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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | TheOldGrayMare - 2015-05-07 2:20 PM
Have you tried treating him for ulcers? Ulcers will make them do goofy things. Especially if you are graining him or feeding him something they weren't. I'm not taking sides on who is right or wrong or whatever, but just something I would try. Also, if I was buying a horse for a particular use (i.e. cattle work) I would be trying them on cattle or gotten videos of him doing such before I bought especially since you said it took you a few weeks to make the purchase. I have made that mistake myself and learned from it.
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | bullwoman - 2015-05-07 2:51 PM Would love to trade, since I have been out of the rodeo life for awhile, Don't know you to trust!
Don't trust anybody. I am writing a book now about my horse buying experiences over the years. I have some stories. I got to the point where I considered asking, before I drove out there to look at a horse, "Can you tell me if, in fact, is it an actual horse?" That's how much they were not what they were supposed to be.
I doubt it's your fault. You won saddles in the past for god's sake; I'm sure you know how to handle a horse. He's probably a fine horse but not for team penning. And you don't feel like dealing with a project. You want to have fun! Sell him now to a more appropriate home while it's still spring time and the market is active and get yourself a better match. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | SmokinBandits - 2015-05-07 9:52 PM bullwoman - 2015-05-07 2:51 PM Would love to trade, since I have been out of the rodeo life for awhile, Don't know you to trust! Don't trust anybody. I am writing a book now about my horse buying experiences over the years. I have some stories. I got to the point where I considered asking, before I drove out there to look at a horse, "Can you tell me if, in fact, is it an actual horse?" That's how much they were not what they were supposed to be.
I doubt it's your fault. You won saddles in the past for god's sake; I'm sure you know how to handle a horse. He's probably a fine horse but not for team penning. And you don't feel like dealing with a project. You want to have fun! Sell him now to a more appropriate home while it's still spring time and the market is active and get yourself a better match.
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| bullwoman - 2015-05-07 3:22 PM Guess I didn't explain my self, I rodeo hard in the 80's won saddles, etc, so I am not a beginner rider, just took time off to have a family, now that I am getting back into it, was looking at horses, yes I rode him away from home, my mistake I didn't try him on cattle or roping, just took their word. I studied on this for a couple of weeks, then made the purchase. The next week end that's when I took him to team penning, spooked at banners, announcer, people, the Next day is when I called the previous owners, yes, No call backs, I didn't wait 7 months. All this time I have been trying to get him over this, Now I am just done with it, it should be fun at my age, not a headache
You're right. It should be fun. Life is short. Sell him and get another horse. Seven months is long enough to know whether he is what you want or not. Good luck.
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Location: The edge of no where | If you don't like him, it's pretty simple....sell him.
I still think it's crazy to be mad at the people you bought him from after 7 months, if you're going to throw a fit and say he isn't what he's supposed to be, then do it in the first month....otherwise, just go on and chalk it up to a learning experience.
Horses can be very different with different riders. Put someone that might not have as much confidence on them and a lot of them turn into spooks...or he's just messing with you. I've had a few that would booger and jump at everything, but kick them into high gear and they'd smoke a run. If they've got time to spook, then you're not going fast enough.
If you tell people where you are, board buddies can probably recommend some reputable trainers in your area to help you sell him and find something else.
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| SmokinBandits - 2015-05-07 10:52 PM
bullwoman - 2015-05-07 2:51 PM Would love to trade, since I have been out of the rodeo life for awhile, Don't know you to trust!
Don't trust anybody. I am writing a book now about my horse buying experiences over the years. I have some stories. I got to the point where I considered asking, before I drove out there to look at a horse, "Can you tell me if, in fact, is it an actual horse?" That's how much they were not what they were supposed to be.
I doubt it's your fault. You won saddles in the past for god's sake; I'm sure you know how to handle a horse. He's probably a fine horse but not for team penning. And you don't feel like dealing with a project. You want to have fun! Sell him now to a more appropriate home while it's still spring time and the market is active and get yourself a better match.
Okay I agree never trust anyone over a horse deal even a good friend. I always look at horse deals as money and business, nothing personal/emotional. I look at horses as investments and thats why we vet so much because thats my money I'm keeping safe sound and sane by vetting.
Heres the thing though I have personally sold horses to ppl and it just did not work out for them at all because they could not get with the horse. I mean after 2 weeks the horse was a raving lunatic. I've sent colts back to owners that within a week turned into nuts. Handling, management, and care have different definitions for ppl and some are wayyyyy different than the norm. My definition of broke is absolutely different than 99% of other barrel races. My definition of a good feed program is different. My definition of kid broke and bomb proof is wayyyy different than joe blow's down the street that goes to a team penning once a month.
