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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
I agree, the trainer has been feeding these horses for a year, if owner was so worried about horses why did they not go and check up on horses, if the trainer has been feeding then he/she is owed. Its been a year, why now is the owner decideing they want their horses back after all this time. Why did they not go to this trainers place after a month of no contact?
Your saying they know where the horses are to send someone to go get them, why wont the owner go pick up the horses themselves?
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Location: mi | BeanCounter - 2015-11-03 12:13 PM I don't know that $7k sounds unreasonable for 2 horses for 12 months. That is a little less than $300 per month per horse. You mentioned their body condition was good weight wise and obviously someone would have had to either have trimmed or put shoes on their feet as well as a worming program. I understand the individual did not get the riding/training promised, but at this point I would pay the $7k get my horses and be happy they were at least in good condition. This is just my line of thinking.
This is what I was thinking too. $300 a month is a very reasonable boarding facility in my area. So if they are in good shape and no worse for wear that amount is not too outstanding for a years worth the board for 2 horses. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-03 11:20 AM NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
I agree, the trainer has been feeding these horses for a year, if owner was so worried about horses why did they not go and check up on horses, if the trainer has been feeding then he/she is owed. Its been a year, why now is the owner decideing they want their horses back after all this time. Why did they not go to this trainers place after a month of no contact?
Your saying they know where the horses are to send someone to go get them, why wont the owner go pick up the horses themselves?
The OP said the "trainer" was 10 hours away and the friend lived close by... Maybe it is easier for the friend to deal with all this mess rather than the owner? I'm not sure I would put a friend in that situation if I was the owner. Kind of mean in my opinion to put a friend in that situation... But again, that's just my opinion.
I do agree with the OP that many mistakes were made from both sides. However, the trainer can legally put a lien on the horses in order to get paid.
I know if a vehicle is left at a body/repair shop for a year or longer, the vehicle becomes property of the mechanic/owner and can be sold in order to cover loses. I'm curious if this is the case with livestock. Would be worth checking on.
It may have stated it, but was there a contract signed? If not, it will be interesting to see it play out in court. I would be printing out all the evidence of trying to contact the trainer as well.
Glad the horses were taken care of tho. Weird deal...  |
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Location: north dakota | The owner should make arrangements for her friend to pick up the horses. The friend should have a check/ money order for the training bill and give it to trainer at time of pickup. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-03 11:39 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-03 11:20 AM NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
I agree, the trainer has been feeding these horses for a year, if owner was so worried about horses why did they not go and check up on horses, if the trainer has been feeding then he/she is owed. Its been a year, why now is the owner decideing they want their horses back after all this time. Why did they not go to this trainers place after a month of no contact?
Your saying they know where the horses are to send someone to go get them, why wont the owner go pick up the horses themselves?
I do agree with the OP that many mistakes were made from both sides. However, the trainer can legally put a lien on the horses in order to get paid.
I know if a vehicle is left at a body/repair shop for a year or longer, the vehicle becomes property of the mechanic/owner and can be sold in order to cover loses. I'm curious if this is the case with livestock. Would be worth checking on.
It may have stated it, but was there a contract signed? If not, it will be interesting to see it play out in court. I would be printing out all the evidence of trying to contact the trainer as well.
Glad the horses were taken care of tho. Weird deal...
I know that the horses are 10 hours away I understand that, but I would think that the owner herself should be the one to pay the trainer and pick up her own horses,not to put a friend in a situation like this. But its been a year. Like another poster said send the money and get these horses payed off and if the friend has to pick up the horses at least the money part will be taken care of. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 9:23 AM
I can't give a lot of details.
