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Location: California | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-01 6:01 PM TheOldGrayMare - 2015-09-01 3:56 PM I love seeing all the DTF...top and bottom. People always say they aren't sound enough to go down the road and/or don't last after their futurity careers. 7 of them. Many don't hold up. Even the top trainers riding and winning on them say they don't last. That they give too much of themselves to last. I don't own one, wouldn't mind a daughter, but I have other lines I would prefer. But there is no denying they win. There are so dang many of them now a days, can't help but have some at the NFR now. Anyone know how many have been to the NFR before? I can only think of Vicki S riding one and I was thinking someone else??
How many FG's have been to the NFR? For how prolific he is as a sire, I can't think of many of them either. Jordan Briggs had one and I think the mother/daughter team (can't think of her name) but her mom ran a FG during the summer and the daughter rode it at the NFR. Her mom had cancer I think for awhile. UGH I am getting too old to remember names.
Here are the FG's (own sons/daughters) that have gone:
Ima Super Fly Guy (Pozzi)
Guys Six Pack To Go (Laughlin)
Frenchmans Twister (Lautaret)
Frenchmans Jester (Peterson)
Ima Guy Of Honor (Sears)
NF French Tigger (Blanchard)
French Dream (Blanchard)
FG Grand-Get:
French Covergirl (Pozzi)
Honor Thy Frenchman (Jacobs)
Out of daughters of FG:
Dash Ta Vanila (Steffes)
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| Junior - 2015-09-01 7:16 PM Dash for cash is still on seven of those horses papers! Grand sire or great grand sire ! Still influential! Just sayin
I was just thinking that behind Dash for Cash is that it goes to Rocket Wrangler on 12 out of the 16 listed. I am a bit of a sucker for Rocket Wrangler - even though it's generations back on a pedigree now. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses.
Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Calibarrelrcr - 2015-09-02 2:32 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-01 6:01 PM TheOldGrayMare - 2015-09-01 3:56 PM I love seeing all the DTF...top and bottom. People always say they aren't sound enough to go down the road and/or don't last after their futurity careers. 7 of them. Many don't hold up. Even the top trainers riding and winning on them say they don't last. That they give too much of themselves to last. I don't own one, wouldn't mind a daughter, but I have other lines I would prefer. But there is no denying they win. There are so dang many of them now a days, can't help but have some at the NFR now. Anyone know how many have been to the NFR before? I can only think of Vicki S riding one and I was thinking someone else??
How many FG's have been to the NFR? For how prolific he is as a sire, I can't think of many of them either. Jordan Briggs had one and I think the mother/daughter team (can't think of her name) but her mom ran a FG during the summer and the daughter rode it at the NFR. Her mom had cancer I think for awhile. UGH I am getting too old to remember names.
Ima Super Fly Guy (Pozzi )
Guys Six Pack To Go (Laughlin )
Frenchmans Twister (Lautaret )
Frenchmans Jester (Peterson )
Ima Guy Of Honor (Sears )
NF French Tigger (Blanchard )
French Dream (Blanchard)
FG Grand-Get:
French Covergirl (Pozzi )
Honor Thy Frenchman (Jacobs )
Out of daughters of FG:
Dash Ta Vanila (Steffes )
Wow, I remember some of those now. Thank you |
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Location: MD | In recent years, I can think of quite a few DTF's who have been at the NFR:
Brenda Mays- Judge My Fame
Sue Smith-Real Claim Ta Fame
Kassidy Dennison- Sierra Hall of Fame
Benette Little- JL Dash Ta Heaven
Angie Meadors- Fantasia Fame
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Love seeing First Down Laveaux. I really liked him when he stood here in LA. We bought a really nice daughter by him years back. I remember going to see him and would swear he had muscle all the way down to his hoofs. I am always secretly looking for another :) |
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Location: Montana | Thanks for posting! I love seeing those pedigrees! |
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Location: The edge of no where | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-02 10:39 PM stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses. Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes.
I'm a HUGE First Down Dash fan....granted there have been more Dash Ta Fame's in the barrel pen than any of his other sons....but he sired a lot of exceptional horses. |
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| MS2011 - 2015-09-03 8:19 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-02 10:39 PM stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses. Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes.
Right, I am just saying that if you overlap their pedigrees, a lot of the same lines are found but I never hear the comments about them not holding up. So just wondering what makes DTF "fall apart" and FDD not? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2015-09-03 8:51 AM MS2011 - 2015-09-03 8:19 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-02 10:39 PM stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses. Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes. Right, I am just saying that if you overlap their pedigrees, a lot of the same lines are found but I never hear the comments about them not holding up. So just wondering what makes DTF "fall apart" and FDD not?
I would guess something about his dam's line. I don't know. Maybe it is how they are built in their joints and bones. How they use themselves, no self preservation? I have ridden horses that will limp and quit when they step on a stone wrong. And others that keep trying their heart out for you just months after breaking their pelvis (unbeknownst to me). |
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Location: The edge of no where | stayceem - 2015-09-03 9:51 AM MS2011 - 2015-09-03 8:19 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-02 10:39 PM stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses. Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes. Right, I am just saying that if you overlap their pedigrees, a lot of the same lines are found but I never hear the comments about them not holding up. So just wondering what makes DTF "fall apart" and FDD not?