My point is sometimes ppl are not lying, to them that horse might have been bomb proof because he didn't rear or brake into. Different ppl have different definitions and when dealing with horses you must be able to read ppl and understand what they are telling you....most ppl have trouble with this.
Example: Kid trying out a kid safe step up horse. Kid gets on horse and it'll walk, trot, and lope hatefully around not going fast but completely unbroke and no not a kids horse. It was not broke enough for the price they were asking and it definitely was not broke enough for a kid to learn on. Now if that was some kid just wanting play days and to poke around on that would be fine. But this was a kid was ready to move up from a 3/4d and was ready for more and to learn about hands and such. This horse had nothing to teach her. The owners ad read as great step up horse etc... The ad definitely fit the bill of what the kid was looking at getting, but in reality their definition of step-up horse and our definition was completely different.
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Location: Texas | astreakinchic - 2015-05-08 9:23 AM SmokinBandits - 2015-05-07 10:52 PM bullwoman - 2015-05-07 2:51 PM Would love to trade, since I have been out of the rodeo life for awhile, Don't know you to trust! Don't trust anybody. I am writing a book now about my horse buying experiences over the years. I have some stories. I got to the point where I considered asking, before I drove out there to look at a horse, "Can you tell me if, in fact, is it an actual horse?" That's how much they were not what they were supposed to be.
I doubt it's your fault. You won saddles in the past for god's sake; I'm sure you know how to handle a horse. He's probably a fine horse but not for team penning. And you don't feel like dealing with a project. You want to have fun! Sell him now to a more appropriate home while it's still spring time and the market is active and get yourself a better match. Okay I agree never trust anyone over a horse deal even a good friend. I always look at horse deals as money and business, nothing personal/emotional. I look at horses as investments and thats why we vet so much because thats my money I'm keeping safe sound and sane by vetting. Heres the thing though I have personally sold horses to ppl and it just did not work out for them at all because they could not get with the horse. I mean after 2 weeks the horse was a raving lunatic. I've sent colts back to owners that within a week turned into nuts. Handling, management, and care have different definitions for ppl and some are wayyyyy different than the norm. My definition of broke is absolutely different than 99% of other barrel races. My definition of a good feed program is different. My definition of kid broke and bomb proof is wayyyy different than joe blow's down the street that goes to a team penning once a month. My point is sometimes ppl are not lying, to them that horse might have been bomb proof because he didn't rear or brake into. Different ppl have different definitions and when dealing with horses you must be able to read ppl and understand what they are telling you....most ppl have trouble with this. Example: Kid trying out a kid safe step up horse. Kid gets on horse and it'll walk, trot, and lope hatefully around not going fast but completely unbroke and no not a kids horse. It was not broke enough for the price they were asking and it definitely was not broke enough for a kid to learn on. Now if that was some kid just wanting play days and to poke around on that would be fine. But this was a kid was ready to move up from a 3/4d and was ready for more and to learn about hands and such. This horse had nothing to teach her. The owners ad read as great step up horse etc... The ad definitely fit the bill of what the kid was looking at getting, but in reality their definition of step-up horse and our definition was completely different.
I have found when looking at kid horses that some people think that if you can manage to get a kid in the saddle... it is a kid horse lol.
I knew a guy, that would bring out a horse to a team penning, brag all night about how it was the horse's first time to see cattle. Ride it all night and you would see it for sale the next week as a "team penning" horse.
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Location: The edge of no where | astreakinchic - 2015-05-08 9:23 AM SmokinBandits - 2015-05-07 10:52 PM bullwoman - 2015-05-07 2:51 PM Would love to trade, since I have been out of the rodeo life for awhile, Don't know you to trust! Don't trust anybody. I am writing a book now about my horse buying experiences over the years. I have some stories. I got to the point where I considered asking, before I drove out there to look at a horse, "Can you tell me if, in fact, is it an actual horse?" That's how much they were not what they were supposed to be.
