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Location: Missouri | First I just want to say, your 3rd video was by far your nicest run. Your horse finished the 2nd and set you up for a better 3rd. I also read everyones replies and while hearing those things can sound discouraging and harsh to you, because they are about you and your horse, I didn't read anything that sounded like it was meant to be hurtful, just helpful.
We all strive to be better and sometimes it's just down right hard to accept we are not doing our best.
Keep your chin up, keep trying. I agree with slowing down and getting better barrels. I agree with a few posters that stated you never really "sat" and asked your horse to turn.
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| You know what I learned a long time ago if you are a little sensitve to critisism? DONT ASK...just dont. The best thing you can do for yourself is watch a million videos of the best of the best and be honest with yourself about the differences. They will be painfullly obvious most of the time. You will see the timing that other girls seem to have that you dont. You will see the way the others use or dont use their hands...their feet. If you dont think that person would look that good without riding such and "automatic" horse then watch some futurity girls like Molly Montgomery or Jolene Montgomery, Latricia Duke, Kay Blandford, Dena Kirkpatrick, Jana Bean, Brittney Pozzi....and watch what they have to do to react to those colts, that are not so automatic, when they screw up. Are they sitting deeper in their saddle? Are they riding more aggresive? Not everyone learns by listening...obviously some of the comments/advice hurt your feelings...I am sure that wasn't the intention...but we are all a little sensitive about certain things...dont put yourself in the position to get your confidence hurt. Find a really good friend, one that wont necessarily tell you what you want to hear but that can give you an outside perspective that wont hurt your feelings....and watch a trillion videos. That way all you can do is be honest with yourself...There are a lot of times that I know I am not doing something right...because both of my horses are making the same mistakes....and I am not quick to post a video and find out from joe-blow and every one online what it is. I get online, I watch a milltion videos, I call a couple good friends that kick my ass on the daily and know what they are talking about and I do some tuning on myself. I am sorry you got your feelings hurt, you kinda inadvertently set yourself up....from now on do some research on your own and then ask someone who keeps outrunning you that you respect. Good luck and remember to have fun!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I just read the original post and I don't see anyone being harsh. As far as nit picking....all the little things end up costing you time. Very seldom have I ever heard someone that just won a barrel race not nit pik about something in their run as letter perfect runs are a rarity and not the norm. Nit piking makes you better and faster and helps eliminate bigger problems.
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Location: gone crazy! | I read the Original Thread & I also agree, there wasn't anything said that was harsh or nit picky.
Im going to say this as nice as possible b/c i truly mean it from the heart. The problem with American today is people who get their feelings hurt over nothing. Your offended over nothing. Pick yourself up by the boot straps & move on. IF someone had said something rude to you (& this applies in all life situations) WHO CARES?? sticks & stones may break your bones but WORDS CAN NEVER HURT YOU.
I've been around barrel horses for a long time.....you should ALWAYS ask for opinions but know they are just that opinions. Everyone does things differently & at the end of the day you never know when something will help you. I shaved off a 1/2 a second just by taking the advice of someone screaming at me the minute I left the arena.....she's a good friend & let me tell you....i go to her every time i have something i need (along with others) & let her whip me into shape. A lot has to do with your probably very young but learn now to Stop being so sensative, you will get a lot further in life & especially the Barrel horse industy because some aren't so forgiving...they will chew you up & spit you out in a heart beat gotta have tough skin. |
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Location: North Dakota | I did not see anyone being harsh either. You said "Any help or advice would be much appreciated! ". And you got help and advice.... but you clearly don't appreciate it.
I do see a horse that needs to be taken back a step and fix a few holes in the training.
Being nit-picky is the way you take yourself to the top. I love it when people are nit-picky about my videos. It gives me things to think about and work on.
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Location: MD | and it is because of this sort of behavior that so many people with true knowledge and an ability to convey such knowledge in a very straightforward, easy to follow way have given up and stopped being helpful.
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Location: Florida.. | WrapSnap - 2015-10-06 2:58 PM and it is because of this sort of behavior that so many people with true knowledge and an ability to convey such knowledge in a very straightforward, easy to follow way have given up and stopped being helpful.
