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Location: Phoenix | Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-04 6:48 AM
bennie1 - 2015-07-03 11:13 PM This isn't a pure 'chain bit' but I thought the description of this bit from Les Vogt was interesting http://www.lesvogt.com/the-developer-a2/ He even says it is on the 'Milder end of the spectrum' 
I LOVE this type of bit. My horse hates anything across his tongue and loves any sort of roping bit with a port. |
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Location: Phoenix | A book would be helpful for all the girls I see on these tack swap sites asking for advice.....Their horse probably can't lope a collected circle and yet they are trying to barrel race on grass.....no Bueno. I hate to judge but eeeeesh. |
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| Most people want to go from beginner to pro overnight but cant remember to feed Monday thru Thursday. Second they don't want to set aside the NORMAL LIFE Monday thru Thursday to get better and learn they just want to be BETTY BARREL RACER on Friday - sunday. Third they want everyone else to do the work, research, studying, mistakes, the well craps that didn't works, for them and just give them the info that others put a lot of time, money, effort , money, and money , and more money into to come up with a program that works for them. So to say there is a science to it is true but there are several way " that work" to train a barrel horse, to feed and care for a barrel horse, and to ride a barrel horse. My last rant is nothing drives me more nuts than going to a show and parents strapping these kids in a saddle on a horse they have no business being on. PEOPLE put your kids on horses they can learn and grow on not something to get your own fix filled for the weekend... |
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Location: Florida.. | Its the Journey of learning that makes it rewarding , even with a book it doesnt mean its all going to work or be correct for you and your horse.. its all a bunch of words and knowledge put together . Always take what you learn and store it away and add more to it from other trainers and riders , take what makes sense and take what works for the horse and if you ever think your done learning.... you should hang up your bridle and walk away... as far as scammers etc.. we as riders need to be smart.. and sites like this.. have a wealth of information... some correct, some not .. think, research, and Inquire .. as far as making fun of others that are learning, well we all started somewhere .. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-04 12:45 PM Its the Journey of learning that makes it rewarding , even with a book it doesnt mean its all going to work or be correct for you and your horse.. its all a bunch of words and knowledge put together . Always take what you learn and store it away and add more to it from other trainers and riders , take what makes sense and take what works for the horse and if you ever think your done learning.... you should hang up your bridle and walk away... as far as scammers etc.. we as riders need to be smart.. and sites like this.. have a wealth of information... some correct, some not .. think, research, and Inquire .. as far as making fun of others that are learning, well we all started somewhere ..
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| Kaycee - 2015-07-03 9:53 PM
There is a beginner's book, it's called- The internet.
I was going to say Martha Josey's book was a great beginner's book....her video too. |
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| I remember entering my first rodeo ..... man i was in tears I could not get through and entries were almost over. Im so glad nice kind people helped me get started. Not everbody was raised in a rodeo family, its not second nature to us all.
There are tons and tons of books and articles on many of the topics listed, but books are just words we dont all learn that way either. But I do like reading and have tons of equine / barrel racing books and videos to referance. I like the really old ones too how things used to be done and treated. We have a medical vet advice type one from many moons ago. Its very intresting, not at all practical anymore ..... as preg checking involved mice if the vet could not palpate lol. But intresting for sure.
I don't mind when people ask questions, I helped a young girl get her first membership and how to enter, what to do when you get toyour first rodeo. What to expect in slack v rs perf ext ext ext. Just answred all her questions the best i could, Its a big scarry step if its all new and you know nobody there.
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Location: North Dakota | There is indeed a ton of misinformation out there! I see it all the time on here and other forums and websites. The thing is, you just can't expect to learn from a book or a website. I read a million books about horse care and ownership all throughout my childhood/teen years. I took riding lessons since I was 6 but nothing could have prepared me for evertyhing I've gone through owning horses. It's something you have to experience and learn as you go, hopefully with a good mentor. Just like learning to barrel race, you can't learn everything from a book or website. It's also your personal responsibility to research the products you use on your horse. Taking the BOT/PHT example, the real info is READILY available if people bother to look. |
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| BBLO - 2015-07-04 12:13 PM
Most people want to go from beginner to pro overnight but cant remember to feed Monday thru Thursday. Second they don't want to set aside the NORMAL LIFE Monday thru Thursday to get better and learn they just want to be BETTY BARREL RACER on Friday - sunday. Third they want everyone else to do the work, research, studying, mistakes, the well craps that didn't works, for them and just give them the info that others put a lot of time, money, effort , money, and money , and more money into to come up with a program that works for them. So to say there is a science to it is true but there are several way " that work" to train a barrel horse, to feed and care for a barrel horse, and to ride a barrel horse. My last rant is nothing drives me more nuts than going to a show and parents strapping these kids in a saddle on a horse they have no business being on. PEOPLE put your kids on horses they can learn and grow on not something to get your own fix filled for the weekend...
Lots of truth in what you typed here. I know people who give lots of lip service to learning and getting better, but devote very little time and sweat.
