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I do believe CA has implemented the new rule that a horse in a claiming race that gets claimed and breaks down the claim is VOIDÂ
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:21 PM May I ask what they generally go for?
It depends on what state your running in. California runs 2,500 claiming races where other parts of the country the lowest is $5,000. In Oklahoma the lowest claiming race on a TB maiden is $7,500 |
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Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:21 PM Â May I ask what they generally go for?
It depends on what state your running in. California runs 2,500 claiming races where other parts of the country the lowest is $5,000. In Oklahoma the lowest claiming race on a TB maiden is $7,500Â
Do they run claims on QHs? Hate to be so nosey as its not something I'll probably ever do... But I can't help but be curious! Lol |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:31 PM total performance - 2015-04-30 10:26 PM Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:21 PM May I ask what they generally go for? It depends on what state your running in. California runs 2,500 claiming races where other parts of the country the lowest is $5,000. In Oklahoma the lowest claiming race on a TB maiden is $7,500 Do they run claims on QHs? Hate to be so nosey as its not something I'll probably ever do... But I can't help but be curious! Lol
Sure do. Lowest claiming price in OK is $5,000 |
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| Horses are entered in claimers normally bc they aren't coming along quickly enough or just don't make the cut. We have 3 at the track right now. A 3 yr old derby horse and 2 two yr old fillies. One of the 2 yr olds has gotten sick and just isn't coming along as quickly. She's better now but will probably be entered in a claimer. Training alone for one horse is approximately $1200 per month plus vet bills and entry fees. I want to bring the filly home to sell as barrel prospect. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | iloveequine40 - 2015-05-01 4:53 AM Horses are entered in claimers normally bc they aren't coming along quickly enough or just don't make the cut. We have 3 at the track right now. A 3 yr old derby horse and 2 two yr old fillies. One of the 2 yr olds has gotten sick and just isn't coming along as quickly. She's better now but will probably be entered in a claimer. Training alone for one horse is approximately $1200 per month plus vet bills and entry fees. I want to bring the filly home to sell as barrel prospect.
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM
I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Â Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? Â A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed.
 Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. |
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rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM
I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Â Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? Â A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed.
 Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside.
^^^^^^^ THIS
I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so! |
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| Great post! So are you bidding against others on these horses? and are you paying much for them when you do claim one? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Not bidding. If there are 3 people trying to claim the same horse, they draw and one will win the claim. We have a few 3500 claiming races and 5000 for our lowest claimers.
Some trainers try to slip a good horse in a lower claiming race too, occasionally, for an easy win. It's knowing the "good stables," doing your research, watching the horses, talking to people on the back side, etc.....in the end, it's still just a gamble and a lot of excitement. Never go in to it without money that you are willing to lose. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
Honestly, I don't get all the butthurt stuff when it comes to claiming horses, when you put one in a claiming race, it is for sale. If you don't want to sell it, then run him in an allowance or take him home. If you are trying to steal a race by running a nice horse cheap then you have no right to whine if he gets claimed and it shouldn't matter who claims him.
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Barnmom - 2015-05-01 8:58 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
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| This sounds so exciting!!! I didnt realize they did claiming races on QH... I dont know why, it just never dawned on me.
I will say though, the "claimers" out there tug at my heart strings. I had a rescue in for training, she literally had the black beauty story but she was first claimed 47 times in 2 years. No wonder she had zero trust for humans. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | LRQHS - 2015-05-01 9:02 AM Barnmom - 2015-05-01 8:58 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
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| Barnmom - 2015-05-01 9:58 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Â Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? Â A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Â Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.Â
I understand your point of view and absolutely agree, but I'm in a position where I don't need to butt hurt owners that might send me something LOL
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Â Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? Â A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Â Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.Â
HERE! HERE! I was thinking the exact same thing!!!!! If you enter a claiming race and someone has the money, and you lose the horse, what do you expect? I am not into the racing world so I have no idea but sounds like a bunch of inside cliq craziness. lol |
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Â Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? Â A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Â Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.Â
 Most of the time it isn't about stealing a race. In my case, the horse was behind and a claim was the only race we could get him in for experience prior to derby trials. The trainer tried for 4 weeks to get him in any race that wasn't a claim and he simply couldn't. We gambled and almost lost a horse with a 72 speed index and $0 winnings in a $5,000 claim because someone was looking for that specific horse after seeing him at our house when they purchased a yearling. There were by far better horses in his claim race. Even other trainers were scratching their heads about him being claimed and asking why. As for the rest of your rather snarky post...don't shoot the messenger. You might not like the unwritten rules of the track world but they are what they are. Most of the time when a claim falls through, the potential claimer usually goes to the trainer and tries to work a deal to get the horse. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | SKM - 2015-05-01 9:25 AM Barnmom - 2015-05-01 7:58 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are. Most of the time it isn't about stealing a race. In my case, the horse was behind and a claim was the only race we could get him in for experience prior to derby trials. The trainer tried for 4 weeks to get him in any race that wasn't a claim and he simply couldn't. We gambled and almost lost a horse with a 72 speed index and $0 winnings in a $5,000 claim because someone was looking for that specific horse after seeing him at our house when they purchased a yearling. There were by far better horses in his claim race. Even other trainers were scratching their heads about him being claimed and asking why. As for the rest of your rather snarky post...don't shoot the messenger. You might not like the unwritten rules of the track world but they are what they are. Most of the time when a claim falls through, the potential claimer usually goes to the trainer and tries to work a deal to get the horse.
One of our very best clients came to us because we claimed a horse they raised for $3200 and turned him in to a stakes horse. So as far as I am concerned, you have just as much of a chance of getting new clients than you do ****ing a potential client off. If an owner does get mad because I claim thier horse that is something they need to take up with thier trainer, not my problem.
I do understand not being able to get one in a race, but if I don't want to lose the horse then that horses first race may just have to be in the trials. A good horse is a good horse with or without a prep race, again jmo, take it or leave it.
I look very closely at the list of horses that are paid to date in a futurity or derby. If someone wants to make a bunch of payments then drop the horse in for a tag the all the better for me if I can improve the horse.
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