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Location: The edge of no where | hammer_time - 2015-08-20 1:06 PM I missed ALL of this...:so lost!!!
Short story - it's been rumored that the calf roping was fixed. Some of the runs were very suspicious. Seemed fixed so that a wild card would win a chunk of the$1,000,000 and then it was going to be split with the top guys. There really seems to be something to the rumors for all the law enforcement agencies to be involved....idk what laws are involved, but it seems rather serious. There was a LOT of talk about people getting away with it. They do state that NO money has been paid out in the calf roping as of yet....it's getting addressed. |
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| I have heard a lot from both sides and I know who I personally believe, but it is all just hearsay from outsiders and one man's word (who has been summonsed and refuses to lie for them under oath) against the other three. I don't know how they will ever prove if anything happened or not, but I wish they would decide, get the investigation over with and move forward. I hate for the negativity to fall on The American. It is such a great event.. I can just see the PRCA Commissioners snickering in the background... ugh. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SpaceCowboy - 2015-08-20 1:32 PM I have heard a lot from both sides and I know who I personally believe, but it is all just hearsay from outsiders and one man's word (who has been summonsed and refuses to lie for them under oath) against the other three. I don't know how they will ever prove if anything happened or not, but I wish they would decide, get the investigation over with and move forward. I hate for the negativity to fall on The American. It is such a great event.. I can just see the PRCA Commissioners snickering in the background... ugh.
I wonder if they has those super sonic type drone/camera things that can review footage to read lips or maybe even pick up converstaions? I hate that it gives the sport a black eye. |
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Location: SE KS | There are a few in that top 4 that are NOT what people perceive them to be....
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Dinero10 - 2015-08-20 3:18 PM There are a few in that top 4 that are NOT what people perceive them to be....
As in any discipline. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Well that was a waste of time reading..LOL |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | So if Tuf had won he would have won how much? $100k? His share of 1/2 a million would be $125k so I'm sorry but that is not that much more. I don't get it. How many split the million last year?
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Location: West Texas | Well, this is very interesting, of course. So is all the controversy around just Tuf? Doesn't it take all of them to play the game? It would be hard to pull off, no doubt. However, it seems like a scheme someone might be involved in. How do you prove it? I see no way to. Even if I planned on it, how does someone say that I followed through.
As far as Tuf is concerned, the only thing that looks suspicious to me is the tie. He could have taken one wrap yes and that is certainly what many would have done. But simply not doing one wrap isn't proof in itself. In the video it looked like he two handed the tie, although incredibly fast. I cant think of very many good reasons why he would do that in this situation. There are a few, but not sure any of them apply.
As far as being off the barrier and taking an extra swing, that isn't much of a case to me.
I am on the fence for sure. It does look suspicious though, but 4 runs in a big event like the American, can go just like it did, without any conspiracy too. It would not surprise me one bit, if it was at least discussed.
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| Tdove - 2015-08-20 3:23 PM
Well, this is very interesting, of course. So is all the controversy around just Tuf? Doesn't it take all of them to play the game? It would be hard to pull off, no doubt. However, it seems like a scheme someone might be involved in. How do you prove it? I see no way to. Even if I planned on it, how does someone say that I followed through.
As far as Tuf is concerned, the only thing that looks suspicious to me is the tie. He could have taken one wrap yes and that is certainly what many would have done. But simply not doing one wrap isn't proof in itself. In the video it looked like he two handed the tie, although incredibly fast. I cant think of very many good reasons why he would do that in this situation. There are a few, but not sure any of them apply.
As far as being off the barrier and taking an extra swing, that isn't much of a case to me.
I am on the fence for sure. It does look suspicious though, but 4 runs in a big event like the American, can go just like it did, without any conspiracy too. It would not surprise me one bit, if it was at least discussed.
What you say makes a lot of sense, but after watching him and all the other ropers at the NFR and at other big rodeos, what he did was totally out of character. It also confounded his dad, too. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. |
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And after they went and "corrected" the steer wrestling and gave KC a third, it would have only been 333k to the calf ropers, split between the 3 of them would only be 111k. Of course they didn't know that until after the calf roping... and I guess it did guarantee them all a share, rather than just one. All this trouble for $11k difference? If they really did do it, I bet they are sure wishing they didn't.
