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      Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | I can't believe that there are people on here that think that what this guy and girl did were alright and would blame the owners of the horses. Come on, that is fraud in the worst way, and I am all for horse slaughter. |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:31 PM I can't believe that there are people on here that think that what this guy and girl did were alright and would blame the owners of the horses. Come on, that is fraud in the worst way, and I am all for horse slaughter.
I didn't see where the auctioneer had anything to do with the original deal. He was like a couple of owners removed from there, wasn't he? I was reading and posting while driving a tractor, so I may have missed something, but that was the way I read it. |
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BHW's Simon Cowell
      Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Using a fake name would indicate to me that he knew there was a problem with the deal. Why else would he do that? |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 6:38 PM
ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:31 PM I can't believe that there are people on here that think that what this guy and girl did were alright and would blame the owners of the horses. Come on, that is fraud in the worst way, and I am all for horse slaughter.
I didn't see where the auctioneer had anything to do with the original deal. He was like a couple of owners removed from there, wasn't he? I was reading and posting while driving a tractor, so I may have missed something, but that was the way I read it.
Thank you ksjackofalltrades. The auctioneer knew what was going on - why else would he use a fake name to take the horses to Canada. The people that owned these horses are some of the best people you could ever meet. It breaks my heart to hear people on here call them stupid. |
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| GLP - 2015-06-12 2:48 PM
reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM
If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
Why didn't they take them there themselves?
What does this have to do with trusting your close friends? |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:41 PM Using a fake name would indicate to me that he knew there was a problem with the deal. Why else would he do that?
Because he was breaking a stupid state law? |
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| reditorun - 2015-06-12 8:55 PM
GLP - 2015-06-12 2:48 PM
reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM
If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
Why didn't they take them there themselves?
What does this have to do with trusting your close friends?
Frankly, nothing. I didn't mean to offend anyone, it was just a question, not an attack on anyone. |
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| Apparently comprehension is not available to most peoples brains ... so read this again and understand the auctioneer hauled the horse no where ... that's right... ONE HORSE... was involved in this SHAM ... by none other than PETA'S little brother HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES ... who at last news blast was supposed to have lost their non-profit status for only spending 2% of millions on the welfare of animals ....
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So how did he get Lacey? Detective Adam McEwen said his investigation started when Lacey’s owner reported her and another horse called Squirt missing.
The owner told the detective that he had given the horses to Summer Rose Tex, a brand inspector with the California Department of Food and Agriculture, whom he trusted, and whom he says promised to take them to Harris farms to retire.
But instead, according to arrest records, she admitted to the owner that she had lied about where she had taken them.
Tex admitted selling them to a horse dealer, who McEwen later learned sold them to Billy Brown.
A paper trail led the detective across three states from California to Oregon, Washington, and across the border to a slaughterhouse in Canada.
“I visited this slaughterhouse in an undercover capacity,” said Eric Sakach, a senior investigator with the Humane Society of the United States.
The Humane Society supports the SAFE Act, a bill that would ban the export of horses to slaughter for human consumption
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Owner lied and reported horses missing ... that is a false police report and chargeable ...
Brand inspector which is an unnecessary government job was making a little money on the side helping people to unload horses they no longer needed .. probably didn't cover the cost of hauling them anywhere ..
HSUS are just a bunch of crooks like the Clinton's and PETA buying politicians for campaign funds or free vacation trips ..
SHERIFF is probably married to a HSUS member and doesn't like to sleep on the couch.
AUCTIONEER ... good choice on who to attack even though the horses moved thru 3 states and who knows how many different buyers before going into Canada ... trying to nail the auctioneer for a law that was instigated by PETA OR HSUS hidden in some other bill ... is like closing down the only gas station in town ...
DETECTIVE McEwen .... Private Detective hired by HSUS ... is reporting what he was paid to do ... hook the auctioneer any way he can ...
OK folks ... the only power American people have any more is power of the jury.... if decent Americans are on a jury and feel the "law" or the charges against a person is unjust then they can vote .... NOT GUILTY ... juries do not have to agree with the law nor recognize it to prosecute someone unjustly ....>>> and judges are breaking the law when they read the law and instruct the jury that they must vote for one of these choices and must prosecute the defendant ...
We see our government and our local communist politicians along with PETA and HSUS repeatedly suing someone and then finding a friendly judge they have appointed or bought off to serve papers to get a person into court ... most people do not have the money to fight charges when everyone else is being paid to prosecute you ...
