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| The one is only 5 and shes not the one that runs on Lasix but they didn't know when they bought her she was NFR quality, IMO spending that much on a horse period is crazy. I have made all my own horses and sold them for that much but could never imagine spending that much on a young one (especially if you knew the girls age) | |
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Location: Texas | cheeka77 - 2015-06-22 2:20 PM
The one is only 5 and shes not the one that runs on Lasix but they didn't know when they bought her she was NFR quality, IMO spending that much on a horse period is crazy. I have made all my own horses and sold them for that much but could never imagine spending that much on a young one (especially if you knew the girls age)
well if you are selling them for that much, don't tell your potential buyers its crazy to pay that!! They may just quit paying :P | |
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| yeah......finding one while it is STILL winning.............that ain't gonna happen :) a winning horse is your identity and that don't come cheap
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Location: Kansas | I am amazed that people have the finances to buy a 1D horse. I am very fortunate to have a couple of them but I had to make them with blood, sweat and tears, and I struggle regularly to keep them in the 1D, sound and sane. My gray horse didn't cost a ton as a colt, but if I suddenly had to sell him, he'd have a hefty price tag now because he is so solid, calm enough that a kid could ride and will stand up on any type of ground plus loves to travel & see new things. I think he's the perfect rodeo horse but you're darn right he comes with maintenance and you have to put up with him being a jerk on the ground & a bully to other horses. I've turned down offers to buy him at my trailer and don't believe there is enough money out there for anyone to buy my piglet from me because I know how long it takes to make one like him and how hard it is to keep them at that level. | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
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There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
Im always amazed it takes 500+ texans to make a fast run. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | scared of sharks - 2015-06-22 2:27 PM
yeah......finding one while it is STILL winning.............that ain't gonna happen :) a winning horse is your identity and that don't come cheap
This isn't true. I know where there's one that could be bought for that and he just won quite a bit of money this weekend at an 800+ barrel race, but the owner has two small children and a non-horsey husband, and can rarely go to anything but little jackpots, so she has him for sale because she knows the horse is wasted where she's running. Plus, this girl is a heck of a hand, and knows she can probably make another nice horse, or at least one that's good enough to run where she runs. And that's not the only one out there. Some people don't base their identity on a winning horse. Sometimes they base it on being a wife or a mother or something else, and winning horses CAN be bought. I know of it happening all the time. | |
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Location: Texas | mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. :)
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| grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status. I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays. I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I agree with Joy, here in Texas the horses are not tougher than anywhere else but by virtue of our state being so big and also being prime barrel racing country, we have a larger concentration of those tough horses. Like Joy said, you can be within 2/10ths and not get a check- even paying out 10 holes. | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I would consider both of your ponies 1d because they are pretty consistent in the 1d. No your not going to get a check every time but you should be competitive. Also when you run you are usually running against some of the best not just locally. My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you! | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Itsme - 2015-06-22 3:57 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
Im always amazed it takes 500+ texans to make a fast run.
Nope it only takes one! But if you don't have competition how do you know how good your horse really is? | |
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Location: Texas | mreklaw - 2015-06-22 5:57 PM
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mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I would consider both of your ponies 1d because they are pretty consistent in the 1d. No your not going to get a check every time but you should be competitive. Also when you run you are usually running against some of the best not just locally. My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you!
That I totally agree with... it is way deeper here than most places. I've had plenty of transplants tell me that it was a big change when they started running down south.
If producers and barrel racing organizations would start using the new standard patterns, we wouldn't have to have these discussions about where horses run. Gulf Coast BRA used one last weekend... pattern c, and CasualDust07's sister ran a 14.7 on it. The fastest time prior to that was a 15.2. It would sure put this 1d - 2d or 3d thing to rest, lol.
I'm super happy to report that Pro Elite World Challenge is going to use Pattern C! That's a huge race with a $100,000. payout! | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 7:54 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 5:57 PM
grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I would consider both of your ponies 1d because they are pretty consistent in the 1d. No your not going to get a check every time but you should be competitive. Also when you run you are usually running against some of the best not just locally. My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you!
That I totally agree with... it is way deeper here than most places. I've had plenty of transplants tell me that it was a big change when they started running down south.
If producers and barrel racing organizations would start using the new standard patterns, we wouldn't have to have these discussions about where horses run. Gulf Coast BRA used one last weekend... pattern c, and CasualDust07's sister ran a 14.7 on it. The fastest time prior to that was a 15.2. It would sure put this 1d - 2d or 3d thing to rest, lol.
I'm super happy to report that Pro Elite World Challenge is going to use Pattern C! That's a huge race with a $100,000. payout!
I love the idea of the patterns but ground conditions will still be a major argument. But it's a start in the right direction for sure. | |
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| I see horses that win or place a few tenths off here in colo go to the bigger races and they place about the same.
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Location: North of where I want to be | " My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you!"
This goes to the point that 1D is somewhat regionally dependent. I see this all the time in the pens sizes in our tri state area range from huge to holding pen size. There is a horse here fro sale that is not 1d by any means, but because he ran in the low 15s at a small pen that brings "tough" competition, he is now 1d. Our big shows bring 200-300 entries in the open. A truly consistent 1d horse in this area (regionally) is usually in the 15s. I have a very hard time justifying a 30-40k price tag for a local horse. | |
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Location: Texas | I invite anyone to come to one of our local races and say its not tough because its local. Really?? Guess what- One of our local girls, on a horse she ran here quite a few times, is currently 6th in the NFR standings.
Another local horse, "Froggy," just won $1600 at CPRAs in central Texas last weekend.
