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Location: Randolph, Utah | I would be getting a 2nd opinion . That horse is definitely hurting somewhere.
Your daughter looks out of control in the videos, and it can't feel good him getting his head ripped off and kicking "as hard as she can" (commentary on one video) especially where he's in pain.
That's a pretty nice horse to put up with that.
Get his physical issues figured out and go from there, even if it means a break from barrels or going slow for a while. |
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| Thanks for the input people ! I have had him checked twice in the last 8 months the most recent check was 2 weeks ago . He does not have any issues running any of the other games . I fact he can run a pretty mean pole pattern . And he has shown no signs of soreness while running the jumping fig 8 . And he will walk trott the barrels no problem . And I agree that she is a little rough on the reigns and we are working on that issue so With the vet saying he has no lameness issues we are leaning more towards breathing issues. And we should be able to fig that out when he gets scoped next week . But unfortunately we have to run him again to see if he is a bleeder . |
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| Boy when you said stalling you were not mining. A couple of things I would have checked are kissing spines and EPM. If the vet said everything was OK these are some things that were overlooked on several of my horses. |
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Location: Texas | Those videos make me sad and mad.
I agree - take him off barrels until you find what is bothering him.
Continuing to run him like this is torturing him. |
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Location: NW. Florida | I agree with the others about him hurting. I wouldn't want my child riding that horse, if the problem isn't identified soon his behavior is going to escalate and your daughter is going to get hurt. Vets are just like doctors, some specialize this horse definetly needs a lameness specialist. I hope you can get him help, he seems like he would be nice if not for the issue. |
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| I agree that he's probably in pain and needs taken off the barrels. I also feel that after he stops at the second that he's getting a lot of mixed signals from being yanked back and forth, kicked, reversed, etc. I'm not a trainer or the an expert when it comes to barrels but I'm only observing and I think that not only is he in pain, he's confused and not feeling right about that second barrel. Horses remember a lot. I'm sure it's very frustrating but once you all figure out what's wrong your daughter will need taught on how to deal with it as well! Good luck, prayers you guys figure out where that baby's hurting!  |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Have you ever shown the vet doing the lameness exam these videos? If not, you should. There is a problem and it needs to be dealt with. Continuing to run the animal is going to end up with someone getting hurt. Both your daughter and the horse.
Also, I am not saying this to be mean - but are you taking this to a "horse lameness vet"? My momma bless her heart, didn't know there was a difference when I was your daughter's age. But she tried.
Please look into it more as no one wants this to happen.
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Location: Randolph, Utah | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 12:34 PM
Thanks for the input people ! I have had him checked twice in the last 8 months the most recent check was 2 weeks ago . He does not have any issues running any of the other games . I fact he can run a pretty mean pole pattern . And he has shown no signs of soreness while running the jumping fig 8 . And he will walk trott the barrels no problem . And I agree that she is a little rough on the reigns and we are working on that issue so With the vet saying he has no lameness issues we are leaning more towards breathing issues. And we should be able to fig that out when he gets scoped next week . But unfortunately we have to run him again to see if he is a bleeder .
If you're 100% sure it not a pain issue and you don't want to give him a break maybe find a soft handed quiet rider to take him for a while. I'd be afraid one day he'll of had enough and come up & over on her. |
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| Felt so so sorry for this horse after watching the first video!
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| I will play devil's advocate and go with the no pain theory. With that said, this is a horse that clearly hates his job. Regardless if there is pain or no pain, you have let a habit develop and there is no way this child riding this horse can fix it. I am willing to bet that when she comes out of the pen, she is jerking, snatching, kicking and ripping because she's mad. The worst thing you can do is crucify a horse after a run. That starts gate problems because why go IN when you know what happens when you come OUT? I'm sorry but this horse DOES NOT want to be a barrel horse. You need to stop running him on barrels and find someone that can help. Both from a physical issue standpoint AND a training standpoint. That horse is on the verge of going up. The next step from going up is going over. Stop running it beforse it escalates further. |
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| I will show our vet the videos . And yes I agree that she is a little aggressive . We are working on that . She is a little girl that is used to riding some really fast crazy ponies and this is her new step up horse . She also spent 6 months of walk trott with him on all the games patterns and she just started to push him and he started to do this . |
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 1:02 PM
I will show our vet the videos . And yes I agree that she is a little aggressive . We are working on that . She is a little girl that is used to riding some really fast crazy ponies and this is her new step up horse . She also spent 6 months of walk trott with him on all the games patterns and she just started to push him and he started to do this .