I doubt it's your fault. You won saddles in the past for god's sake; I'm sure you know how to handle a horse. He's probably a fine horse but not for team penning. And you don't feel like dealing with a project. You want to have fun! Sell him now to a more appropriate home while it's still spring time and the market is active and get yourself a better match. Okay I agree never trust anyone over a horse deal even a good friend. I always look at horse deals as money and business, nothing personal/emotional. I look at horses as investments and thats why we vet so much because thats my money I'm keeping safe sound and sane by vetting. Heres the thing though I have personally sold horses to ppl and it just did not work out for them at all because they could not get with the horse. I mean after 2 weeks the horse was a raving lunatic. I've sent colts back to owners that within a week turned into nuts. Handling, management, and care have different definitions for ppl and some are wayyyyy different than the norm. My definition of broke is absolutely different than 99% of other barrel races. My definition of a good feed program is different. My definition of kid broke and bomb proof is wayyyy different than joe blow's down the street that goes to a team penning once a month. My point is sometimes ppl are not lying, to them that horse might have been bomb proof because he didn't rear or brake into. Different ppl have different definitions and when dealing with horses you must be able to read ppl and understand what they are telling you....most ppl have trouble with this. Example: Kid trying out a kid safe step up horse. Kid gets on horse and it'll walk, trot, and lope hatefully around not going fast but completely unbroke and no not a kids horse. It was not broke enough for the price they were asking and it definitely was not broke enough for a kid to learn on. Now if that was some kid just wanting play days and to poke around on that would be fine. But this was a kid was ready to move up from a 3/4d and was ready for more and to learn about hands and such. This horse had nothing to teach her. The owners ad read as great step up horse etc... The ad definitely fit the bill of what the kid was looking at getting, but in reality their definition of step-up horse and our definition was completely different.
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| nance - 2015-05-07 10:26 PM bullwoman - 2015-05-07 3:22 PM Guess I didn't explain my self, I rodeo hard in the 80's won saddles, etc, so I am not a beginner rider, just took time off to have a family, now that I am getting back into it, was looking at horses, yes I rode him away from home, my mistake I didn't try him on cattle or roping, just took their word. I studied on this for a couple of weeks, then made the purchase. The next week end that's when I took him to team penning, spooked at banners, announcer, people, the Next day is when I called the previous owners, yes, No call backs, I didn't wait 7 months. All this time I have been trying to get him over this, Now I am just done with it, it should be fun at my age, not a headache You're right. It should be fun. Life is short. Sell him and get another horse. Seven months is long enough to know whether he is what you want or not. Good luck.
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Location: Missouri | I am not going to say if you got screwed or if it is something your doing. I am going to share with you my recent story of purchasing a horse and let you decide.
Bought a horse in 2011. Wanted a high dollar jam up 1-d horse. Tried 13 horses and finally found one I liked. Ran her at their place and we just clicked. Her and I were a team and she was honest and faithful. I did my research watched the videos and bought her.
Brought her home, ran her, would place in the 2-d a local shows :( she was hot at home and I could barely ride her. Started to college rodeo and that was like asking for a punishment. We started blowing off our 3rd barrel so bad we would be on the fence running home!! Contacted the lady for help. Tried EVERYTHING...some of it helped, others did not. Switched tack, injections, therapy, and even the bit (went from hackamore to snaffle) well a year came and went and we were still only placing in the 2-d with TONS of issues. I finally caved and decided on a clinic because I finally put it on that I can't ride and I need help. Went to a clinic and BOOM, We were in the 1-D! Filled my permit, won a saddle, buckles, all the good stuff. Kept all the tack the same except I now ride in a snaffle and I only pony her at home, no practice runs, no drills.
Moral of the story, some times trying different tack and having someone help you with your riding maybe just what you need. I was trying to over ride her and got in here way. Now my situation is a little different because the lady who sold her to me was in contact with me and was trying to help me click with her. I wish you the best of luck and hope you are able to find what will help you enjoy riding.
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| mlh0972 - 2015-05-08 10:53 AM
I am not going to say if you got screwed or if it is something your doing. I am going to share with you my recent story of purchasing a horse and let you decide.
Bought a horse in 2011. Wanted a high dollar jam up 1-d horse. Tried 13 horses and finally found one I liked. Ran her at their place and we just clicked. Her and I were a team and she was honest and faithful. I did my research watched the videos and bought her.
Brought her home, ran her, would place in the 2-d a local shows :( she was hot at home and I could barely ride her. Started to college rodeo and that was like asking for a punishment. We started blowing off our 3rd barrel so bad we would be on the fence running home!! Contacted the lady for help. Tried EVERYTHING...some of it helped, others did not. Switched tack, injections, therapy, and even the bit (went from hackamore to snaffle) well a year came and went and we were still only placing in the 2-d with TONS of issues. I finally caved and decided on a clinic because I finally put it on that I can't ride and I need help. Went to a clinic and BOOM, We were in the 1-D! Filled my permit, won a saddle, buckles, all the good stuff. Kept all the tack the same except I now ride in a snaffle and I only pony her at home, no practice runs, no drills.