Have to agree with you.. Many want to help critique and help .. but when they do it bites them in butt.. I know when I try to offer advice I type then retype then reword to not sound to harsh but to get a point across.. we all do things differantly.. thats why riders all go to differant clinics and take what works .. when you go to a lesson trainers tell you what your doing wrong.. come on here and your tol what possibly may be wrong.. but alot of the posters then post we are mean.. its ridicolous.
you take what you want and leave the rest... trainers or riders take time out to post free advice .. thank them .. |
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| No one was harsh or even nitpicky in your other thread. It's the details that really count. Those little errors we all tend to make cost precious time.
I've seen some pretty savage threads/posts in the past on here. Yours was not one of them. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | WrapSnap - 2015-10-06 1:58 PM and it is because of this sort of behavior that so many people with true knowledge and an ability to convey such knowledge in a very straightforward, easy to follow way have given up and stopped being helpful.
Isn’t that the truth! I don’t know very many “clinicians”, who charge large amounts to teach a person the basics of barrel racing, and will blow “sunshine & butterflies” up your butt! And to complain about good solid FREE advice makes most wonder why they even try to help anyone! |
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Location: Wherever They Send Me | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-06 10:48 AM
How is "go back to basics" saying you can't ride? That's the FIRST thing a trainer does to fix a problem. Take the horse back to kindergarten, get it fixed away from the pattern, then go to the barrels and add speed. 90% of the time, the dry work fixes the pattern problem. And we as riders all get into bad habits sometimes. Monkey see-monkey do...they're contagious. If you have a good foundation in horsemanship, problems are easy to fix once brought to our attention.
Heres a secret: most pros have someone they trust critique (Nitpick!) them regularly. Because no one is perfect, and a second set of eyes might catch something that was missed. Nitpicking separates winners from also rans.
Agreed!! I moved to a new facility (Alaska to Louisiana) and the barn owner is a dressage trainer. After she watched me ride, turns out Im sitting too far back in my saddle, horse isnt balanced and many more; all of which were impeding my horse's movement. Did I feel like I couldnt ride after that...HECK YES!!! What did I do about it...I went back to basics (I even did a lunge line lesson). I am happy to say my riding has improved, and my horse is more balanced and relaxed. Now we will go back to the pattern and apply what we have learned.
Im sorry you felt like people were picking on you, I dont think the implied tones were intended. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | Oh honey, if you are gonna play with the big kids, you better put on your big girl panties. No one is necessarily rude on here, but most will tell you like it is. No one was rude to you in your last thread. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I agree with pretty much everyone else. In future I would measure ANY advice by this yardstick:
1) Who gave you the advice? Do they seem reasonable and knowledgeable? If so, then give them the time of day. You may not always agree with them but you should consider what they have to say.
2) Always look at whether the advice is ACTION FOCUSED or PERSON FOCUSED. In this particular instance, every piece of advice was ACTION FOCUSED. Nobody was person focused. They did not attack you personally, call you an idiot, say your horse was a POS, anything like that. So long as the advice is focused on something you did (and thus can fix) and not who you are (something that just makes us feel crummy), then probably you weren't being 'attacked' but 'advised.' Attacks involve insults. Advice doesn't. Attacks tear a person down and are INTENDED TO. Advice builds a person up. Now you can personally choose to be sensitive and see an attack where there wasn't one if you like . . . but that's just you being sensitive. Advice is still advice and attacks are still attacks. Learn the difference and you'll know who to ignore and who to listen to.
3) Your horse, your time, your money. But don't complain if you are given advice, choose not to follow it, and don't improve. Accept responsibility for your choices AND for the advice you take or choose not to take.
4) And for heaven's sake, go in eyes wide open. You are on a discussion board. If you post a video and especially if you ask for advice, you are going to get it!!!! Some of it is crap and some of it is great. Nobody says you have to eat all the Jolly Ranchers. For heaven's sake, eat the green ones and share the red and blue ones with your friends.
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Location: MD | I have gone through your previous thread at least 3 times trying to figure out who was harsh and if it held any bearing.... I can't find a single point in there that wasn't anything but straight forward advice, and none of them were harsh. A lot of people on here have some great advice as long as you are willing to listen. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I love getting nit picked by these people. Peck away you old hens :) |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | amandacamarano - 2015-10-07 9:35 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-06 10:48 AM How is "go back to basics" saying you can't ride? That's the FIRST thing a trainer does to fix a problem. Take the horse back to kindergarten, get it fixed away from the pattern, then go to the barrels and add speed. 90% of the time, the dry work fixes the pattern problem. And we as riders all get into bad habits sometimes. Monkey see-monkey do...they're contagious. If you have a good foundation in horsemanship, problems are easy to fix once brought to our attention.