Lots of people have jobs and life events that limit them, I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about people who have no motivation to improve and when they ask for help, they really don't want to hear anything but good news and pats on the back. |
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| You could kinda call me a beginner barrel racer. I've ridden a lot before (trail riding, cutting, showing saddle seat, etc) and bought a beginner barrel horse about 2 years ago and tried learning. She was wonderful, but stupid me bought a horse during a time that I really didn't have time for one so I didn't ever get the experience that I wanted or needed. I sold my horses last year and am now starting from scratch again learning to barrel race with out my own horses. I would actually LOVE if they had a beginner barrel racing book. Luckily I try and watch a lot of videos, gather helpful information from everyone on here, google, and am getting lessons and listening to people who have barrel raced before. It still would be nice if there was a book with all of the nitty gritty details that one needs to know! ETA that there could never be a book with all of the information you need to know but it sure would be nice. Kind of a book that replenished itself and added more pages in different chapters. Lol
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Location: Florida.. | blccwgl55 - 2015-07-05 6:52 PM You could kinda call me a beginner barrel racer. I've ridden a lot before (trail riding, cutting, showing saddle seat, etc) and bought a beginner barrel horse about 2 years ago and tried learning. She was wonderful, but stupid me bought a horse during a time that I really didn't have time for one so I didn't ever get the experience that I wanted or needed. I sold my horses last year and am now starting from scratch again learning to barrel race with out my own horses. I would actually LOVE if they had a beginner barrel racing book. Luckily I try and watch a lot of videos, gather helpful information from everyone on here, google, and am getting lessons and listening to people who have barrel raced before. It still would be nice if there was a book with all of the nitty gritty details that one needs to know! ETA that there could never be a book with all of the information you need to know but it sure would be nice. Kind of a book that replenished itself and added more pages in different chapters. Lol
she summed it up....
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | blccwgl55 - 2015-07-05 5:52 PM You could kinda call me a beginner barrel racer. I've ridden a lot before (trail riding, cutting, showing saddle seat, etc) and bought a beginner barrel horse about 2 years ago and tried learning. She was wonderful, but stupid me bought a horse during a time that I really didn't have time for one so I didn't ever get the experience that I wanted or needed. I sold my horses last year and am now starting from scratch again learning to barrel race with out my own horses. I would actually LOVE if they had a beginner barrel racing book. Luckily I try and watch a lot of videos, gather helpful information from everyone on here, google, and am getting lessons and listening to people who have barrel raced before. It still would be nice if there was a book with all of the nitty gritty details that one needs to know! ETA that there could never be a book with all of the information you need to know but it sure would be nice. Kind of a book that replenished itself and added more pages in different chapters. Lol
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| I know it! I'm learning new things every day in all aspects of life. It really is never ending. Some things I would rather learn easier but if I didn't learn it the hard way like I've had to with some things, I would never get any smarter or stronger. Horses are one of those things! |
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Location: Arkansas | I think the sport has evolved so much that the basics aren't just the basics anymore!!! I feel like I'm pretty knowledgable and then I get humbled every time!! It's a quickly evolving industry and it's hard to keep up! I may ask what seems like a dumb question to someone else, but to me it's a chance to learn something. There is plenty of material out there to get someone started, but in the beginning, who would even think about feeding schedules, recovery equipment and bits?? That just takes time and experience to learn. We all started somewhere and we had to learn somehow! |
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| Brrlracengirl - 2015-07-05 6:52 PM
I think the sport has evolved so much that the basics aren't just the basics anymore!!! I feel like I'm pretty knowledgable and then I get humbled every time!! It's a quickly evolving industry and it's hard to keep up! I may ask what seems like a dumb question to someone else, but to me it's a chance to learn something. There is plenty of material out there to get someone started, but in the beginning, who would even think about feeding schedules, recovery equipment and bits?? That just takes time and experience to learn. We all started somewhere and we had to learn somehow!
Evolved or devolved?
I believe a lot of the new trends are BS and driven by social media and people with their hands in the cookie jar. A lot of the older class riders are still kicking butt and not spending a fortune on the so called latest and greatest gadgets. |
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Location: on my horse | As bibs and a few others have mentioned someone could write that book and by next week we would all think of something else to add.
As far as learning from things on the forum go I love this forum for the information and leads I can get. I take what I read works or doesn't work for certain people think it through, research it until my eyeballs are numb and then test it out if I feel my horses or myself will benefit. For example miss one board buddy sent me a link on Facebook that helped me immeasurably with keeping myself sucked down and centered around a barrel, while just last week I was stalking the forums reading old threads about bits and ended up getting a great recommendation from svincent as well as a wonderful pole exercise to help round out my horse. These things came after a lot of research however.
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Location: Arkansas | Itsme - 2015-07-05 8:02 PM
Brrlracengirl - 2015-07-05 6:52 PM
I think the sport has evolved so much that the basics aren't just the basics anymore!!! I feel like I'm pretty knowledgable and then I get humbled every time!! It's a quickly evolving industry and it's hard to keep up! I may ask what seems like a dumb question to someone else, but to me it's a chance to learn something. There is plenty of material out there to get someone started, but in the beginning, who would even think about feeding schedules, recovery equipment and bits?? That just takes time and experience to learn. We all started somewhere and we had to learn somehow!
Evolved or devolved?
I believe a lot of the new trends are BS and driven by social media and people with their hands in the cookie jar. A lot of the older class riders are still kicking butt and not spending a fortune on the so called latest and greatest gadgets.
That's a good point. If only our horses could speak and tell us what does and doesn't work for them!! Blanketed from head to toe in gear probably isn't very comfortable. They are horses and sometimes they need to be turned out and treated as such. But I also believe that the medicinal side of things has improved tremendously! |
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| The replies to all those questions are different according to what level you are on and everyone is right its a journey and overtime your answers will change according to what is going to work for your life and your horses at the time.
Plus not everyone is as serious as some people. Some are in it for a hobby and some for a business making those answers different as well. |
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Location: Midwest | This one is a great start for beginners!
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/charmayne-james-on-barrel-racing-ch... |
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| Thank you for posting that! I think I'm gonna buy that book! Just from the little excerpt, I can see that it can help me with the intimidation I'm dealing with, etc. Thanks! |
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