Richmond Champion won the whole deal last year, 2014. Didn't have to split with anyone else (besides the IRS, haha). |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | SpaceCowboy - 2015-08-20 3:48 PM
mreklaw:
And after they went and "corrected" the steer wrestling and gave KC a third, it would have only been 333k to the calf ropers, split between the 3 of them would only be 111k. Of course they didn't know that until after the calf roping... and I guess it did guarantee them all a share, rather than just one. All this trouble for $11k difference? If they really did do it, I bet they are sure wishing they didn't.
Richmond Champion won the whole deal last year, 2014. Didn't have to split with anyone else (besides the IRS, haha).
But by the time they roped they would have already known that it was $500k so that doesn't seem like enuf to make them want to cheat. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | mreklaw - 2015-08-20 4:04 PM SpaceCowboy - 2015-08-20 3:48 PM mreklaw: And after they went and "corrected" the steer wrestling and gave KC a third, it would have only been 333k to the calf ropers, split between the 3 of them would only be 111k. Of course they didn't know that until after the calf roping... and I guess it did guarantee them all a share, rather than just one. All this trouble for $11k difference? If they really did do it, I bet they are sure wishing they didn't. Richmond Champion won the whole deal last year, 2014. Didn't have to split with anyone else (besides the IRS, haha). But by the time they roped they would have already known that it was $500k so that doesn't seem like enuf to make them want to cheat.
Like someone already mentioned....it insured that ALL four of them got a chance at a good chunk of change......... |
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| mreklaw - 2015-08-20 3:04 PM
SpaceCowboy - 2015-08-20 3:48 PM
mreklaw:
And after they went and "corrected" the steer wrestling and gave KC a third, it would have only been 333k to the calf ropers, split between the 3 of them would only be 111k. Of course they didn't know that until after the calf roping... and I guess it did guarantee them all a share, rather than just one. All this trouble for $11k difference? If they really did do it, I bet they are sure wishing they didn't.
Richmond Champion won the whole deal last year, 2014. Didn't have to split with anyone else (besides the IRS, haha).
But by the time they roped they would have already known that it was $500k so that doesn't seem like enuf to make them want to cheat.
You don't know that. They could have tried to seal the deal right after they learned the final 4 and before that last round even started. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | SKM - 2015-08-20 4:55 PM
mreklaw - 2015-08-20 3:04 PM
SpaceCowboy - 2015-08-20 3:48 PM
mreklaw:
And after they went and "corrected" the steer wrestling and gave KC a third, it would have only been 333k to the calf ropers, split between the 3 of them would only be 111k. Of course they didn't know that until after the calf roping... and I guess it did guarantee them all a share, rather than just one. All this trouble for $11k difference? If they really did do it, I bet they are sure wishing they didn't.
Richmond Champion won the whole deal last year, 2014. Didn't have to split with anyone else (besides the IRS, haha).
But by the time they roped they would have already known that it was $500k so that doesn't seem like enuf to make them want to cheat. You don't know that. They could have tried to seal the deal right after they learned the final 4 and before that last round even started.
This is true I'm just speculating like everyone else here is! I just like to hope for the best instead of the negative. I hate what it would say about our sport. I know there are bad apples in all sports. But I like the concept of innocent until proven guilty! Also, if Tuf is the rock star you say he is then I can't imagine his ego wanting to lose!
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Location: Peach State | What would they have done had the "non pro" missed?, broken a barrier or calf got up? They didn't know the draw going into it so they couldn't make a real plan. And it would be a big gamble for the non pro he could ensure 111k but had he won out right it would have been 1/2 million (at that time) so seems to be like he wouldn't want to give that up
It does seem suspicious for sure but too many moving parts for them to really think they could get away with cheating. Such a shame. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Longneck - 2015-08-20 10:37 AM I'm a complete novice about calf roping, so this is probably a dumb question... but would you really be able to slow yourself down for that little amount of time just to ensure you didn't win but also didn't make it blatantly obvious that you were slowing yourself down?
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Location: Broxton, Ga | This is like Braddy and the deflated balls lol
It's all about winning at any cost to some..... |
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| Just a guess here, they must believe something illegal possibly went down since none of the Calf Ropers have been paid as of yet!
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| Well I guess I don't remember last year and missed the controversy. Was it discussed here? I'm not sure I remember everything I did yesterday so I could have known about the controversy and already forgotten about it. LOL |
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