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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Such a heartwrenching tragedy and I know it makes all of us want to protect & prevent things like this from ever happening...but, we don't have the power to stop people from dying...we can control, somewhat, HOW or WHERE...but that's all. I firmly believe that when we've served our purpose here then we go 'home'. One way or another.
My prayers are with this family. 
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Location: East of the Pecos | Jenbabe - 2015-07-01 4:03 PM It really doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't ever see myself taking a 4-wheeler or golf cart to a barrel race. But I don't understand why we should ban them for everyone, including those who are using them correctly and safely. We use our 4-wheeler at home on a regular basis, and when used correctly the risk of accident is very small.
In a perfect world, everyone would be responsible, but unfortunately the irresponsible ones ruin it for everyone else and that's why you have to take them away from everyone. The responsible and law abiding people out there don't need any kind of policing for anything. There's no way to tell ahead of time who will drive safe and who will be reckless. |
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| If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | missroselee - 2015-07-01 11:03 AM
I know this is NOT the appropriate time to be putting this out there. But I've not been known to hold back.
For years, at every major race we have attended, my husband and I have always been extremely bothered by the use of ATVs by EVERYBODY, not just children. It's scary. Not everyone is being extremely dangerous, but as made obvious recently, it doesn't always take speed or danger to create a horrific accident. I know some places do not allow four wheelers.
Am I the only person that feels that there need to be MUCH stricter rules and regulations concerning ATVs at barrel races? Either they need to be banned, or restricted to adult use only, or at least require helmets? I am not saying that the parents of the child that passed should have made her wear a helmet, so please don't think I am blaming them. My heart is breaking in pieces for what they are going through.
But at the same time, why can't we all ban together to prevent another family from going through it? I know ATVs are convenient at races. But we can all survive without them.
Am I way out of line? Or is it fair to ask that changes be considered?
Well.... I understand where you are coming from, tho I've never seen an ATV at a horse event.
Maybe someone here can explain to me why motorcycles are permitted to make noise many decibels higher than my truck or car. |
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| It's not just the kids, grown ups seem to think it's ok to drink and drive on them, too. My sister's bad experience was with two adults. |
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Location: So. California | Prayers to the family of this little girl, I can't imagine what they are going through...
It's not the organization's job to police children. It's the parents responsibility to ensure the safety of their child, set the rules and guidelines and be firm with this decision, regardless of what other children are doing. Helmets are mandatory (under the age of 18) for riding bicycles here. A motorcycle/ATV - absolutely! I worked in the off road motorcycle industry for over 10 years, and those that lived and breathed the industry, made sure their kids had helmets and gear before climbing on. These were kids that could ride with their eyes closed and one hand tied behind their back, ALWAYS with a helmet. Tragic occurances, such as the passing of this little angel, is the reason why... I also know of a bicycle rider that couldn't unclip at a stop, fell over, hit his head just right and died. You don't have to be going fast or doing something crazy for an accident to do serious/permanent damage or worse, death. It happens in an instant...
Again prayers for the little one and her family. |
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| That's what the loud speaker system and announcer is good for .... at different drags or prior to starting a class........ a rule warning of being DQ'd for having an ATV, GOLF CART etc or NOT wearing a helmet etc etc should be used as a reminder ...
Everyone ties up their horses so no reason loose dogs and kids shouldn't be tied up to the trailers too ....
I see this more often .....>>>
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | most of our competitions we cant use atvs.. and we use wheel burrows to carry our gear.we also drive up to the stalls and unload ...
down south golf carts and mopeds .. but everyone is pretty respectfull.... I dont see why atvs need to be flying around .. ban them.imho |
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| Bug Is Alive - 2015-07-01 7:04 PM
Jenbabe - 2015-07-01 4:03 PM It really doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't ever see myself taking a 4-wheeler or golf cart to a barrel race. But I don't understand why we should ban them for everyone, including those who are using them correctly and safely. We use our 4-wheeler at home on a regular basis, and when used correctly the risk of accident is very small.
In a perfect world, everyone would be responsible, but unfortunately the irresponsible ones ruin it for everyone else and that's why you have to take them away from everyone. The responsible and law abiding people out there don't need any kind of policing for anything. There's no way to tell ahead of time who will drive safe and who will be reckless.