Moral of the story, some times trying different tack and having someone help you with your riding maybe just what you need. I was trying to over ride her and got in here way. Now my situation is a little different because the lady who sold her to me was in contact with me and was trying to help me click with her. I wish you the best of luck and hope you are able to find what will help you enjoy riding.
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Location: Central Texas | bullwoman - 2015-05-07 6:38 PM
Dang, haven't complete in barrels since the 80's, but rode ranch horses, guess it's my fault the horse isn't what he supposed to be.
It may not be anyone's fault or even the horse's. I have been on both sides of this issue at one time or another. Horses, like people, are all different and react differently to different environments/people. Example.....I feel like I am a decent rider..bought a horse that was an absolute level headed, do anything you ask, gentle as can be kind of guy while the seller and I rode him at his place. Got him home and he turned into a bit of a hand full. Nothing like the day we tried him out. I made some changes to what I was doing and fortunately he settled for me but no so much for my husband. We've had him for over a year and my husband still chooses not to ride him. Is it a "man" thing the horse has, no because my son does perfectly fine with him. Appears to be the horse just accepts/prefers/feels more comfortable with certain riders. I have also sold one in the past that absolutely was everything I said he was while I owned him but not so much with the new owners. Is that the horse's fault, I don't think so. I think it's just a combination of things that could have caused it. I've had horses that worked one way for me and another way for my husband. That being said, I think I agree with those who said, sell him because he isn't making you happy but he may be a great fit for someone else and try and get what you are looking for and start enjoying riding. Good luck. | |
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Location: North Dakota | I think it is too late to deal with the previous owner. I would just disclose what the horse is and advertise it and take what you can get, even if just a few hundred bucks, its cheaper than feeding him. Six months ago I got screwed on a horse deal also. I purchased a mare from a girl in Mansfield Texas that was advertised as being the most bomb-proof dead head kid broke horse that I would ever find on the market. I went to a playday to meet the seller and ride the horse because I wanted to see the horse under the stress of all the noise and banners etc.... The horse appeared to be a dead head and walked around perfect, my kids loved all over her etc....I purchased her, my daughter excited that she would finally have a horse she could start 4H with and learn to ride. 48 hours after we get the horse home it turns into a total dangerous psycho. I have been around horses for 40 years so I know what I am doing!! I luckly rode the mare first and she broke into a bronc buck with her teeth and mouth open and grunted and bucked better than any NFR horse ever could lol!! I gave the horse 30 days with me riding and she never came out of it, she would ride a few steps and flip out. I let a race horse trainer try her and he said she was probably druged out of her mind the day I rode her at the playday. I was going to try and get her right and sell her but the day the farrier came she jumped over the top of him and kicked out with both feet, and he ducked barely missing being kicked in the head. That moment sealed her fate! All I could think about was if she had killed the farrier, he has two young boys and a wife to care for! I did contact the seller after the 48 hour blow up and she would't deal with me, would not even talk, so I know I was screwed and she had lied to get the money but what angers me the most is that she could look at my kids smiling and lie and endanger them!!!!! | |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Anybody that buys horses get a gooder at one point....i have one.....and i really thought i did my homework.....she puts on a darn good show in her tie stall after she is saddled.....i like to let her soak while i ride the others..lol...and even then when u throw a leg over u better dam well have the other foot in the stirrup fast......i wont ever sell her as im not as crooked as the ppl i bought her from......she is a small bit better but i have had her now for 5 yrs...and it was such a huge change for her to come here it took her a year to settle in..well as settled as crazy gets..lol......Good luck.....M | |
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| Kaycee - 2015-05-07 5:37 PM bullwoman - 2015-05-07 3:22 PM Guess I didn't explain my self, I rodeo hard in the 80's won saddles, etc, so I am not a beginner rider, just took time off to have a family, now that I am getting back into it, was looking at horses, yes I rode him away from home, my mistake I didn't try him on cattle or roping, just took their word. I studied on this for a couple of weeks, then made the purchase. The next week end that's when I took him to team penning, spooked at banners, announcer, people, the Next day is when I called the previous owners, yes, No call backs, I didn't wait 7 months. All this time I have been trying to get him over this, Now I am just done with it, it should be fun at my age, not a headache How long has it been since you rode on a regular basis? Rodeoing in the 80's was a loooong time ago to not have been on a horse.  Do you have any current video of you riding him?
