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| I agree... the height thing also drives me bannanas. I dont understand prices. I personally wouldnt refer to a 2D/3D horse as "crap." There money spends just the same but they need to be priced accordingly. If I had the money and I had a kid... and I found a 2D/3D horse that was safe and consistent and sound... I would spend 20k on it. There are a lot of 1D horses, I wouldnt buy even if I had the money because frankly, winning the 1D is less important to me... I want a horse to ride and is well behaved. I know several that cannot be ridden, only ponied. To me, theyre not worth 5k to me... again TO ME...
But yes the false advertising is annoying... But I think it is the buyers job to look into results. You may find out some interesting things one way or another. Maybe it only clocks indoors... or maybe only outdoors. Its a 1D indoor horse, 3D outdoor horse or vice versa. |
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| "1d horse for sale, NOT on sale!!"
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Location: TN | I don't mind paying if it is what they say it is. I know a true 1d horse cost. But why do they have to lie and waste your time. I Understand they want people to look also, but get real. I've had 1d horses, sold them and bought them, but don't call it what it's not. Too much information out there these days to lie about it. I'm just frustrated sorry.  |
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Location: Missouri | stayceem - 2015-05-20 12:04 PM
I agree... the height thing also drives me bannanas. I dont understand prices. I personally wouldnt refer to a 2D/3D horse as "crap." There money spends just the same but they need to be priced accordingly. If I had the money and I had a kid... and I found a 2D/3D horse that was safe and consistent and sound... I would spend 20k on it. There are a lot of 1D horses, I wouldnt buy even if I had the money because frankly, winning the 1D is less important to me... I want a horse to ride and is well behaved. I know several that cannot be ridden, only ponied. To me, theyre not worth 5k to me... again TO ME...
But yes the false advertising is annoying... But I think it is the buyers job to look into results. You may find out some interesting things one way or another. Maybe it only clocks indoors... or maybe only outdoors. Its a 1D indoor horse, 3D outdoor horse or vice versa.
You and I are a lot alike. I used to want to win and didn't think I'd mind big quirks or a big attitude and then I had one who was a sneaky little PITA and was constantly looking for ways to outsmart me. Had all the talent in the world but I got SO sick of figuring him out and then he'd throw another wrench at me. I sold him and went back to riding my pokey consistent 3d4d mare and I have a lot more fun. It took the fun out of it. If I had big $$$ to spend I'd spend big $$$ on a well mannered 2dlocal/3dbig shows kid of horse and just enjoy myself . |
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Location: North Dakota | Cinchy girl - 2015-05-20 10:05 AM
It's kind of amazing, you go to a barrel race and typically less than 10% are in the 1D but half the horses for sale are 1D. Hummmm....?
Since we are venting.... Why would someone put N/A for a horses height? Do they really think that height doesn't matter? I'm 5'11" and won't even go look at one that is under 15.1. Why make me waste both of our time by not listing height? Also, I called on one recently that was listed as 15.2 and asked if she'd taken a tape to the horse. She hadn't but went out and did it... 15 hands on the nose. Height matters! Take a moment and measure your horse for sale.
That's all.... 
YES! And do it right! EVERY horse I've bought was measured incorrectly. One said 15.3 in the ad, and I didn't measure her but she couldn't have measured over 15.2h on her tip toes. Another gelding was advertised at 15.2 and was pleasantly surprised to find he was 15.3! I'm also 5'11" so it matters a LOT to me!
I don't think I really have a dog in this fight because I've never spent over $5k on a horse and I don't plan to ever spend $20k+ on a horse. My luck is just too bad for that. I don't need or desire a 1D horse. If it's broke, quiet, and sound, I can do the rest. I'd rather not fix someone else's neurotic crazyness again.
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | ~BINGO~ - 2015-05-20 9:07 AM
I read an ad the other day for a horse that was 15.8 hands...
