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Location: Florida.. | cheryl makofka - 2015-06-05 10:00 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 8:27 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-05 8:39 AM The head shaking etc is most likely the tubing caused scar tissue.. and or pain..
the other it sounds like a kidney infection.. but Id also look at a new weed possibly in his pasture that could be toxic.. That's the only logical explanation I'm coming up with for the head shaking although vet won't agree with me, I guess because then that problem would be on her. I disagree the head shaking problem would be the vets problem if it turned out to be due to scoping. You consented to the scope, you as a horse owner should have informed yourself on the potential complications that can arise then determine if the risk is worth the benefit. Horse owners need to educate themselves more, we research our own medical procedures and weight the pros and cons before we ever give a doctor consent, so why don't we do the same thing with horses?
I certainly would NOT place blame on vet .. when tubing or scoping it happens.. soreness, scar tissue, stratched. bleeding etc.. it happens more then not.. I was simply saying that may be the reason and id not be looking directly at that as a symptom of his condition although he may have a infection of some sort in gutteral pouch or ears.. but it will subside if not.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Is he drinking water out of a barrel or automatic waterier? Just wondering  |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:06 AM jake16 - 2015-06-05 5:44 AM What type of feed are you using? Nothing fancy.....the Producers Pride 12% from Tractor Supply Co. He's been on this since I bought him and has done fine on it.
I'm so sorry that you're going through this....
Anytime you open a new bag of feed and a horse becomes sick you should be suspicious enough to make sure you rule it out as a source of the illness, even if you have more than one horse eating the same feed.
I would suggest adding some probiotics to his diet no matter what. I'm not familiar with the feed that he is on to know what you might be dealing with. There is always a possibility of a mixing error at a feed mill, even if it's not technically a contaminant. Mineral imbalances can cause horses to become sick as well. I would be very suspicious of him ingesting a toxin with the little bit of information that you have given here. Fluids, supportive care, and searching for whatever caused this reaction in his environment or food are all that I can suggest. The probiotics will help get his digestive tract back in line and help prevent colic. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-05 10:09 AM
Does he drink water out of a bucket/barrel or is it an automatic waterier?Â
He has had a tub in the pasture. No lake acces either. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 11:05 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:06 AM jake16 - 2015-06-05 5:44 AM What type of feed are you using? Nothing fancy.....the Producers Pride 12% from Tractor Supply Co. He's been on this since I bought him and has done fine on it.
Anytime you open a new bag of feed and a horse becomes sick you should be suspicious enough to make sure you rule it out as a source of the illness, even if you have more than one horse eating the same feed. Â
I would suggest adding some probiotics to his diet no matter what. Â I'm not familiar with the feed that he is on to know what you might be dealing with. Â There is always a possibility of a mixing error at a feed mill, even if it's not technically a contaminant. Â Mineral imbalances can cause horses to become sick as well. Â I would be very suspicious of him ingesting a toxin with the little bit of information that you have given here. Â Fluids, supportive care, and searching for whatever caused this reaction in his environment or food are all that I can suggest. Â The probiotics will help get his digestive tract back in line and help prevent colic.
Thanks for your suggestions! :) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:06 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-05 10:09 AM Does he drink water out of a bucket/barrel or is it an automatic waterier? He has had a tub in the pasture. No lake acces either.
OK glad that hes got a tub, I knew of a horse that was taking to a new place and all they had was automatic wateriers and he was not drinking hardley at all and he colic because he was not drinking enought water was scare of the wateriers that was in his stall. |
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| Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away!
Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems. |
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Location: Central Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 10:45 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away!
Great! Â I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? Â That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function. Â
Another question: Â Has she done a fecal egg count? Â Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Â Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. Â You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. Â That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems.Â
Just an FYI, worming is great but don't worm him until he is stable and the vet oks it. Most labels will advise you not to worm a sick horse. Just throwing that info ourt there in case you didn't think about it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ampratt - 2015-06-05 10:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 10:45 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away! Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems. Just an FYI, worming is great but don't worm him until he is stable and the vet oks it. Most labels will advise you not to worm a sick horse. Just throwing that info ourt there in case you didn't think about it.
My thoughts on this too, please dont be deworming untill this horse is back to feeling and eating good, I would give him a least a month. I would talk to your vet about deworming him if this is what he needs. Good luck to you and your horse hope that everything stays good  |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 11:45 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away!
Great! Â I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? Â That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function. Â
Another question: Â Has she done a fecal egg count? Â Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Â Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. Â You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. Â That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems.Â
Yes ma'am, you are probably right on the BUN. I couldn't much understand her on the phone because our phones break up every time she calls. She had just done a fecal egg count the week before all of this started when she done his vacc's and floated teeth. Results came back that he had a low count but she did want me to go ahead and deworm him. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | ampratt - 2015-06-05 10:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 10:45 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away! Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems. Just an FYI, worming is great but don't worm him until he is stable and the vet oks it. Most labels will advise you not to worm a sick horse. Just throwing that info ourt there in case you didn't think about it.
I'm sorry! I didn't think about specifying that. When my gelding was going through feed toxicity we did go ahead and do a PowerPac on him. His system was so stressed that he had a HUGE egg load hatch out just six weeks after having a clean fecal. So in his case it was in our best interest to go ahead and get that under control. |
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| You have received some good advice on here. I would definitely have the feed tested and in the meanwhile I would be calling the manufacturer of your grain and ask if they also process medicated cattle feeds. If the answer is yet then ask if they process their equine feeds on the same machines. If that answer is yes then it's definite red flag for your feed - even trace amounts of ionophores can be toxic to horses. I hope your horse is okay!! |
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| I haven't dewormed him since all of this has been going on and definitly wouldn't unless vet recommended it right now. I do plan to check on the feed for toxins since all of this was so sudden and unexplainable. I appreciate all of your suggestions and support! Thank you so much! He's not out of the woods yet but hopefully we are on the road to recovery now. |
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| What about a possible reaction to the vaccines that he received a couple of weeks before the symptoms showed up? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Feed, pasture, vaccines...good advice and probably the best places to start and having a horse with kidney issues deworming time can be a little nerve wracking to say the least so prayers added also. |
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Location: Dubuque,IA | Is the new waTER SUPPLY A CITY WATER THAT MIGHT HAVE FLUORIDE IN IT??? |
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| Just an 'out there' thought -- vaccine reaction? I've had a couple over the years who were down, very down, after vaccines. Kinda like your horse, not right away, but sort of a week or so later. Just a thought. The treatment your horse is getting seems to be helping which hopefully means whatever it is is being pushed through. Toxins of any sort (which vaccines are a toxin, tho beneficient) have to be pushed through a system and kidneys and liver are the organs that they have to pass through. The more fluids the better for anything toxic.
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| Glad he is on the mend I really believe that the vaccines are the culprit. I have titers drawn on my horses spring and fall and only vaccinate as needed. And when I do have to vaccinate I always follow with a double dose of Animal Element DETOX for 10 days just to be safe. My neighbor had one she almost lost to vaccine toxcisity brought her back with Animal Element Detox and Immune builder when her Vet was stumped |
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Location: Oklahoma | The one thing that stood out in your post that is TOXIC and can have severe reactions in some horses/animals & people are VACCINES! |
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