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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-14 3:47 PM I dont care what the base is, I am very concerned in general with any DDG in feed other than cattle feed. I guess I need to educate myself but I see it daily. Talk about a by product. Is it a pellet SG?
Unless you are going to feed a plain grain, you will have to accept by products. I am choosing this feed because of some quality issues I had with the "other" Feed. This is a simpler mixed and a soft pellet. DDG isn't that bad of a thing in the grand scheme of things. Moldy feed, Ionophores in feed etc. I will take DDG It is a very small amount. They are a fixed formulation
I suggest you call the company and let them explain the DDG. I bet you are happy with how they educate you versus other feed mills |
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Location: North Dakota | SG. - 2015-07-14 4:00 PM
TurnLane - 2015-07-14 3:47 PM I dont care what the base is, I am very concerned in general with any DDG in feed other than cattle feed. I guess I need to educate myself but I see it daily. Talk about a by product. Is it a pellet SG? Â
Unless you are going to feed a plain grain, you will have to accept by products. I am choosing this feed because of some quality issues I had with the "other" Feed. This is a simpler mixed and a soft pellet. DDG isn't that bad of a thing in the grand scheme of things. Moldy feed, Ionophores in feed etc. I will take DDG It is a very small amount. They are a fixed formulation
I suggest you call the company and let them explain the DDG. I bet you are happy with how they educate you versus other feed millsÂ
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-14 11:00 PM
SG. - 2015-07-14 4:00 PM
TurnLane - 2015-07-14 3:47 PM I dont care what the base is, I am very concerned in general with any DDG in feed other than cattle feed. I guess I need to educate myself but I see it daily. Talk about a by product. Is it a pellet SG? Â
Unless you are going to feed a plain grain, you will have to accept by products. I am choosing this feed because of some quality issues I had with the "other" Feed. This is a simpler mixed and a soft pellet. DDG isn't that bad of a thing in the grand scheme of things. Moldy feed, Ionophores in feed etc. I will take DDG It is a very small amount. They are a fixed formulation
I suggest you call the company and let them explain the DDG. I bet you are happy with how they educate you versus other feed millsÂ
What is DDG?
Dried distillers grain. During the drought and in winter we feed a liquid feed to the cows - it is a main ingredient in liquid cattle feed. |
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Location: North Dakota | GLP - 2015-07-14 11:11 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-14 11:00 PM
SG. - 2015-07-14 4:00 PM
TurnLane - 2015-07-14 3:47 PM I dont care what the base is, I am very concerned in general with any DDG in feed other than cattle feed. I guess I need to educate myself but I see it daily. Talk about a by product. Is it a pellet SG? Â
Unless you are going to feed a plain grain, you will have to accept by products. I am choosing this feed because of some quality issues I had with the "other" Feed. This is a simpler mixed and a soft pellet. DDG isn't that bad of a thing in the grand scheme of things. Moldy feed, Ionophores in feed etc. I will take DDG It is a very small amount. They are a fixed formulation
I suggest you call the company and let them explain the DDG. I bet you are happy with how they educate you versus other feed millsÂ
What is DDG?
Dried distillers grain. During the drought and in winter we feed a liquid feed to the cows - it is a main ingredient in liquid cattle feed.
Ok, interesting. So is there any reason someone wouldn't want it in horse feed? |
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| Well, the cows did better this winter and winter before last. We fed them the liquid feed and then a mix of our own - milo, corn and cotton seed plus hay. The winter before that, we fed liquid feed and hay only and they were a little poor. I have to add that during the last 5 years we have been in a severe drought. That is why we turned to liquid feed with DDG in it. Without it we would have had to sell a lot more cattle than we did. |
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Location: mi | Progressive has always been one of the top brands of feed. But it is a bit more expensive but even worse its just not carried in alot of places so can be a pain to get. But if you can it is top of the line.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | ajs2002 - 2015-07-15 6:25 AM Progressive has always been one of the top brands of feed. But it is a bit more expensive but even worse its just not carried in alot of places so can be a pain to get. But if you can it is top of the line.
In our area it is a LOT more expensive, like 5 times as high.
I agree, by products are a way of life in livestock feed- it just depends on who is aguing what. Many say they will only feed whole ingredients vs floor sweepings. Of course I see about 30 semi loads a day of these by products and the trucks and drivers that deliver these products is a whole other issue. I have never considered wheat midds a bad product but I am sure there are many of the past feed threads where it gets bashed as floor sweepings much like DDG's. I guess it really all depends on who is promoting their theory.
There is the molasses argument and yet many feed beet pulp and it is a by product of molasses with a high sugar content, although for clarification in this feed it says plain beet pulp (which I have ever rarely seen).
One of the very best broodmare bands in our area with the best yearlings that follow, feed Progressive. I have no doubt it is one of the very best choices available commercially.
