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| lopnaround - 2015-10-16 10:54 AM
WiscoRacer - 2015-10-16 10:35 AM lopnaround - 2015-10-16 10:31 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-10-15 9:25 PM I have know horses that have went sound with time off, then lame when exercised, both I know of had infected navicular bursa sacs. These can get infected if the horse pulls a shoe and steps on it. If it is a navicular bursa sac, they will test positive on the frog with hoof testers, and I can't remember the specific xray to request. Also what X-rays have been done? And what type of machine? Not all xray machines are created equal, I had one X-rays machine and a vet miss a spiral fracture. Also caudal heel pain can cause frogs to react, generally will react in the heel area too, but not always. Caudal heel pain can be caused by improper shoeing, where the farrier is putting on too small of shoes causing contracted heels, I see so many horses with contracted heels it makes me want to cry. I had two ended up with contracted heels, this is why I quit shoeing Laminitis can be caused from sugar, concussion, excess water, and stress. Laminitis can occur if the hind gut is not functioning properly. With the stall rest, and improvement after putting on hay, this could be a possibility. What is his pedal pulse like when he is lame? Also what do the X-rays show? Have you xrayed the foot? Also how is the horse landing when he walks, heel first or toe first? These are just other additions to what everyone else has said I agree with this. Lyme's will show up on bloodwork since it's bacterial....did you have a CBC/CHEM run on him? EPM will not affect front end.... Blocking sound to the coffin can also sometimes cause the bursa to block too....so you do need to isolate one or the other. DDDFT injuries can also block sound to coffin joint blocks I believe I would get a bone scan on this horse....about 1200 bucks for full body but you will be able to see what is really bothering him Next step after than would be MRI if it's determined it may be soft tissue. How close are you to River Falls? Bob Racich is an excellent vet and a wizard at figuring out these types of lamenesses. I live in River Falls so either he or the U of M is next on the list to go to. He's been treated for Lyme twice so I don't think that's it. Had a complete work-up of his blood and all came back completely normal. Thank you, I think MRI or bone scan will be the next step.
Called Bob and got his last appt of the season on the 29th. Hoping we get some answers! |
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| id check suspensories as that seems to throw random symptoms/ random lameness. If not, I had a horse that started sucking didnt look EPM but when i treated it helped.. Might as well try, it sounds like youve spent quite a bit |
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| His five panel came back negative across the board - so I guess that's good. I'd rather not deal with any of those diseases! Still slightly off on the right front. Appt on Thursday at 11 with Bob Racich... Hoping to get some answers. |
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Location: Oklahoma | If you dont find anything check you feed where it comes from I changed mine and my lameness is finally going away! he would be lame off and on changed his feeding program and made sure that he doesnt get anything from where they process or mix cattle feed. After 7 days he is moving really good! Had bloodwork done and it came back good had vet look at him 2x and teeth checked nothing was making sense Good luck toxics effects all horses different. |
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Location: Mississippi | My advice is MRI if can afford it. I kept putting it off on my mare who had on and off lameness for a few years. I've seen at least 5 vets, injected, special shoeing, etc. Had I just invested in an MRI at first it would have saved me a ton in the long run. I wound up having to retire her after the MRI showed extensive issues. Best of luck to you! Definitely a frustrating situation! |
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| WiscoRacer - 2015-10-27 10:53 PM His five panel came back negative across the board - so I guess that's good. I'd rather not deal with any of those diseases! Still slightly off on the right front. Appt on Thursday at 11 with Bob Racich... Hoping to get some answers.
Good luck tomorrow!! I'll check back for updates!! |
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| Turnburnsis - 2015-10-28 7:27 AM
If you dont find anything check you feed where it comes from I changed mine and my lameness is finally going away! he would be lame off and on changed his feeding program and made sure that he doesnt get anything from where they process or mix cattle feed. After 7 days he is moving really good! Had bloodwork done and it came back good had vet look at him 2x and teeth checked nothing was making sense Good luck toxics effects all horses different.
This has been going on since April and he's switched hay four times and been on and off a couple different grains - we haven't been able to find a definite correlation though we have thought about it. Thank you for the suggestion! |
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| I dont know how far you are from Lousiana but had a friend that needed mri and got it for much cheaper than they are everywhere else.. maybe like 1700?... I know that just saying LA is vague I can ask her where and the cost if you come to that point. |
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| After some scheduling mishaps we finally got in to have our appt yesterday. Tested sore all over - we pulled his shoes off a couple weeks ago and I think that's what made him worse. Bob actually rectal palpated him and said he was off in his back - no propulsion from the hind end (but he's always been like that - really heavy on the forehand - so it makes me wonder... Not sure). Said to inject his SI joint and hocks. Waiting for the official write-up to see why he thinks that as he was in a hurry and I didn't catch everything he said. |
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Location: Kentucky | WiscoRacer - 2015-10-16 11:56 AM
LMS - 2015-10-16 10:51 AM
So the only reason I mention this is because of the occurance that he was lame after he had his teeth done is you need to have someone look at his back-does he get back sore easy?? I know nothing about kissing spine-but there is something that bugs me about him having his teeth done and then him being lame...spine, neck, even jaw issue?? Do you have to regularly chiro him??
Ya know kissing spine has been in the back of my mind since this started. If we do the bone scan we'll know then, I guess. I have him chiroed every 4-6 months depending on how much I've been riding. I have had issues in the past with back soreness but always thought it was due to saddle fit - changed saddles and he got quite a bit better. I'll look into it for sure.
