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Location: lexington KY | 9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy.
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  A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Here's the deal kids. People today have this cheapskate deal where they love to take screenshots of the previews on the websites. THAT is stealing, regardless of whether you bought the physical photo or not. If you scan it when you get home or take a picture to post on facebook giving credit to the photographer, I really don't see how that's a huge huge deal. Maybe in the fine print of the copyright law, But the whole taking screenshots of the previews to get around making ANY purchase of ANY kind is stealing, period, end of story.
And cropping out of any watermark is also stealing. If you have to crop it out, you shouldn't be using that photo unless you have express consent to do so.
By riding in a public event, you are giving your permission to be photographed. The owner or producer invites the photographer, so if you have an issue with the photgrapher, you take it up with whoever invited them to come spend ALL day in the hot sun or all weekend in the corner of a dusty musty arena with thousands of dollars of equipment for a bunch of people to complain about spending $10-20 for a download and digital release.
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| Honestly there are some photographers that are really good about this! You buy a $40-$60 photo from them and they are good with you using it!
I think if they aren't I just won't use them for any of my events nor will I purchase photos from them! It does not cost them hardly anything to take photos (once their cameras are paid for), and charging us $60 for a copy seems a bit extreme to me and it is definitely not worth it for a photo but if I do buy it I better darn well be able to use it where I want.
This floors me that they can be this greedy! I'm sorry to any photographers on here this is simply JMO. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | LAC - 2015-10-27 2:45 PM
"POOR MAN'S COPYRIGHT
Copyright laws in the United States do not require that creative works to be registered in order to have copyright protection. Even though it is highly recommended to register all creative works, copyright laws grant protection to creative works upon their inception or creation. A Poor Man's Copyright is an alternative to registering a copyright and provides for a legal document establishing the creation of a created work as the sole property of the author or creator. "
http://copyright.laws.com/copyright-law
I know what a poor man's copyright for written material is. Upon completion you put it in a sealed envelope and mail it to yourself. The postmark serves as the copyright date.
But how does this work with photos? |
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Location: Midwest | Many photographers sell digital copies specifically for posting on social media. These are typically low res and cheaper than a printed copy. I never hang photos up, so these are all I buy and what I typically post. |
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| polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM 9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy.
I have been asked to purchase the digitals, even after providing proof of purchase, and that is ok. They arent very expensive. Going forward I may ask. My friends do it for me...I just thought it was ok...I didnt know that I was receiving special treatment LOL 
I am one of those people that thought that I bought the physical photo and so it was okay to have the watermark posted online...they are usually **** good pics if I buy them and I HONEST TO GOD thought that I was helping promote that photographer's good work haha...I had no idea that they didnt keep their records to know that I had purchased the physical photo and didnt mean to "snub" them in any way. Heck I am usually giving shoutouts to the photographers about how great the pic is...I'm "friends" with them on Facebook...I wasnt trying to HIDE from them. I was just IGNORANT....I didnt know....unless you work with Copyrighted material...you arent going to know.
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 Lived to tell about it and will never do it again
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| A photographer was driving down the hiway after a big snow storm and took a picture of the back of my Dad's barn. It is an awesome picture that looks like a greeting card. I purchased a copy to have as a keepsake. My Dad's point was that it was his barn and taken without his permission so I shouldn't have had to pay for it. After all the guy said it was his best selling one yet Dad receives nothing from it. Seems like the door should swing both ways. |
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| euchee - 2015-10-27 3:12 PM
A photographer was driving down the hiway after a big snow storm and took a picture of the back of my Dad's barn. It is an awesome picture that looks like a greeting card. I purchased a copy to have as a keepsake. My Dad's point was that it was his barn and taken without his permission so I shouldn't have had to pay for it. After all the guy said it was his best selling one yet Dad receives nothing from it. Seems like the door should swing both ways.Â
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Location: SE Louisiana | I don't understand. Do you not own the original? (the horse) Do they not have to pay you for making copies to sell??
As a general rule, permission should always be sought when shooting on private property. Therefore a property release is required for creative collections. And consent or a permit for Editorial collections.