Trainer takes horses (2), says they will send a bill in the mail each month to be paid on each horse. Months go by, owners call trainer, trainer doesn't return phone calls but maybe once to say your horses are doing great. More months go by. Same stuff but by this point the trainer has just stopped answering phone calls or text messages. Word of mouth gets around and the horses have supposedly been boarded somewhere else, never were hauled to any races, haven't been rode by said trainer but just a handful of times. During this time, the owners are calling a few times a week asking for info, a bill- something. Over the period of over a year the owners receive 2 bills in the mail (30 day bills for random months) and less than half dozen phone calls. The horses are at a relatively well known trainers place (or so they should have been/ should be). The horses are 10 hours away from the owners house. No contracts were signed on these horses. Vet work was performed and billed to the owners (on one of the random 30 day bills) without consent in the beginning of the training. The trainer has sent in a text message after weeks of trying to get a hold of them that owners owes $7,000+ in bills and the owner has been trying to settle with the trainer and the trainer has stopped contact yet again.
Now, the owners have asked a friend that is near the trainers to go and pick up the horses, or get handled what he/she can. Owner has given power of attorney to the friend along with paperwork on the horses and whatever transactions have occurred on paper. Owner cannot leave and go take care of it.
**Do not talk trash about Owner. It is obvious there are faults on both end here. **Disclaimer- I am NOT the owner or trainer...
What would you do now? Argue the bill or try to just pay it and pick up your animals? Just show up with a trailer one day?
So if you aren't the owner or trainer, why are you involved AND posting this? |
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| I agree with those stating she needs to pay and pickup the horses. Again, so much wrong with the owner's actions in this...
With that said, you may want to check into the civil laws. I believe there is some law about if someone doesnt pay for a horse for x amount of time, a boarding facility has the right to disperse them to cover their costs. |
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Location: CTX | caboy61 - 2015-11-03 12:06 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 9:23 AM I can't give a lot of details. Trainer takes horses (2), says they will send a bill in the mail each month to be paid on each horse. Months go by, owners call trainer, trainer doesn't return phone calls but maybe once to say your horses are doing great. More months go by. Same stuff but by this point the trainer has just stopped answering phone calls or text messages. Word of mouth gets around and the horses have supposedly been boarded somewhere else, never were hauled to any races, haven't been rode by said trainer but just a handful of times. During this time, the owners are calling a few times a week asking for info, a bill- something. Over the period of over a year the owners receive 2 bills in the mail (30 day bills for random months) and less than half dozen phone calls. The horses are at a relatively well known trainers place (or so they should have been/ should be). The horses are 10 hours away from the owners house. No contracts were signed on these horses. Vet work was performed and billed to the owners (on one of the random 30 day bills) without consent in the beginning of the training. The trainer has sent in a text message after weeks of trying to get a hold of them that owners owes $7,000+ in bills and the owner has been trying to settle with the trainer and the trainer has stopped contact yet again. Now, the owners have asked a friend that is near the trainers to go and pick up the horses, or get handled what he/she can. Owner has given power of attorney to the friend along with paperwork on the horses and whatever transactions have occurred on paper. Owner cannot leave and go take care of it. **Do not talk trash about Owner. It is obvious there are faults on both end here. **Disclaimer- I am NOT the owner or trainer... What would you do now? Argue the bill or try to just pay it and pick up your animals? Just show up with a trailer one day? So if you aren't the owner or trainer, why are you involved AND posting this?
I am guessing she is the friend asked to go pick them up. |
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Location: North Dakota | Personally, if I don't get updates from the trainer when I ask for them, I am coming to get my horse and bring them home.
And if the trainer didn't send me a bill for the first month like they said they would, again, horses are going to come home.
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Bad situation to get into, but ultimately, the owner should have taken action much sooner. At this point, owner should pay the bill, get their horses, and move on. $7,000 for a year of training on 2 horses isn't that bad. That only works out to $300 a month per horse.
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| BeanCounter - 2015-11-03 11:13 AM I don't know that $7k sounds unreasonable for 2 horses for 12 months. That is a little less than $300 per month per horse. You mentioned their body condition was good weight wise and obviously someone would have had to either have trimmed or put shoes on their feet as well as a worming program. I understand the individual did not get the riding/training promised, but at this point I would pay the $7k get my horses and be happy they were at least in good condition. This is just my line of thinking.
