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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM
Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee).
I thought it was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia? |
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Location: Washington | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-20 6:53 PM Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee). I thought it was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia?
The problem is there were many southern flags, some were confused with states. Then when the "Battle Flag" came into play, Lee is the one that put it into the battle fields, hence the name. |
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| fatchance - 2015-06-20 9:04 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-20 6:53 PM Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee). I thought it was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia?
The confusion between the battle flag of northern Va. and the TENN. battle flag is because the pattern is the same EXCEPT northern Va. is square and Tenn. is a rectangle. There where three national confederate flags from 1861 thru 1865. The second and the third incorporated the flag of northern Va. in the upper left on a white back round. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-20 8:53 PM
Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM
Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee).
I thought it was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia?
The flag most commonly misidentified as "The Confederate Flag" is the battle flag of Tennessee. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | jbhoot - 2015-06-20 9:25 PM fatchance - 2015-06-20 9:04 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-20 6:53 PM Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee). I thought it was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia? The confusion between the battle flag of northern Va. and the TENN. battle flag is because the pattern is the same EXCEPT northern Va. is square and Tenn. is a rectangle. There where three national confederate flags from 1861 thru 1865. The second and the third incorporated the flag of northern Va. in the upper left on a white back round.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 9:44 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-20 8:53 PM
Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM
Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee).
I thought it was the battle flag for the army of northern Virginia?
The flag most commonly misidentified as "The Confederate Flag" is the battle flag of Tennessee.
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Location: Arkansas | Nevertooold - 2015-06-20 1:50 PM
Mitt is wrong. It's about Southern Pride.Â
Mitt sure has a lot to say now that he isn't running. What a joke. He needed to stand up when he was running instead of backing down like a whipped pup and handing the election over to Obama.
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My son (17) would respectfully ask to hug your neck. Southern pride is a huge thing with him. I'm glad he doesn't get on here to see this and put his two cents worth in! |
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Location: Arkansas | Bigfoot - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM
Big difference to me, in the flag of the CSA, and the confederate battle flag. The flag that upsets people, is the the battle flag. Most wouldn't recognize the flag of the CSA if they saw it. The confederate battle flag was carried by the state of Tennessee in to battle. Later adopted by the Klan as a symbol (Klan started in Tennessee).
I'm embarrassed to say my son just told me basically the same thing---the the original CSA flag caused confusion on the battlefield and Confederate soldiers were shooting each other so they changed it. That there were 3 "Confederate" flags. Ashamed he knows all this and I don't. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-20 10:59 PM Nevertooold - 2015-06-20 1:50 PM Mitt is wrong. It's about Southern Pride.
Mitt sure has a lot to say now that he isn't running. What a joke. He needed to stand up when he was running instead of backing down like a whipped pup and handing the election over to Obama.
My son (17 ) would respectfully ask to hug your neck. Southern pride is a huge thing with him. I'm glad he doesn't get on here to see this and put his two cents worth in!
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Location: Arkansas | Nevertooold - 2015-06-21 12:07 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-20 10:59 PM Nevertooold - 2015-06-20 1:50 PM Mitt is wrong. It's about Southern Pride.Â
Mitt sure has a lot to say now that he isn't running. What a joke. He needed to stand up when he was running instead of backing down like a whipped pup and handing the election over to Obama.
 My son (17 ) would respectfully ask to hug your neck. Southern pride is a huge thing with him. I'm glad he doesn't get on here to see this and put his two cents worth in!
I bet he and Chandler could have some deep conversations about the South and good ole boy point of views!! |
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Location: North Dakota | Bear - 2015-06-20 4:42 PM I have an idea. Why don't we let South Carolina decide? Meanwhile, the rest of the country can focus their attention on matters of substance. You can remove every single Confederate flag in the country, and it won't change a dam thing. This is just symbolism over substance.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's odd to me how we've almost come full circle, in a certain sense. Among other factors, slavery and states soverignty were what led to the civil war. This nation was literally divided because of these issues. Many argue that states soverignty was even more divisive than slavery itself. Here we are, 150 years later, engulfed in a debate over states soverignty, because of symbolism, namely the Confederate flag. If I could look into the future, I wouldn't be surprised to see a movement whereby the cross becomes a symbol that many wish to abolish. After all, it is the cross with a "drop of blood" in the middle that constitutes the sign of the KKK. It wouldn't take much to see this become part of a national debate. From now on, every time some insane murderer goes on a rampage and is found to have a Confederate flag on his clothing, a tattoo, or bumper sticker, there will be calls by political leaders and race baiters to eliminate the state flags of South Carolina and Mississippi. Personally, I couldn't care less, but I do believe this should be left up to the people of the respective states. If the states believe it should not be changed because of a certain pride in their heritage, then so be it.