Also as a general rule, places that charge an admission fee or require a ticket for entry usually require special permission for commercial photography. Consent should be sought. These locations are therefore problematic in all collections both Editorial and Creative. They should be completely avoided in Royalty-Free content, while some may be suitable for Rights-managed or Editorial with the proper consent. Some locations may be free to enter (like certain museums or historical properties), but imagery taken inside may still be problematic. Do your research prior to shooting. |
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This is totally silly (I am not serious) but I refirbish old tack from time to time...my horses and usually me...because I am so smoking hot...are the "models" and I think that people should pay ME to take my picture...because theyre putting my tack, and my horse that might one day be for sale, and my smokin hot bod on their page....to promote their photography....BECAUSE we can take a **** good pic haha ....but no...we dont have any actual rights to anything if we are in a public place from what I understand....so heres to buying digital copies :)
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Location: SE KS | polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM
9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy.Â
If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping! |
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Lived to tell about it and will never do it again
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| In Dad's case the picture was taken from the hiway so the photographer never entered his land. It's not that big of a deal but I did pay $160 for the picture. Dad told me to tell him to give me the pictures and he wouldn't sue him for his share of the profits but I didn't, I took the easy way and just paid for it. |
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| lhighquality - 2015-10-27 3:24 PM
polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM
9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy.Â
If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping!
I think a digital copy is actually a "link" that they send you so that you can save it and upload it....its not a physical thing |
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Location: Texas | This is why typically all I purchase anymore are digital copies. This is what I do- when I want to buy a picture I tell the photographer- what do I purchase from you that will allow me to post this pic on Facebook or on my personal website? That clears it up every time. PixelWorx is great with that...I haven't had a problem yet. There is a local guy that takes pics at races and I asked him up front, what he would allow me to do with pics and he said I could print, put online, whatever I wanted.. but some are not so lenient. |
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Leggs
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Location: lexington KY | MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 4:25 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-27 3:24 PM polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM 9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy. If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping! I think a digital copy is actually a "link" that they send you so that you can save it and upload it....its not a physical thing
Yes, a digital copy is one you upload online for your enjoyment, to post on Facebook and other social media sites. A hard copy is totally different (one you frame) the digital copy is normally what people steal from the photographer off their website. |
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Location: Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-10-27 2:40 PM
~BINGO~ - 2015-10-27 2:32 PM Murphy - 2015-10-27 12:29 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-27 3:28 PM Â If I buy a pic and post it on my FB or here or whatever, and someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. Â I can understand if you use it in an ad, but personal display is personal display. Exactly. I've paid up to $40 for a picture. I'll do with it what I please.
It is actually a LOT cheaper if you purchase the rights to the photo. Then instead of paying $5 for a 4x6, or MORE, you can have 20 4x6s printed through an online company for about $2 lol.
The photographer we used for our engagement photos gave us a USB with print release. I printed multiple copies of every single photo to give to family for like $10. Usually when you join a site like shutterfly or snapfish they give you a ton of free prints, you just pay shipping. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:23 PM
This is totally silly (I am not serious) but I refirbish old tack from time to time...my horses and usually me...because I am so smoking hot...are the "models" and I think that people should pay ME to take my picture...because theyre putting my tack, and my horse that might one day be for sale, and my smokin hot bod on their page....to promote their photography....BECAUSE we can take a **** good pic haha  ....but no...we dont have any actual rights to anything if we are in a public place from what I understand....so heres to buying digital copies :) Â
Did the photographer not have to pay to get in there? If so it's Not public. |
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| komet. - 2015-10-27 3:32 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:23 PM
This is totally silly (I am not serious) but I refirbish old tack from time to time...my horses and usually me...because I am so smoking hot...are the "models" and I think that people should pay ME to take my picture...because theyre putting my tack, and my horse that might one day be for sale, and my smokin hot bod on their page....to promote their photography....BECAUSE we can take a **** good pic haha ....but no...we dont have any actual rights to anything if we are in a public place from what I understand....so heres to buying digital copies :) Did the photographer not have to pay to get in there? If so it's Not public.
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| lhighquality - 2015-10-27 2:24 PM
polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM
9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy.Â
If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping!
Digital copies around here are anywhere from $50-$60 at the least! I would pay $3 all day long!! |
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| All I know is I'm sad that no one can see my cool pics on FB and I have to have this uglyish one now because I know that she is a Facebook business promoter..and tagged me...and I paid 50$ for the CD and she never sent it to me and I have asked her for it a trillion times and dont have it..or the money...from almost two years ago lol So I am going to use it whether she likes it or not :) She owes me |
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