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Location: mi | 5 Times as high as other name brand same type of feeds? That is not what I found when I was looking into using it. If I compared say the Buckeye ration balancer to the Progressive ration balancer. There was just a couple dollar per bag difference. But it was a pain in the hiney to get in my area.
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-15 8:51 AM ajs2002 - 2015-07-15 6:25 AM Progressive has always been one of the top brands of feed. But it is a bit more expensive but even worse its just not carried in alot of places so can be a pain to get. But if you can it is top of the line.
In our area it is a LOT more expensive, like 5 times as high.
I agree, by products are a way of life in livestock feed- it just depends on who is aguing what. Many say they will only feed whole ingredients vs floor sweepings. Of course I see about 30 semi loads a day of these by products and the trucks and drivers that deliver these products is a whole other issue. I have never considered wheat midds a bad product but I am sure there are many of the past feed threads where it gets bashed as floor sweepings much like DDG's. I guess it really all depends on who is promoting their theory.
There is the molasses argument and yet many feed beet pulp and it is a by product of molasses with a high sugar content, although for clarification in this feed it says plain beet pulp (which I have ever rarely seen).
One of the very best broodmare bands in our area with the best yearlings that follow, feed Progressive. I have no doubt it is one of the very best choices available commercially.
It isn't 5 times as high
The ProElite I got yesterday was $23.50 The BlueBonnet is $19.95
But a scoop of Elite weighs a 1/3 of what the Bluebonnet intensify weighs. The horses at first went yuck because it taste on the BB But I wet it and they scarfed it right up.
Wheat middlings are needed for a binding agent. It is just fiber
Yes it is a plain non molasses beet pulp. It is readily available where I live.
Blue Bonnet needs to clean up their processing I didn't like finding moldy chunks here and there in my feed. SO There is it. That's why I left. And they haven't wanted to make it right with the feed store either
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Location: Here | ajs2002 - 2015-07-15 10:01 AM 5 Times as high as other name brand same type of feeds? That is not what I found when I was looking into using it. If I compared say the Buckeye ration balancer to the Progressive ration balancer. There was just a couple dollar per bag difference. But it was a pain in the hiney to get in my area.
It isn't Cheap sweet feed is $15 a bag here... |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Great feed, I just can't feed it because it has Beet Pulp which is HIGH in calcium which is a major no no for CC :-( No one carries Blue Bonnet out here and I can't afford to become a dealer. Thank God for Renew Gold. |
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Location: North Dakota | Here the Pro Elite is $32/bag and the Perf. 8 pellets are $17 a bag. I did the math and the perf. 8 would be cheaper than my current mix of RG, Alfalfa pellets, beet pulp, and supplements. Not much but like $20 a month. |
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| SG. - 2015-07-15 11:38 AM
TurnLane - 2015-07-15 8:51 AM ajs2002 - 2015-07-15 6:25 AM Progressive has always been one of the top brands of feed. But it is a bit more expensive but even worse its just not carried in alot of places so can be a pain to get. But if you can it is top of the line.
 In our area it is a LOT more expensive, like 5 times as high.
I agree, by products are a way of life in livestock feed- it just depends on who is aguing what. Many say they will only feed whole ingredients vs floor sweepings. Of course I see about 30 semi loads a day of these by products and the trucks and drivers that deliver these products is a whole other issue. I have never considered wheat midds a bad product but I am sure there are many of the past feed threads where it gets bashed as floor sweepings much like DDG's. I guess it really all depends on who is promoting their theory.
There is the molasses argument and yet many feed beet pulp and it is a by product of molasses with a high sugar content, although for clarification in this feed it says plain beet pulp (which I have ever rarely seen).
One of the very best broodmare bands in our area with the best yearlings that follow, feed Progressive. I have no doubt it is one of the very best choices available commercially. Â
It isn't 5 times as high
The ProElite I got yesterday was $23.50 The BlueBonnet is $19.95
But a scoop of Elite weighs a 1/3 of what the Bluebonnet intensify weighs. The horses at first went yuck because it taste on the BB But I wet it and they scarfed it right up.
Wheat middlings are needed for a binding agent. It is just fiber
Yes it is a plain non molasses beet pulp. It is readily available where I live.
Blue Bonnet needs to clean up their processing I didn't like finding moldy chunks here and there in my feed. SO There is it. That's why I left. And they haven't wanted to make it right with the feed store eitherÂ
That totally surprises me about you finding moldy chunks in your blue bonnet feed and that would not make it right. Thats a huge bummer! I personally have not had a single issue with finding yucky stuff in any of my blue bonnet feed. It's really been the cleanest pellet I've ever seen and my horses love it. I'm gonna keep my eye on it for sure though. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | want2chase3 - 2015-07-15 2:30 PM SG. - 2015-07-15 11:38 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-15 8:51 AM ajs2002 - 2015-07-15 6:25 AM Progressive has always been one of the top brands of feed. But it is a bit more expensive but even worse its just not carried in alot of places so can be a pain to get. But if you can it is top of the line.