Have you always had the horse? Or is it a recent purchase? |
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| I agree she is aggressive in the videos . And she does not alwaise ride like that . In fact she gets off her horse , loosens her saddle and walks him back to the trailer . We just bought this horse last fall and have had no issues with him until she started to push him . |
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| If he were bleeding, wouldn't you think he'd be bleeding in the other events too? Right now, he is not liking his job, he needs a mental rest!
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 1:08 PM
I agree she is aggressive in the videos . And she does not alwaise ride like that . In fact she gets off her horse , loosens her saddle and walks him back to the trailer . We just bought this horse last fall and have had no issues with him until she started to push him .
Then I would ride quiet and stop pushing. He's running hard enough without people hollarung at her to kick his guts out. I'd also change head gear to something lighter and I'd inject the hocks. I'd also find someone to help fix the issue. And I'd have the teeth looked at to make sure there isn't a tooth problem. I don't mean just sharp edges. A full mouth exam. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Either the horse hurts or resents his job.....both need attention before you allow your daughter to continue running barrels on this horse or you're creating a worse problem and she could get hurt.
The horse looks off in his left hind in the videos and unless you've have done X-Rays a simple exam may not show a problem.
After I had the horse vetted I would seek professional help prior to your daughter riding this horse.
First thing I would do is reverse the horse to the left after I returned to training. |
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Location: OH | CJE - 2015-06-19 3:24 PM Either the horse hurts or resents his job.....both need attention before you allow your daughter to continue running barrels on this horse or you're creating a worse problem and she could get hurt. The horse looks off in his left hind in the videos and unless you've have done X-Rays a simple exam may not show a problem. After I had the horse vetted I would seek professional help prior to your daughter riding this horse. First thing I would do is reverse the horse to the left after I returned to training.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-19 1:14 PM That horse needs to pulled off barrels untill you can find the problem, hes hurting and bad. He looks really confused and that to me is because he hurts, you can tell hes got heart and is trying but riding him in this matter and getting mad at him, I saw that in the first video is not going to make this horse want to run, theres no rate going into the first barrel and theres a reason for it. You need to take this horse to a lameness Vet and get him looked over with a fine tooth and comb, theres something going on the more you run him the worst its going to get for him. Not just any vet is going to find a problem you have got to take him to a Lameness Vet that will know what to be looking for. These videos just made me feel really bad for this horse. Ditto times 100- poor horse, quit running him till you find out what is wrong. He looks nice and is worth the effort to treat him right. It make take several vet visits to get it figured out, if you are not wiliing to do that, turn him out or sell him. Lots of horses work better without kicking and yanking. Get a good vet and a good trainer and I bet you end up with a really nice horse.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What kind of bit do you have on him? |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Watch the third video. She is kicking for all she is worth..and jerking on his face at the same time. He is really getting conflicting signals. She has likely gotten upset and frustrated with this horse and her riding skills are not mature enough/developed enough to handle this properly.
This may very well be a horse that is hurting or was hurting and in the process now his behavior has gotten worse in her rough hands and he could easily blow up on her. I'm glad she is riding in a helmet...kudos on that...but as others have said...evaluate hocks etc and when ready to bring him back to riding...I'd have a calm confident quiet hand work him first.
In the mean time...the young girl needs lessons. Not barrel lessons or games lessons...Basic riding lessons to teach a soft hand etc. That will serve her well in the future. If she KNOWS how to ride with quiet hands and is just frustrated with this horse...she needs to mature more before being given a nice step up horse like this. She may just not be ready for that.
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