Ditto, pay the bill and get the horses. They chose to leave them there for a year- no excuses because of distance, lack of communication, etc. They could have picked up the horses a long time ago. They owe the trainer who is being very reasonable in what he/she is charging. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | stayceem - 2015-11-03 12:08 PM I agree with those stating she needs to pay and pickup the horses. Again, so much wrong with the owner's actions in this... With that said, you may want to check into the civil laws. I believe there is some law about if someone doesnt pay for a horse for x amount of time, a boarding facility has the right to disperse them to cover their costs.
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Location: South Central Florida | Was there an agreed upon price to begin with? Were the horses supposed to be entered in races? If so who was supposed to pay for that? What was the original agreement?
I understand there is a lot wrong on both sides, but if you post, your going to get some bashing. . .it is an opinion on the situation.
I can't imagine going a year with out seeing my horses, if I could not reach the trainer, would have made arrangements to pick up or have picked up the horses.
Agree, pay the bill, get the horses and move on.
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| NJJ - 2015-11-03 12:55 PM
stayceem - 2015-11-03 12:08 PM I agree with those stating she needs to pay and pickup the horses. Again, so much wrong with the owner's actions in this... With that said, you may want to check into the civil laws. I believe there is some law about if someone doesnt pay for a horse for x amount of time, a boarding facility has the right to disperse them to cover their costs.
Depends on the state.........
Right, I know MN has one but I am not sure what other states do or if all do. Certainly worth looking into as the horses may have been sold due to non-payment. |
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| I dropped my horse off at a trainer and did not hear from him in 10 days. Had left repeated voicemails, sent texts etc. Finally, got the guy on the phone and he said he could not do anything with the horse. I did not think the situation would improve so (after i dropped my cell phone in the toilet) I went and picked the horse up unannounced. This was after TEN DAYS. So not hearing from a trainer for a year and not doing anything about it sounds a little strange. There are two sides to every story. If I were a trainer and someone owed me $7000 I would not be letting them have their horses back. Race trainers sell horses all the time for nonpayment. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I guess I'm confused. Is the owner disputing the dollar amount (which sounded very reasoable to me)? Surely they don't expect full board and care for a year for nothing.
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Location: So. California | teehaha - 2015-11-03 12:16 PM I guess I'm confused. Is the owner disputing the dollar amount (which sounded very reasoable to me)? Surely they don't expect full board and care for a year for nothing.
^^^ This...
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | streakysox - 2015-11-03 1:50 PM I dropped my horse off at a trainer and did not hear from him in 10 days. Had left repeated voicemails, sent texts etc. Finally, got the guy on the phone and he said he could not do anything with the horse. I did not think the situation would improve so (after i dropped my cell phone in the toilet) I went and picked the horse up unannounced. This was after TEN DAYS. So not hearing from a trainer for a year and not doing anything about it sounds a little strange. There are two sides to every story. If I were a trainer and someone owed me $7000 I would not be letting them have their horses back. Race trainers sell horses all the time for nonpayment.
Acutally, they can not do that. They can hold the papers, but not the horse. They can have an agreement that horse is to be sold and the proceeds go to the trainer towards the bill, but they can't just out right sell the horse. |
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| I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long.
The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down?
It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been.... |
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Location: Florida.. | For one.... did Owner think trainer was feeding for free ,, trainer should have contacted owner and returned calls and shouldnt have moved horses But surely without a bill there was a agreement on amount per month and she should have mailed monthly ... there is holes in the story Im sorry but if friend goes to get horses they can be arrested for theft.. Owner might want friends to get horses because she knows she was in the wrong to for past debt..
sorry but she needs to pay and be done with it.. lesson learned.. get a contract and check on horses.. and pay monthly no matter what..
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Location: Florida.. | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 6:07 PM I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long. The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down? It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been....
so now she says trainer turned the money down? very confusing.. |
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