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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 9:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
To get better one must acknowledge one's weaknesses and short-comings. These type of people pull no punches and put it out there - some folks are better at telling you how crappy you truly are. I'd rather spend a day with a tough one who I know is pointing out all of my issues than someone who will not and does not tell me the truth. I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to go play with the big girls / boys I had to step up, put my feelings / emotions in check and get coaching that pushed me forward. Did I like all I heard? No. Did I and my horses improve? Absolutely. With that said, it is important to work with someone you are comfortable with -- who has credibility, the knowledge and can get that knowledge transferred to you in a means that you can use it. This is the reason there are so many out there teaching clinics. We are individuals. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I went to one and personally LOVED Stormy, I could learn from Stormy and the way she explained things better than Sharon. If Stormy did them on her own I would go in a heartbeat. |
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Location: Kansas | swd - 2015-08-10 4:06 PM I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn.
Absolutely no excuse for rudeness, bluntness or making anybody cry. A barrel racing clinic should be a pleasant learning experience. If things aren't soaking in, maybe it's the instructors fault, not yours. Make them cry. They might be wasting your hard-earned money. Not everyone who made a trip to a pro rodeo or trained a good horse is qualified to teach others.
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Location: Paradise , tx | Frodo - 2015-08-11 7:37 AM swd - 2015-08-10 4:06 PM I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn. Absolutely no excuse for rudeness, bluntness or making anybody cry. A barrel racing clinic should be a pleasant learning experience. If things aren't soaking in, maybe it's the instructors fault, not yours. Make them cry. They might be wasting your hard-earned money. Not everyone who made a trip to a pro rodeo or trained a good horse is qualified to teach others.
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | swd - 2015-08-10 5:06 PM I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn.
So, just curious...telling an 11 year old girl (or anyone for that matter) that the horse they were on would not even make good dog food is acceptable? We were there for instruction and corrections, not to be ridiculed, made fun of and if you were lucky ignored. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | The BEST clinic I ever attended was put on the the Reinhardts. They came to Florida years ago. They probably had 100 bits with them and other equipment all from different manufacturers. Their goal was to learn, enjoy and find what works for you and your horse. Never insulted anyone, never made fun of any one but easily made corrections that made sense.
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| Delta Cowgirl - 2015-08-10 3:42 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 9:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
To get better one must acknowledge one's weaknesses and short-comings. These type of people pull no punches and put it out there - some folks are better at telling you how crappy you truly are. I'd rather spend a day with a tough one who I know is pointing out all of my issues than someone who will not and does not tell me the truth. I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to go play with the big girls / boys I had to step up, put my feelings / emotions in check and get coaching that pushed me forward. Did I like all I heard? No. Did I and my horses improve? Absolutely. With that said, it is important to work with someone you are comfortable with -- who has credibility, the knowledge and can get that knowledge transferred to you in a means that you can use it. This is the reason there are so many out there teaching clinics. We are individuals.
I absolutely agree. There are several ladies that we ride with here who have notable titles in their pasts (4x IFR quialifier, California Circut champ 5 years in a row, futurites, etc) who we would like to get clinics/lessons from...but these ladies won't do it because they are not "nice" and said that they have made people cry in the past. Who cares?!!! I want to ride like a winner! It won't be the first time a trainer has made me cry...but I also have my fair share of titles from back in the day, too. So to me it is definitely worth it if it makes me a better rider.  |
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-11 12:50 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2015-08-10 3:42 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 9:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
To get better one must acknowledge one's weaknesses and short-comings. These type of people pull no punches and put it out there - some folks are better at telling you how crappy you truly are. I'd rather spend a day with a tough one who I know is pointing out all of my issues than someone who will not and does not tell me the truth. I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to go play with the big girls / boys I had to step up, put my feelings / emotions in check and get coaching that pushed me forward. Did I like all I heard? No. Did I and my horses improve? Absolutely. With that said, it is important to work with someone you are comfortable with -- who has credibility, the knowledge and can get that knowledge transferred to you in a means that you can use it. This is the reason there are so many out there teaching clinics. We are individuals.
I absolutely agree. There are several ladies that we ride with here who have notable titles in their pasts (4x IFR quialifier, California Circut champ 5 years in a row, futurites, etc ) who we would like to get clinics/lessons from...but these ladies won't do it because they are not "nice" and said that they have made people cry in the past. Who cares?!!! I want to ride like a winner! It won't be the first time a trainer has made me cry...but I also have my fair share of titles from back in the day, too. So to me it is definitely worth it if it makes me a better rider.