I recently went through the nightmare of kissing spine. My mare was diagnosed in October with a simple back x-ray. It's cheap compared to the cost of everything else. Maybe it's something you could look into? I know sinking money into "maybes" is very tough. My mare hand a lameness issue about 9 months before she was diagnosed with KS. I took her to Rood & Riddle in Lexington, KY but I was just done with trial and error diagnosing. |
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Location: WI | WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 11:54 AM After some scheduling mishaps we finally got in to have our appt yesterday. Tested sore all over - we pulled his shoes off a couple weeks ago and I think that's what made him worse. Bob actually rectal palpated him and said he was off in his back - no propulsion from the hind end (but he's always been like that - really heavy on the forehand - so it makes me wonder... Not sure). Said to inject his SI joint and hocks. Waiting for the official write-up to see why he thinks that as he was in a hurry and I didn't catch everything he said.
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| linds - 2015-11-24 12:26 PM
WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 11:54 AM After some scheduling mishaps we finally got in to have our appt yesterday. Tested sore all over - we pulled his shoes off a couple weeks ago and I think that's what made him worse. Bob actually rectal palpated him and said he was off in his back - no propulsion from the hind end (but he's always been like that - really heavy on the forehand - so it makes me wonder... Not sure). Said to inject his SI joint and hocks. Waiting for the official write-up to see why he thinks that as he was in a hurry and I didn't catch everything he said.
Any updates?
Pretty much just said he's sore in his SI, I guess that's pretty common in barrel horses...? I'll have to look into it. The soreness in the SI is making him body sore on his front and hocks was pretty much is conclusion. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 2:47 PM linds - 2015-11-24 12:26 PM WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 11:54 AM After some scheduling mishaps we finally got in to have our appt yesterday. Tested sore all over - we pulled his shoes off a couple weeks ago and I think that's what made him worse. Bob actually rectal palpated him and said he was off in his back - no propulsion from the hind end (but he's always been like that - really heavy on the forehand - so it makes me wonder... Not sure). Said to inject his SI joint and hocks. Waiting for the official write-up to see why he thinks that as he was in a hurry and I didn't catch everything he said. Any updates? Pretty much just said he's sore in his SI, I guess that's pretty common in barrel horses...? I'll have to look into it. The soreness in the SI is making him body sore on his front and hocks was pretty much is conclusion.
When mine was having all the SI soreness (ended up being a badly healed broken pelvis), I was told from all sources that although you can inject and get the SI feeling better, you have to find what is causing it to be sore. Because it shouldn't be sore from barrels etc. Hocks, Stifles, bad feet etc can cause SI soreness. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-11-24 6:31 PM
WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 2:47 PM linds - 2015-11-24 12:26 PM WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 11:54 AM After some scheduling mishaps we finally got in to have our appt yesterday. Tested sore all over - we pulled his shoes off a couple weeks ago and I think that's what made him worse. Bob actually rectal palpated him and said he was off in his back - no propulsion from the hind end (but he's always been like that - really heavy on the forehand - so it makes me wonder... Not sure). Said to inject his SI joint and hocks. Waiting for the official write-up to see why he thinks that as he was in a hurry and I didn't catch everything he said. Any updates? Pretty much just said he's sore in his SI, I guess that's pretty common in barrel horses...? I'll have to look into it. The soreness in the SI is making him body sore on his front and hocks was pretty much is conclusion.
Exactly! That's what I was unclear on when talking to him - why is it sore? I'll wait for the official write up and our next appointment. We did have him shod by his farrier and he's moving much better already. I guess it's a step in the right direction! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 8:40 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-11-24 6:31 PM WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 2:47 PM linds - 2015-11-24 12:26 PM WiscoRacer - 2015-11-24 11:54 AM After some scheduling mishaps we finally got in to have our appt yesterday. Tested sore all over - we pulled his shoes off a couple weeks ago and I think that's what made him worse. Bob actually rectal palpated him and said he was off in his back - no propulsion from the hind end (but he's always been like that - really heavy on the forehand - so it makes me wonder... Not sure). Said to inject his SI joint and hocks. Waiting for the official write-up to see why he thinks that as he was in a hurry and I didn't catch everything he said. Any updates? Pretty much just said he's sore in his SI, I guess that's pretty common in barrel horses...? I'll have to look into it. The soreness in the SI is making him body sore on his front and hocks was pretty much is conclusion. Exactly! That's what I was unclear on when talking to him - why is it sore? I'll wait for the official write up and our next appointment. We did have him shod by his farrier and he's moving much better already. I guess it's a step in the right direction!
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Location: North Dakota | I'm guessing that most of the problem is due to poor shoeing always think we have a good farrier until a multitude of issues show up
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| My good mare was off a couple of years ago. My Vet said get digital x-ray of Whirl bone area. It showed "Fuzed" We injected both hocks and Whirl bones. This is very common, hard to find and can because of any type of fall. Fixed and never looked back.
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Location: MN | if it were me, I would go to Dr Brunk in NE, he can do a heat test to find out exactly where he is sore |
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| Please keep us updated! I am dealing with the same injury but we do not know what it is from or what she did. |
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Location: South MS | I have a horse that I was battling with on keeping sound. I will say Dr Greg Ford (Texas) has gotten him back right. It took some process of elimination as we just didnt jump in and go to doing 10 things at once.
Mine had pain in SI, back, etc. Plus Dr Ford doesnt cost an arm and a leg. |
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