I guess that's my problem with this - why should I be punished because someone else can't follow the rules? And it's not just at barrel races, seems to be happening more often in our country. And the other issue I have is that only the people that follow the rules are going to be effected, unless the rules are actually enforced. And again, this is happening all around our country, not just at barrel races. At what point are we going to start holding people accountable for their actions? I'm getting tired of the few ruining things for the many. If we would just deal with the few and show people that there are actually going to be consequences, then perhaps they would get their act together. If not, they will just have to suffer the consequences too. |
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Location: Texas | I personally think it should be a law that you must have a license to operate anything with a motor. I live on a golf course but there is a major street going through our neighborhood. Just last week I saw a golfcart loaded down with 8-10 kids on it (a 4 person golfcart) a very young boy was driving and all kids looked to be age 10 or under, no adult. One of the girls on the back had a towel and it fell under the wheel of the cart and she flew off the back with her towel followed by 2 more kids. The kid driving stopped so hard the all almost flew off. Not to mention this is going down a 4 lane, 35mph road that is extremely dangerous. All I could think was the parents must not know they took the golfcart.. Makes me sick for the parents because if something happened you could only imagine the guilt. |
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| The first thing people as a whole need to do is realize a child dying because of an atv is not an accident, it is a crash. It is preventable, and it starts with parenting at home.
If parents would teach children proper riding etiquette on horses, motorized vehicles, and lead by example both at home and away, the children will learn by example, and open communication with parent and child.
It is tragic this happened, and my heart aches for the family, but why was the child riding around unsupervised?
If what I read was correct, where were the other parents who were allowing their children throw water balloons at someone on an atv?
A big pet peeve of mine is parents neglecting their children at barrel races and the children running around unsupervised like animals |
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| All I can say is that I hope the this totally unselfish parent who seems to be really be trying to make something positive of this tragedy, does not read this thread.
I have taught school for 39 years and I have learned that kids behave very differently when their parents are not around. Even the very best kids can do some really dumb things when they are not accompanied by a parent. I have these kids in class and rarely have a parent sitting in. Without exception, the kids that I know that barrel race are good kids. Do they make good judgement calls? Sometimes not.
From Carmen's mother's post, she slipped off the seat of the 4 Wheeler and bounced on her head several times on the asphalt.
A group who is raising money to help with bills has a T shirt for sale that says. "Be kind, help a stranger, have a Godly attitude" All I am suggesting is that maybe you read this. It is a quote from Carmen's mother. Here is your vocabulary word for the day ---- empathy.
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Location: Arkansas | astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off?? |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I simply dont understand why parents actually parenting these days is such a novel idea! Kids running amuke is no different then dogs running amuke. It's a hazard to ALL! I say ban the parents from the race and fine them. They will quickly learn to keep a tight rein on their kids during the races. They dont need to go to the races and instantly act like heathens. |
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Location: Midwest | I've never seen an ATV at a show. In general, I think those are a little fast for a horse show for anyone without a license (JMHO). Golfcarts and mopeds are usually not nearly as fast (as in they don't get anywhere near the 70-80-100 mph an atv can hit).
Either way, it sounds like this was just a terrible accident. I'm so sorry for the family. When I was a kid, I fell off my bike in the driveway, ending up with a severe concussion. That could have easily been me; and I was just doing circles by myself! I wasn't there, and I agree that the bikes/scooters/etc with children aboard need to be monitored by the parents... but it seems that the girl was just going back to the trailer and fell and not doing anything dangerous.
I've seen just as many kids being dangerous on their horses and ponies- running all around the grounds, running into people, etc.
I just feel so much for the family. I can't even imagine their pain and guilt. My heart goes out to them. |
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| Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
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| Hopefully in the future we will see more helmets and less severe accidents.
Prayers for Carmen's family. |
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| There does need to be stricter rules. I've heard of too many lately being hurt or killed on ATVs. My boyfriend and I wrecked a four wheeler Memorial Day weekend. Luckily we weren't seriously injured but it reminded us how dangerous they can be. I feel that you always hear that they're dangerous, just like anything else you do, but you never know how dangerous it is until you encounter an accident or tragedy. There needs to be more precautions taken I think. I'm praying for that little girl's family as well as that other little girl who passed, that was posted on here. Too young |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2015-07-02 8:13 AM Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
IF just ONE person learns from a tragedy....it is NOT a waste to discuss it...... |
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