Yes! We are lucky here in CA with so much talent and experience in some ladies to teach us. Don't cry, just do what's being asked and be grateful for the learning opportunity. The clinic I won't go back to is the one from the trainer who blows smoke up a riders butt about their horse's potential or their riding abilities. Tell me like it is, I can call my mom if I want to hear how great I am. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have posted before about going to one of her clinics and yes, she was very rude and I can still remember our not nice conversations. This was back in 1996 and I didn't care for her personality but I have always liked her methods etc. I could ride behind her easily. I think it was a hard time for her back then, what I can remember. I picked up a few things and that alone was worth the money spent. I have gotten over the other and have used many of her ideas and methods through out my barrel racing years. In fact, I was going through my computer room and found all kinds of articles she has written through the years that I cut out and saved.
She didn't push her saddles or bits but had all of her bits for people to try and she didn't suggest one of her bits for everyone.
As far as bits goes, I have gone to many clinics and what I needed was a bit change to make the difference between getting a check.
I have found that you don't have to have had many winners nor horses that you trained to be a good teacher. I had a friend that couldn't ride in a stagecoach with the doors closed but could pick out what I did and what the horse was doing. She had a great eye and had gone to many clinics so she knew what worked but just never could ride good enough to apply them for herself.
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | I always feel the need to stand up for Sharon Camarillo, even though it was almost 30 years ago I went to her clinic.
It was a fantastic and worthy experience for me and I have nothing but respect and admiration for her. She was the utmost professional, absolutely dedicated to teaching and her student's learning and INTENSE. Many girls were present that thought they knew more than she did and were obviously just there for the social aspect. Sharon had little patience with them. I went there having a very humble and receptive attitude even though I had been riding and showing successfully for many, many years. Everybody else was on some high powered QH or TB and I brought a little, froo-froo and very pampered (but VERY well broke) Arabian...I was sure she would sneer at me and my little scared of the barrel horse.
She was a consummate horsewoman and taught those that wanted to learn well. A very few months later, the little Arabian and I won the first ever Arabian Barrel Race at the US Nationals. I doubt that would have happened if it weren't for Sharon's excellent instruction. Tough: yes. I didn't want to waste time or money getting compliments or sugar coating. I used a lot of her methods in training many other types of horses in other disciplines to great success. My $$ well spent. Attending an Ed Wright clinic several years ago was a very similar experience, with regard to method of teaching and learning. The good ones are intense, serious, dedicated to you getting your money's worth and being the best you can be. It doesn't enhance their reputation if someone doesn't come away from their clinics
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Location: nj | Great clinics, great teacher, great rider. If you have the chance to go to one of her clinics do it. |
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Location: Missouri | I think the biggest mistake people make going into a clinic no matter who the person is.......is expecting a pat on the back and them to tell you how amazing you and your horse are.
Go expecting to learn and get better. Hopefully you will take something away from the clinic that will help you. That is why you are there. Very few people can master the art coaching without stepping on a few toes. |
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| I've been to two of her clinics on different horses. I think she is great! She is knowledgeable and very big on horsemanship and correct riding! Let's not forget the reason we go to clinics, no matter who the clinicians are,you are there to become a better rider than you came! I don't want any clinician to butter coat my riding ability! I also have thick skin. Don't tell me I'm great when I suck! Sharon and Ed Wright tell it like it is and that's why I payed money to go. To become a better rider. |
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Location: Midwest | kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM
About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo.
I don't know her from Adam, but a gal fell at the NFR last year and we all know she was a heck of a hand to get there.
Sometimes, s*** happens and ain't nobody above a horse humbling them. Doesn't make them any less of a horseman! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo.
I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
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| kabarrels - 2015-08-12 5:47 PM
Nevertooold - 2015-08-12 1:00 PM
kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo.
I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
All I stated was what happened and the reactions of the people involved in the clinic. I was watching from the stands, and had been there all day from seeing a pleasure class before the clinic begun. How could I be the clown? Screw off.
Calling some one a clown because they came off a horse they borrowed is mean. As someone who is trying to overcome fear of riding in front of my peers because of this very thing i suddenly find myself realizing people like you really don't matter to me anymore. |
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Location: Colorado | GLP - 2015-08-12 7:23 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 5:47 PM Nevertooold - 2015-08-12 1:00 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo. I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
All I stated was what happened and the reactions of the people involved in the clinic. I was watching from the stands, and had been there all day from seeing a pleasure class before the clinic begun. How could I be the clown? Screw off.
Many years ago a good friend fell off her horse at Greeley. She just flat wasn't paying attenton he zigged and she didn't. She was laughing so hard that someone else had to catch her horse.
I guarantee she was a hell of a hand. And just happened to be the WPRA President that year. Which made it evan better because the announcer had just made a BIG deal about who she was and her accomplishments. And for a long time after he made sure to ask her if she was trick riding or running barrels.
Calling someone a clown for hitting the dirt says a lot more about you than the person riding.
Sharon is a hand. You may not like her style nor be able to ride behind her. But, that says more about you than her. And your smart comment to NTO says a lot about your lack of class.
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider. |
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Location: South Central Florida | I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider. |
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