Give this lady a break. Her point is that she is not a beginner, she never said she was a trainer etc. Ulcers/tack etc are not going to fix what she described
I am sorry OP, you may be able to sell him as "project" horse...but I agree it definitely sounds like you didn't get the broke horse you paid for.
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| Kaycee - 2015-05-07 5:37 PM bullwoman - 2015-05-07 3:22 PM Guess I didn't explain my self, I rodeo hard in the 80's won saddles, etc, so I am not a beginner rider, just took time off to have a family, now that I am getting back into it, was looking at horses, yes I rode him away from home, my mistake I didn't try him on cattle or roping, just took their word. I studied on this for a couple of weeks, then made the purchase. The next week end that's when I took him to team penning, spooked at banners, announcer, people, the Next day is when I called the previous owners, yes, No call backs, I didn't wait 7 months. All this time I have been trying to get him over this, Now I am just done with it, it should be fun at my age, not a headache How long has it been since you rode on a regular basis? Rodeoing in the 80's was a loooong time ago to not have been on a horse. Do you have any current video of you riding him?
Give this lady a break. Her point is that she is not a beginner, she never said she was a trainer etc. Ulcers/tack etc are not going to fix what she described
I am sorry OP, you may be able to sell him as "project" horse...but I agree it definitely sounds like you didn't get the broke horse you paid for.
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | angelica - 2015-05-08 11:16 AM I think it is too late to deal with the previous owner. I would just disclose what the horse is and advertise it and take what you can get, even if just a few hundred bucks, its cheaper than feeding him. Six months ago I got screwed on a horse deal also. I purchased a mare from a girl in Mansfield Texas that was advertised as being the most bomb-proof dead head kid broke horse that I would ever find on the market. I went to a playday to meet the seller and ride the horse because I wanted to see the horse under the stress of all the noise and banners etc.... The horse appeared to be a dead head and walked around perfect, my kids loved all over her etc....I purchased her, my daughter excited that she would finally have a horse she could start 4H with and learn to ride. 48 hours after we get the horse home it turns into a total dangerous psycho. I have been around horses for 40 years so I know what I am doing!! I luckly rode the mare first and she broke into a bronc buck with her teeth and mouth open and grunted and bucked better than any NFR horse ever could lol!! I gave the horse 30 days with me riding and she never came out of it, she would ride a few steps and flip out. I let a race horse trainer try her and he said she was probably druged out of her mind the day I rode her at the playday. I was going to try and get her right and sell her but the day the farrier came she jumped over the top of him and kicked out with both feet, and he ducked barely missing being kicked in the head. That moment sealed her fate! All I could think about was if she had killed the farrier, he has two young boys and a wife to care for! I did contact the seller after the 48 hour blow up and she would't deal with me, would not even talk, so I know I was screwed and she had lied to get the money but what angers me the most is that she could look at my kids smiling and lie and endanger them!!!!!
Wow, that is some story Angelica! It reminds me of when I was buying my daughter's first pony. Not nearly as bad as your story but bad enough. She was only three. We tried out this pony and I said to the guy, "Look at her. She's THREE. This is who the pony is for," and I pointed to her at my side and he looked right at her and assured me the pony was completely safe. That one was the kicker. Ironically, the woman who put my husband on the "bombproof" horse (it was his first horse) who bucked him off, wound up buying that pony at the sale. | |
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| bullwoman - 2015-05-07 3:22 PM
Guess I didn't explain my self, I rodeo hard in the 80's won saddles, etc, so I am not a beginner rider, just took time off to have a family, now that I am getting back into it, was looking at horses, yes I rode him away from home, my mistake I didn't try him on cattle or roping, just took their word. I studied on this for a couple of weeks, then made the purchase. The next week end that's when I took him to team penning, spooked at banners, announcer, people, the Next day is when I called the previous owners, yes, No call backs, I didn't wait 7 months. All this time I have been trying to get him over this, Now I am just done with it, it should be fun at my age, not a headache
In my opinion, riding at any age should be fun. Many years ago, when I could actually ride, I bought a horse that got my number real fast. I wasn't afraid of him but should have been. Big stout horse that had been abused. He figured out that he had the upper hand and would have fits. He wasn't that bad when I first got him but got worse as time went by. It is truly a wonder that I did not get hurt on. Cut your losses and get rid of him--find something that fits you better. By the way, I traded that Jughead for a horse that turned out to be the best horse I have ever owned. That was way before 4D barrel races. | |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | You could be my sister. I to hate to sell a horse that doesn't fit for my needs and currently have six. Advertise for a trade straight across.state the horse must work cattle. The candidate might not be in your area. Good luck. | |
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