Shame on horse people for their opinions against the defendants when you know that HSUS and PETA are up to no good. It is also a shame that stupid white people have created these laws and scenarios and are too dumb to come together with a national group like HSUS and PETA to push common sense of livestock ownership and whack these politicians at election time as a group. .. TOO MANY FOOLS GET RE-ELECTED FOR YEARS DUE TO OUR APATHY ...
Take NRA for instance ... every American that believes in the 2nd Amendment should be a member to support the NRA to combat gun laws so they will have the money to attack anyone .. anywhere that is trying to take that right away from our constitution and this includes the UNITED NATIONS ... grrrrrrr
Horses should be raised like cattle, hogs and chickens as a meat export to whatever countries want to eat a horse steak or roast.. if we keep up our stupid ways the muslims will have bacon, pork chops and ham removed from our supermarkets because they feel insulted.... even right now they are being paid billions for their blessing meat companies to sell their unmarked HALAL meat unknowingly to me and you!!
It is time for Americans to GET MAD AND STAY MAD long enough to get this crap stopped !!
I am going to add the coming presidential election to this discussion ... if Americans do not elect TED CRUZ who knows the constitution forward and backwards and who the crooks are in Washington as our next president and has the fortitude right now to say what he would repeal and what agencies to defund that have over reached into our lives ... we can kiss our horses, livestock and land ownership goodbye!!
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-06-12 8:39 PM
Apparently comprehension is not available to most peoples brains ... so read this again and understand the auctioneer hauled the horse no where ... that's right... ONE HORSE... was involved in this SHAM ... by none other than PETA'S little brother HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES ... who at last news blast was supposed to have lost their non-profit status for only spending 2% of millions on the welfare of animals ....
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So how did he get Lacey? Detective Adam McEwen said his investigation started when Lacey’s owner reported her and another horse called Squirt missing.
The owner told the detective that he had given the horses to Summer Rose Tex, a brand inspector with the California Department of Food and Agriculture, whom he trusted, and whom he says promised to take them to Harris farms to retire.
But instead, according to arrest records, she admitted to the owner that she had lied about where she had taken them.
Tex admitted selling them to a horse dealer, who McEwen later learned sold them to Billy Brown.
A paper trail led the detective across three states from California to Oregon, Washington, and across the border to a slaughterhouse in Canada.
“I visited this slaughterhouse in an undercover capacity,” said Eric Sakach, a senior investigator with the Humane Society of the United States.
The Humane Society supports the SAFE Act, a bill that would ban the export of horses to slaughter for human consumption
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Owner lied and reported horses missing ... that is a false police report and chargeable ...
Brand inspector which is an unnecessary government job was making a little money on the side helping people to unload horses they no longer needed .. probably didn't cover the cost of hauling them anywhere ..
HSUS are just a bunch of crooks like the Clinton's and PETA buying politicians for campaign funds or free vacation trips ..
SHERIFF is probably married to a HSUS member and doesn't like to sleep on the couch.
AUCTIONEER ... good choice on who to attack even though the horses moved thru 3 states and who knows how many different buyers before going into Canada ... trying to nail the auctioneer for a law that was instigated by PETA OR HSUS hidden in some other bill ... is like closing down the only gas station in town ...
DETECTIVE McEwen .... Private Detective hired by HSUS ... is reporting what he was paid to do ... hook the auctioneer any way he can ...
OK folks ... the only power American people have any more is power of the jury.... if decent Americans are on a jury and feel the "law" or the charges against a person is unjust then they can vote .... NOT GUILTY ... juries do not have to agree with the law nor recognize it to prosecute someone unjustly ....>>> and judges are breaking the law when they read the law and instruct the jury that they must vote for one of these choices and must prosecute the defendant ...
We see our government and our local communist politicians along with PETA and HSUS repeatedly suing someone and then finding a friendly judge they have appointed or bought off to serve papers to get a person into court ... most people do not have the money to fight charges when everyone else is being paid to prosecute you ...
Shame on horse people for their opinions against the defendants when you know that HSUS and PETA are up to no good. It is also a shame that stupid white people have created these laws and scenarios and are too dumb to come together with a national group like HSUS and PETA to push common sense of livestock ownership and whack these politicians at election time as a group. .. TOO MANY FOOLS GET RE-ELECTED FOR YEARS DUE TO OUR APATHY ...