Heres a secret: most pros have someone they trust critique (Nitpick!) them regularly. Because no one is perfect, and a second set of eyes might catch something that was missed. Nitpicking separates winners from also rans. Agreed!! I moved to a new facility (Alaska to Louisiana ) and the barn owner is a dressage trainer. After she watched me ride, turns out Im sitting too far back in my saddle, horse isnt balanced and many more; all of which were impeding my horse's movement. Did I feel like I couldnt ride after that...HECK YES!!! What did I do about it...I went back to basics (I even did a lunge line lesson ). I am happy to say my riding has improved, and my horse is more balanced and relaxed. Now we will go back to the pattern and apply what we have learned. Im sorry you felt like people were picking on you, I dont think the implied tones were intended.
What a culture shock...Alaska to Louisiana!
Welcome to the lower 48!
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Location: California | I read and reread as well... While yes some post may make you feel like you can't ride, ask yourself WHY they make you feel like that! Those people can in the end help you the most. I for one can be told nicely a million times to push my mare past the barrel or to sit and forget it every time. You put me in a lesson with someone who is going to scream at me when I don't push or sit, I can guarantee I wont forget for a while! Lol
Life will not sugar coat things, I prefer people to not sugar coat things either. I want blunt and honest even if the truth hurts! |
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Location: Missouri | Sometimes the best advice is the blunt-est, nit pickiest, advice you can get. I grew up riding all disciplines and let me tell you this much, I got my butt chewed on a regular basis! My trainers were not mean, they were honest. The English and Cutting trainers were down right brutal! They would cuss, scream, yell, and pull me off that horse for not riding correctly.
We are in a world now were it seems no one wants to hurt each others feelings, so we sugar coat everything and no one ever learns. Do you think people in the army would listen half as good to someone blowing smoke up their rear? NOPE! Barrel racers are one of the few disciplines were we don't have trainers who haul to shows or fine tune our horses for us. We expect "free" advice and some wonder why they aren't on top. The reason the best trainers have the biggest following, they are honest and know how to push someone to their full potential. You came to everyone asking for honest advice, they gave you, FREE HONEST ADVICE, you want someone to hold your hand, go to a support group. |
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Location: North Dakota | I read the whole original thread. All the answers you got were well thought out and helpful. Nobody was being harsh or rude, just completely honest. When I was a kid I was intimidated by serious, straightforward trainers. I wanted to be told I was a talented magical pony rider. As I got a little older my outlook did a 180. My latest instructor is much harsher than any answer you got here. My sister is terrified of her. She doesn't give compliments you don't deserve, and if you do something wrong you do it until it's RIGHT. Nit pickingis good. Especially with riding, it is essential to pay attention to every little detail and learn how to fix it. Remember, almost all issues can be contributed to pain or rider error. Everyone on here was helping you identify what you could do better so you can fix it. If you don't like it then don't ask, but nobody has ever gotten better at anything by being told they were doing good enough already.
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Location: Canada | If you want warm and fuzzy ask your best friend. If you want HONEST, unbiased opinions and suggestions ask it here.
You asked for help but what you really wanted was an "atta girl" reply. There was a lot of excellent FREE advice about how to improve your riding and your skills. It doesn't matter if you've been riding one year or 60 years there is always something new to learn, a new way to try things, or a suggestion you've never heard of.
If you want to remain the same and continue doing what you're doing then carry on; however, if you want to help both you and your horse develop your potential then you need to leave your hurt feelings aside and re-read those posts and grab every little piece of advice given and help yourself out.
For the most part you can't read tone in an online forum so adjust how you read the posts and take it as positive instead of assuming everyone is out to get you.
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Location: Sanderson, TX | Do you want to improve, or do you want to have sunshine and butterflies blown up your skirt? I don't have time right now, but I will post a run later that we analyzed to death...it was a nice run, but there is almost always room for improvement or soundness issues to be noted.
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