I don't get to haul to big races- that's not my horses faults that I can't afford to haul to big shows when they come up, or that I can't miss school to go to them, or that we can't find someone to feed 8 horses, 5 dogs, and 13 cats at our place when we try and go somewhere far. Two of the three mares we run have records that extend to those big races- Lucy has run a 14.8 at Glen Rose, has placed 4th in the 1D at ANHA, filled my WPRA permit. Sorry that poor mare has to lower herself to run "local" now because I can't afford to haul her. Ole Rare Hope is an NBHA TX State Champion with an LTE over $25,000. But I did get to go to a big race in Marshall over Easter and Lucy was in the 1D average. Bottom of it, but she was there.
So no, when I actually do get to go to a big show, I don't clock as good as I normally do because they aren't exactly used to staying in a box stall all weekend, I'm not exactly used to the change of scenery, and my little sister for sure becomes a ball of nerves. And the 2 or 3 chances a year I get to go to a big show, what are the odds that all of our horses work their best and I work my best? Something always comes up- like a blown abscess, a thrown shoe, a respiratory infection. It never ends. | |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-06-23 7:57 AM I invite anyone to come to one of our local races and say its not tough because its local. Really?? Guess what- One of our local girls, on a horse she ran here quite a few times, is currently 6th in the NFR standings. Another local horse, "Froggy," just won $1600 at CPRAs in central Texas last weekend. I don't get to haul to big races- that's not my horses faults that I can't afford to haul to big shows when they come up, or that I can't miss school to go to them, or that we can't find someone to feed 8 horses, 5 dogs, and 13 cats at our place when we try and go somewhere far. Two of the three mares we run have records that extend to those big races- Lucy has run a 14.8 at Glen Rose, has placed 4th in the 1D at ANHA, filled my WPRA permit. Sorry that poor mare has to lower herself to run "local" now because I can't afford to haul her. Ole Rare Hope is an NBHA TX State Champion with an LTE over $25,000. But I did get to go to a big race in Marshall over Easter and Lucy was in the 1D average. Bottom of it, but she was there. So no, when I actually do get to go to a big show, I don't clock as good as I normally do because they aren't exactly used to staying in a box stall all weekend, I'm not exactly used to the change of scenery, and my little sister for sure becomes a ball of nerves. And the 2 or 3 chances a year I get to go to a big show, what are the odds that all of our horses work their best and I work my best? Something always comes up- like a blown abscess, a thrown shoe, a respiratory infection. It never ends.
I agree with all of this, a big race here is 125-200 but just last year two colo girls went to the NFR.
Tough is tough no matter the number of riders or location but the highlighted part below is the only reason I believe super races are or can be a little faster, with that many top riders and horses someone is likely to have a run of a lifetime. | |
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| grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status. I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays. I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
Well my ears just perked up! A half second (sometimes as little as 2/10ths) off is usually where I fall at the rodeos..against some really nice horses. I dont know if your statement holds true in the case of rodeos. The fact that this is my horses first year to go, I guess that isnt too bad afterall :) | |
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| Itsme - 2015-06-23 8:19 AM casualdust07 - 2015-06-23 7:57 AM I invite anyone to come to one of our local races and say its not tough because its local. Really?? Guess what- One of our local girls, on a horse she ran here quite a few times, is currently 6th in the NFR standings. Another local horse, "Froggy," just won $1600 at CPRAs in central Texas last weekend. I don't get to haul to big races- that's not my horses faults that I can't afford to haul to big shows when they come up, or that I can't miss school to go to them, or that we can't find someone to feed 8 horses, 5 dogs, and 13 cats at our place when we try and go somewhere far. Two of the three mares we run have records that extend to those big races- Lucy has run a 14.8 at Glen Rose, has placed 4th in the 1D at ANHA, filled my WPRA permit. Sorry that poor mare has to lower herself to run "local" now because I can't afford to haul her. Ole Rare Hope is an NBHA TX State Champion with an LTE over $25,000. But I did get to go to a big race in Marshall over Easter and Lucy was in the 1D average. Bottom of it, but she was there. So no, when I actually do get to go to a big show, I don't clock as good as I normally do because they aren't exactly used to staying in a box stall all weekend, I'm not exactly used to the change of scenery, and my little sister for sure becomes a ball of nerves. And the 2 or 3 chances a year I get to go to a big show, what are the odds that all of our horses work their best and I work my best? Something always comes up- like a blown abscess, a thrown shoe, a respiratory infection. It never ends. I agree with all of this, a big race here is 125-200 but just last year two colo girls went to the NFR. Tough is tough no matter the number of riders or location but the highlighted part below is the only reason I believe super races are or can be a little faster, with that many top riders and horses someone is likely to have a run of a lifetime.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | The difference between a "Big" barrel race down here and a local race is most true 1D or high dollar rodeo horses aren't gonna run for $250 at a local race. That is not to say those girls wont show up with their colts but not their good horses. Just look at the names and different horses that show up at a Gonzales Wrapn3 where the 1D winner will win $600 versus $1000+ at the big ones in Boerne. Usually 250-300 more horses come to run at more money and you will see NFR horses and nice rodeo horses. And yes the good horses have to start from somewhere, good grief some people take everything so personal. Sure there are nice horses in all areas of the country, I lived in Colorado for awhile and a 50 horse race was surely tough. I drove up and thought it was going to be easy and barely got out with a check. The OP was asking how to find a True 1D horse and I just think you have to take into consideration who, when and where that horse obtained that 1D status that it is being marketed for. Done. 
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