In our area it is a LOT more expensive, like 5 times as high.
I agree, by products are a way of life in livestock feed- it just depends on who is aguing what. Many say they will only feed whole ingredients vs floor sweepings. Of course I see about 30 semi loads a day of these by products and the trucks and drivers that deliver these products is a whole other issue. I have never considered wheat midds a bad product but I am sure there are many of the past feed threads where it gets bashed as floor sweepings much like DDG's. I guess it really all depends on who is promoting their theory.
There is the molasses argument and yet many feed beet pulp and it is a by product of molasses with a high sugar content, although for clarification in this feed it says plain beet pulp (which I have ever rarely seen).
One of the very best broodmare bands in our area with the best yearlings that follow, feed Progressive. I have no doubt it is one of the very best choices available commercially.
It isn't 5 times as high
The ProElite I got yesterday was $23.50 The BlueBonnet is $19.95
But a scoop of Elite weighs a 1/3 of what the Bluebonnet intensify weighs. The horses at first went yuck because it taste on the BB But I wet it and they scarfed it right up.
Wheat middlings are needed for a binding agent. It is just fiber
Yes it is a plain non molasses beet pulp. It is readily available where I live.
Blue Bonnet needs to clean up their processing I didn't like finding moldy chunks here and there in my feed. SO There is it. That's why I left. And they haven't wanted to make it right with the feed store either
That totally surprises me about you finding moldy chunks in your blue bonnet feed and that would not make it right. Thats a huge bummer! I personally have not had a single issue with finding yucky stuff in any of my blue bonnet feed. It's really been the cleanest pellet I've ever seen and my horses love it. I'm gonna keep my eye on it for sure though.
I agree, I have heard nothing but great things about BB's appearance and customer service.
Wheat midds are not a binder. When I think of my horse roaming in the free world, I envision him eating oat grass or wheat. I dont think of him eating corn in the field but I am sure it is an option.
But now that you say that, I wondered what Progressive was going to point to as their binder since 80% of pellets use molasses to bind. Wheat midds is the first ingredient in the progressive senior feed list so I find it odd that the majority of the ration would be binder? Binder should be minimal. I still have a hard time with bentonite as a binder since we sell it straight from the bag as a pond dam filler even though it is labeled as safe for use, it is what Omnis uses to bind the alfalfa. And again, we love that product.
Maybe we are not comparing apples to apples- progessive feed here in our area is $40 bag but that might be the ration balaner that we sell TONS of to the big name race horse breeeder I mentioned earlier.
And, I dont think I am wrong at all that molasses is a by product of sugar beets but feel free to correct me... And sugar beet pulp, yet another by product, is what 90% of the bagged shredded beet pulp is derived from.
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| Now that you brought up the bentonite as a binder in the danco cubes... a few weeks ago I was out visiting my sister and was trying to help her get a few local stores to look into carrying the cubes.. one store owner asked what was in the cubes and then wanted to know what they used to bind.. I said I believe it was bentonite. Well the look she gave her partner and said ohhh. Bentonite. . That's a deal breaker she said she refused to sell anything with that in it. Which surprised me because I always thought it was safe and normal. I feed the omnis as well and I love them and my horses do too. I don't have an issue with bentonite but apparently some do. |
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Location: West Texas | From what I have read and seen, Bentonite is a natural detox. It can help with support the immune system and help alkalize the body. It is helpful with inflammation reduction and is especially valuable as a treatment for ulcers. It is very safe and a natural product that aids in horse health. Additionally, it provides 70 essential trace minerals.
Many people use bentonite themselves and it is sold in natural foods and natural health stores and I feel that is very safe for my horses.
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Location: Where the road leads me | Just an FYI these are the same people that make Nutrena |
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| Tdove - 2015-07-15 4:26 PM
From what I have read and seen, Bentonite is a natural detox. It can help with support the immune system and help alkalize the body. It is helpful with inflammation reduction and is especially valuable as a treatment for ulcers. It is very safe and a natural product that aids in horse health. Additionally, it provides 70 essential trace minerals.
Many people use bentonite themselves and it is sold in natural foods and natural health stores and I feel that is very safe for my horses.
When I researched bentonite, this what I found also. I did not find anything about it being harmful. |
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Location: North Dakota | Running2Win - 2015-07-15 5:02 PM
Just an FYI these are the same people that make Nutrena
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SG. - 2015-07-15 11:05 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 8:42 PM Running2Win - 2015-07-15 5:02 PM Just an FYI these are the same people that make Nutrena Where did you get that nugget of info? Exactly my question. Because they are not nutrena
They do produce the Nutrena brand.
This is from their home page -
http://www.cargill.com/feed/brands/index.jsp
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