IDK that the DTF really fall apart any sooner/differently. There are more of them, so we hear about them more. |
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| MS2011 - 2015-09-03 10:33 AM
stayceem - 2015-09-03 9:51 AM MS2011 - 2015-09-03 8:19 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-02 10:39 PM stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses. Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes. Right, I am just saying that if you overlap their pedigrees, a lot of the same lines are found but I never hear the comments about them not holding up. So just wondering what makes DTF "fall apart" and FDD not?
And for the record, I have no experience with them falling apart sooner. I was just pondering the idea... maybe DTF goes back to more TB lines? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2015-09-03 11:49 AM MS2011 - 2015-09-03 10:33 AM stayceem - 2015-09-03 9:51 AM MS2011 - 2015-09-03 8:19 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-02 10:39 PM stayceem - 2015-09-02 2:21 PM I see a lot of First Down Dash on the papers too which is funny to me because Dash to Fame and FDD seem to have very similar bloodlines but I dont here the flack about them not holding up. What do you think the difference is? maybe a different topic but just interesting. Thanks for posting! Love seeing these horses. Dash Ta Fame is by First Down Dash. He has about a billion sons out there. 99.9% make good barrel sires. He is in a league of his own as far as a sire, broodmare sire and sire of sires goes. Right, I am just saying that if you overlap their pedigrees, a lot of the same lines are found but I never hear the comments about them not holding up. So just wondering what makes DTF "fall apart" and FDD not? And for the record, I have no experience with them falling apart sooner. I was just pondering the idea... maybe DTF goes back to more TB lines?
I have never had one so I don't know either. But I have read interviews with some of the nations top trainers and it has been mentioned several times. Chips etc. There are a lot of FWF out there too and I just can't think of a single time I have heard of any soundness issues. I wish I could get my hands on an own son or daughter. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Love to see Dr. Nick Bar with two horses entered. |
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Location: Texas | Im going to go out on a limb or two...
my first thought was- good horses get hurt, good horses use themselves to the point where they risk injury. Lots of dash ta fames are good horses therefore put themselves out there to get hurt.
My second thought was- most barrel horses get hurt at some point. I am willing to bet, with all the talk on these boards about remedies for this and that, and rehabbing techniques for this injury or the other, and most of those horses aren't dash ta fames.
My third thought was- all of my best barrel horses have had some form of injury, and I have yet to own a dash ta fame.
My fourth thought was- theres also plenty of horses who get hurt before they ever run or make anything of themselves.. i have also had that happen, and i still have yet to have a DTF. LOL
I think its the nature of our sport...there are common injuries of barrel horses.. most likely they occur when they are exerting all of their bodies. |
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| The DTF's are born broke and wanting to hunt a barrel. Hence why they are in such high demand as futurity horses. Futuritying is hard on them physically and mentally. Most are used up by the time they reach the age of 7. Most horses don't make rodeo horses until about the age of 10. I'd blame the futurity road and riders for the lack of DTF's in the rodeo pen before blaming DTF. I wouldn't wish the life of most futurity horses on a junker. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SKM - 2015-09-03 4:19 PM The DTF's are born broke and wanting to hunt a barrel. Hence why they are in such high demand as futurity horses. Futuritying is hard on them physically and mentally. Most are used up by the time they reach the age of 7. Most horses don't make rodeo horses until about the age of 10. I'd blame the futurity road and riders for the lack of DTF's in the rodeo pen before blaming DTF. I wouldn't wish the life of most futurity horses on a junker.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SKM - 2015-09-03 2:19 PM The DTF's are born broke and wanting to hunt a barrel. Hence why they are in such high demand as futurity horses. Futuritying is hard on them physically and mentally. Most are used up by the time they reach the age of 7. Most horses don't make rodeo horses until about the age of 10. I'd blame the futurity road and riders for the lack of DTF's in the rodeo pen before blaming DTF. I wouldn't wish the life of most futurity horses on a junker.
and that is the round about way I was getting to not seeing DTF at the NFR, but someone did list several that I had forgotten ran there. Many listed for both FG and DTF were back up horses though (I think). |
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Location: MD | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-03 3:51 PM
SKM - 2015-09-03 2:19 PM The DTF's are born broke and wanting to hunt a barrel. Hence why they are in such high demand as futurity horses. Futuritying is hard on them physically and mentally. Most are used up by the time they reach the age of 7. Most horses don't make rodeo horses until about the age of 10. I'd blame the futurity road and riders for the lack of DTF's in the rodeo pen before blaming DTF. I wouldn't wish the life of most futurity horses on a junker.
and that is the round about way I was getting to not seeing DTF at the NFR, but someone did list several that I had forgotten ran there. Many listed for both FG and DTF were back up horses though (I think).
Of the 5 DTF that I listed, Brenda Mays Dora horse was the only backup. Angie went with Fantasia Fame as her primary horse to run there, couldn't keep the barrels up on her and found that Mulberry thrived in the T&M |
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Location: North Dakota | I think putting some more On The Money Red into the breeding programs again would be a very smart thing to do! |
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