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Location: Texas!! | The bad thing is Roof said he wanted to start a racial war. It looks like he will, in a round about way, and it's all about a flag...... |
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | jbhoot - 2015-06-20 3:14 PM RidenFly - 2015-06-20 12:53 PM Mitt Romney and plenty of others see the confederate flag as a racist symbol. Well gee, my grandfather was a mounted calvary officer for the confederacy. I though the civil war was fought for a much deeper reason than just the removal of slavery.
How do you feel about this? Is Mitt right? Mitt is entitled to his opinion it is factual. South Carolina can choose to flay the flag if they wish. But along with that comes the fact that it also reminds many of their racist past. You are correct that the civil war was fought for many reasons primarily states rights but the preservation of slavery and racism was a large part of that battle also.
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Location: So. California | This entire argument would have been avoided if SC had lowered their state flag to half mast. Why wasn't the SC state flag flying at half mast? Shouldn't the murder of innocent victims inside a church warrant a showing of respect and mourning? Shame on the person(s) who made the decision not to lower the flag... When I'm in place of worship, the last thing on my mind is that some crazy person is going to come in, sit quitely for an hour, then start shooting. I expect my place of worship to be a sanctuary, place of peace and forgiveness. A SAFE place to be.
Unfortunately, the media and politicians are using this situation to stir up controversy for their own benefit. And everyone is falling right into their trap! What we should be doing, as a nation, is focusing on the victims and community, sending prayers and showing our support.  |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Anniemae - 2015-06-21 2:56 PM This entire argument would have been avoided if SC had lowered their state flag to half mast. Why wasn't the SC state flag flying at half mast? Shouldn't the murder of innocent victims inside a church warrant a showing of respect and mourning? Shame on the person(s) who made the decision not to lower the flag... When I'm in place of worship, the last thing on my mind is that some crazy person is going to come in, sit quitely for an hour, then start shooting. I expect my place of worship to be a sanctuary, place of peace and forgiveness. A SAFE place to be.
Unfortunately, the media and politicians are using this situation to stir up controversy for their own benefit. And everyone is falling right into their trap! What we should be doing, as a nation, is focusing on the victims and community, sending prayers and showing our support.
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Also, as a nation, we should wonder why we have a generation of young men of different races that have no morals, no respect for human lives and are just completely out of touch with reality.
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I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless.
About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag.
There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue.
Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars"
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jbhoot - 2015-06-20 3:14 PM RidenFly - 2015-06-20 12:53 PM Mitt Romney and plenty of others see the confederate flag as a racist symbol. Well gee, my grandfather was a mounted calvary officer for the confederacy. I though the civil war was fought for a much deeper reason than just the removal of slavery.Â
How do you feel about this? Is Mitt right?  Mitt is entitled to his opinion it is factual. South Carolina can choose to flay the flag if they wish. But along with that comes the fact that it also reminds many of their racist past. You are correct that the civil war was fought for many reasons primarily states rights but the preservation of slavery and racism was a large part of that battle also.
The Confederate Battle Flag is NOT the state flag of SC. The flag that seems to be causing controversy is actually the battle flag of the Army Of Northern Virginia. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | streakysox - 2015-06-21 4:01 PM
watchpeppydoc - 2015-06-21 2:04 PM
jbhoot - 2015-06-20 3:14 PM RidenFly - 2015-06-20 12:53 PM Mitt Romney and plenty of others see the confederate flag as a racist symbol. Well gee, my grandfather was a mounted calvary officer for the confederacy. I though the civil war was fought for a much deeper reason than just the removal of slavery.Â
How do you feel about this? Is Mitt right?  Mitt is entitled to his opinion it is factual. South Carolina can choose to flay the flag if they wish. But along with that comes the fact that it also reminds many of their racist past. You are correct that the civil war was fought for many reasons primarily states rights but the preservation of slavery and racism was a large part of that battle also.
The Confederate Battle Flag is NOT the state flag of SC. The flag that seems to be causing controversy is actually the battle flag of the Army Of Northern Virginia.
Ummm....???? The controversy is caused because the Confederate flag was not lowered as the rest of them were.
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