but all I have done is ground work so far so I'm not sure what she will be like under saddle. | |
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| Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel ....
Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love ..
If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 5:27 AM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I personally love some beduino horses but I have seen ones that just cannot take pressure and its the pressure part futurity ppl will shy from...
I know not everyone does futurities but anytime you talk about the value of young horses I feel like your target audience is futurity ppl
I don't care for the Mr Eye Opener bred horses, had one that would work amazing at home but take him to a show and he'd be like "squirrel"! He finally settled out and made a decent rodeo/jackpot mount for his owner around the age of 8. | |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ...  That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
I agree and don't agree with this. I bred to BJO when he wasn't considered "proven" I bred to him because I loved his style and what he accomplished with different riders. To me proven is what they can accomplish even before they start breeding. He also wasn't a designer bloodline and I had a lot of people tell me I was crazy. I took into effect the type of mares he was being bred to and couldn't see how his babies wouldn't excell. Boy, am I glad I bred to him when I did because I couldn't afford it now! And his babies are going at a pretty good price tag. I believe the same in Slick. I'm pretty sure I will breed my FWF mare to him next year. He has bred to some pretty amazing mares, he is a great outcross and has color and won under different riders. How could you go wrong with those chances? | |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-30 7:40 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 5:27 AM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I personally love some beduino horses but I have seen ones that just cannot take pressure and its the pressure part futurity ppl will shy from... I know not everyone does futurities but anytime you talk about the value of young horses I feel like your target audience is futurity ppl I don't care for the Mr Eye Opener bred horses, had one that would work amazing at home but take him to a show and he'd be like "squirrel"! He finally settled out and made a decent rodeo/jackpot mount for his owner around the age of 8.
I have seen so many beautiful, big Beduino horses but I have also heard horrible things about them. It definetely shys me away. From the different things I am told, they are very fragile minded and hot. Some people this isnt a deal breaker and some people love hot horses. I am not one of them. | |
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| RHRanch - 2015-04-30 8:56 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
They handed BJO well. Meaning they hand picked some quality mares and they got his babies into good hands. Not that high point performance horses isn't doing that but I just don't agree with how many they bred and who they bred to for his first year out. I feel like Firewaterontherocks has been managed smarter than any other stallion in his early years. Robin hand picked great mares and got those babies into great hands and they have excelled. She went in with an excellent marketing plan and set him up to be a big dog. | |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 12:27 PM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I've ridden several Beduino grandget and two of them were straight run offs. Two others had a ton of speed but they didn't have any turn. I used to be located in southern California and we had a ton of resale prospects from Los Al that go on to be barrel prospects. Alot of the race sires who have Beduino on the bottom have a reputation for putting too much speed and not enough turn/brains. I personally shy away from Mr Eye Opener because the two I've ridden were nuts. | |
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Location: God's country | RHRanch - 2015-04-30 7:56 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
This is the way I felt when I decided on SBD last year. I have talked to a vet that has worked on him personally and he has nothing but wonderful things to say about him. Says he's his favorite stallion going down the road. I felt that if he produced like he performs he will be way more expensive in the future. I appreciate his owners keeping him affordable, but do wish they had limited his book a little more. I bred mine to keep since it was this mare's first baby and I want to see how she produces. We got a pretty little dark bay filly, so I was tickled with that. It will be interesting to see how his get do in the future. | |
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| There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June! | |
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| RHRanch - 2015-04-30 7:56 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
I also bred to BJO before he became HOT and SO glad I did ! I also bought a yearling and bred two mares to him this year. BUT when he first started breeding I bred a mare to keep a baby so resale didn't matter. I do remember his fee was VERY reasonable for a unproven sire and that is what I am getting at. I think they set SBD up to be a outstanding producer with the mares they bred and they will get them in top trainers hands so the rest is left up to him so to speak. | |
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| westrnridr - 2015-04-30 6:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
How many mares are you going to breed him to this year? | |
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| caboy61 - 2015-04-30 7:14 PM
westrnridr - 2015-04-30 6:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
How many mares are you going to breed him to this year?
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| I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands, that being said, we obviously don't know what Slick will produce yet. However, it is a FACT that he holds the record for the fastest time a stallion has run at the NFR. He himself is very proven, which we don't see that often with barrel horse stallions. He is a great outcross in the barrel industry, and having both ridden him and lead him to the dummy to collect, he is an amazing individual. I personally think you'd be smart to breed to him now, before his babies start winning everything and that stud fee goes up. | |
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| cnchaser1486 - 2015-04-30 8:55 PM
I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands,
and yet here you are.
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| westrnridr - 2015-04-30 6:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
I think you have done a great job promoting slick. If I were into the breeding business, Slick is the kinda stud I would breed to. Proven himself with the blood to back him up. Those are the kind of studs bettering the industry!  | |
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| arion - 2015-05-01 4:39 AM
cnchaser1486 - 2015-04-30 8:55 PM
I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands,
and yet here you are.
and so are you. Nasty comments like the "726" is not needed regarding someone's business. I think it is terrible to try to bring a business down before it even has a chance to be started. Why don't you wait and see and let his get speak for themselves before you do it for them.  | |
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| westrnridr - 2015-04-30 7:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
Anyway you'd share pictures of those two jr studs?!?! Pretty please?  | |
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| I don't think anyone intended for this to become a degrading or nasty post in anyway :) I LOVE watching Slick run and love to hear fellow breeders thoughts. I think we can all see his owners are wonderful and business smart people and we don't know how we would approach it if we ever had the chance to own such a awesome individual. | |
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