Take NRA for instance ... every American that believes in the 2nd Amendment should be a member to support the NRA to combat gun laws so they will have the money to attack anyone .. anywhere that is trying to take that right away from our constitution and this includes the UNITED NATIONS ... grrrrrrr
Horses should be raised like cattle, hogs and chickens as a meat export to whatever countries want to eat a horse steak or roast.. if we keep up our stupid ways the muslims will have bacon, pork chops and ham removed from our supermarkets because they feel insulted.... even right now they are being paid billions for their blessing meat companies to sell their unmarked HALAL meat unknowingly to me and you!!
It is time for Americans to GET MAD AND STAY MAD long enough to get this crap stopped !!
I am going to add the coming presidential election to this discussion ... if Americans do not elect TED CRUZ who knows the constitution forward and backwards and who the crooks are in Washington as our next president and has the fortitude right now to say what he would repeal and what agencies to defund that have over reached into our lives ... we can kiss our horses, livestock and land ownership goodbye!!
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     Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong.
Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down. |
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| pinx05 - 2015-06-13 7:24 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong.
Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
This is exactly what happened. They were able to trace the mare because she had a brand. They were just trying to find out where they were when they traced her all the way to Canada.
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
That's where the article confused me, since it said the owner GAVE the horses to the brand inspector person. I read it as owner had given them away, terminating ownership. It didn't say enlisted this person as hauler, it said gave them to her. Once you give or sell me a horse, it's mine to with as I wish regardless of what I told you I was going to do. Is it ethical to promise retirement and then sell? No. But it's not illegal either. |
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      Location: Oakdale, CA | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!! |
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| got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!! I don't think anybody who has posted on this thread is anti slaughter, anti theft, fraud, deception, yes. I wonder what they have on the Brand Inspector to warrant charges of grand theft. Are there texts, emails or just owners word against hers.
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  Location: Four Corners Colorado | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 10:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down. That's where the article confused me, since it said the owner GAVE the horses to the brand inspector person. I read it as owner had given them away, terminating ownership. It didn't say enlisted this person as hauler, it said gave them to her. Once you give or sell me a horse, it's mine to with as I wish regardless of what I told you I was going to do. Is it ethical to promise retirement and then sell? No. But it's not illegal either.
I see this more and more. Lots of people "GIVE" their horses to rescues or "retirement" homes for free or whatever and when it shows up at a kill lot they are up in arms when they were the ones that gave the horse up in the first place.
Honestly a good equine retirement home will require you to pay board because you still own the horse. If you aren't paying for their care you are giving up ownership. I'm sure who ever falsified what ever did so to ship a load of horses not just trying cover up one horse and I'm sure there are others who do the same due to the law. |
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| I'm pretty sure impersonating someone is illegal and writing someone's signature is forgery too. He's already on the radar for the amout of horse he brings in so there's no telling what else he's doing. I think there is some missing parts to this article. And sounds like the auctioneer knew what he was getting, probably done it before. |
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     Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 11:45 AM
pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
That's where the article confused me, since it said the owner GAVE the horses to the brand inspector person. I read it as owner had given them away, terminating ownership. It didn't say enlisted this person as hauler, it said gave them to her. Once you give or sell me a horse, it's mine to with as I wish regardless of what I told you I was going to do. Is it ethical to promise retirement and then sell? No. But it's not illegal either.
oh see the way I took it they were having the horses taken to retirement (where ever that was) by that person. Not I'll give you the horse and you retire it. But it is rather confusing to me so I may have it all wrong. |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:45 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down. That's where the article confused me, since it said the owner GAVE the horses to the brand inspector person. I read it as owner had given them away, terminating ownership. It didn't say enlisted this person as hauler, it said gave them to her. Once you give or sell me a horse, it's mine to with as I wish regardless of what I told you I was going to do. Is it ethical to promise retirement and then sell? No. But it's not illegal either. oh see the way I took it they were having the horses taken to retirement (where ever that was ) by that person. Not I'll give you the horse and you retire it. But it is rather confusing to me so I may have it all wrong.
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I just cant see sending my horses that I have had for many many years off to another place to spend the rest of their lives I want them to be with me so I can make sure they are ok and spend their lives at home with me they are my family too just like my children... |
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