Gotta love people :) I had a former Miss Rodeo Queen say something about her horse that was " 14.8 ". I didn't know what to do after... |
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| MOGirl07 - 2015-05-20 12:10 PM stayceem - 2015-05-20 12:04 PM I agree... the height thing also drives me bannanas. I dont understand prices. I personally wouldnt refer to a 2D/3D horse as "crap." There money spends just the same but they need to be priced accordingly. If I had the money and I had a kid... and I found a 2D/3D horse that was safe and consistent and sound... I would spend 20k on it. There are a lot of 1D horses, I wouldnt buy even if I had the money because frankly, winning the 1D is less important to me... I want a horse to ride and is well behaved. I know several that cannot be ridden, only ponied. To me, theyre not worth 5k to me... again TO ME... But yes the false advertising is annoying... But I think it is the buyers job to look into results. You may find out some interesting things one way or another. Maybe it only clocks indoors... or maybe only outdoors. Its a 1D indoor horse, 3D outdoor horse or vice versa. You and I are a lot alike. I used to want to win and didn't think I'd mind big quirks or a big attitude and then I had one who was a sneaky little PITA and was constantly looking for ways to outsmart me. Had all the talent in the world but I got SO sick of figuring him out and then he'd throw another wrench at me. I sold him and went back to riding my pokey consistent 3d4d mare and I have a lot more fun. It took the fun out of it. If I had big $$$ to spend I'd spend big $$$ on a well mannered 2dlocal/3dbig shows kid of horse and just enjoy myself .
I agree and I want to find one of these nice, solid horses. I am too old to ride youngsters with a cold back anymore. Now - I need to figure out how and where to market my cold backed, talented gelding and then I can shop! |
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| QH<3er - 2015-05-20 2:51 PM
~BINGO~ - 2015-05-20 9:07 AM
I read an ad the other day for a horse that was 15.8 hands...
Gotta love people : ) I had a former Miss Rodeo Queen say something about her horse that was " 14.8 ". I didn't know what to do after...
Offer them eleventyfour dollars for it, makes as much sense. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | GLP - 2015-05-20 11:06 AM Just a thought, how much should a 2D horse bring if a true 1D horse is 50-80,000 or more?
Go to an NBHA jackpot in my area and price the horses that won money in the 2D and you better be sitting down... |
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| Horse selling vent! On the other side of that is myself and my daughter being completely honest. We recently listed our 11 yr old mare, we've owned since she was 2. She is a 2/3 d horse running in north Texas where you have pro level riders and horses at everything. She is solid, no issues just send her and sit. Anyone can ride her. Solid and consistent and priced fairly. She is not designer bred and is a solid bs paint but we've only had one person try her. We have released all vet records to interested party and been completely honest. I see horses selling that aren't near as nice for the same $. It's very frustrating |
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Location: Duvall, WA | Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . |
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| angelica - 2015-05-20 11:00 AM
I find it hard to find a safe kids horse! So many people willing to lie and put a child in danger!
Go to speed events that kids ride in .. such as the gymkanakana?? thingys, rodeo grand entrys, parades and buy the horse from a kid that is ready to move up ...
This goes for the high powered horses too ... start watching your competitors at events ... and if you see one you like ... go stalk it for a few events and ask if it is for sale ... could be a pattern trainer that has several horses and this one is for sale .. start looking for people riding good horses and stop looking for horses ... looking at the one riding the horse should tell you what D they have been riding in ...
I have come home a bunch of times with an empty trailer and never made any effort to sell the horses ... opportunity knocked and I opened the door and took their money..
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Location: Montana | NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse.
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NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse.
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| Murphy - 2015-05-20 10:24 AM I think it's a buyer beware situation. I've bought a horse before without doing the research and I had to live with the consequences. Never again. I'll turn into the most Sherlock Holmes detective on the face of this planet when buying a horse. And then you get looked at strange if you ask for a vet check!! No heaven forbid a vet check for a 20k+ horse!! Oh but they already had them checked over by their vet...who by the way Trevor Brazil uses. HAHA. I am with you! I googled a horse who is priced at 20k but I couldn't find any results of them being out of the 3D!
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | Or 15,000 for a horse that hasnt ran better then 3d time and the video they show on their ad wouldnt even win money in the 4d at the arena they videoed it in. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 10:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by:
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-05-22 11:17 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 10:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by:
Its both actually some are rodeo runs some are futurities or jackpots and the barrel racing report labels it as unofficial but we are talking about a standard pattern in general not one or the other. People should realize its different every night of a rodeo and can greatly vary day to day inside with who is dragging.
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Location: Beggs, OK | astreakinchic - 2015-05-22 10:24 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-22 11:17 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 10:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by: Its both actually some are rodeo runs some are futurities or jackpots and the barrel racing report labels it as unofficial but we are talking about a standard pattern in general not one or the other. People should realize its different every night of a rodeo and can greatly vary day to day inside with who is dragging.
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