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| freddymac - 2015-11-09 3:34 PM
When you sign your membership form you waive the right to sue or hold accountable the PRCA not just from harm, the PRCA has grounds to fine and suspend.
ahhhh but hold the PRCA accountable for what exactly? THAT is a mighty big word when it comes to the court system ....
As I recall in the ERA release they are stating that the PRCA is unfairly monopolizing the market by restricting their own card holders from competing in another association (my paraphrase).
So by taking them to court, they are suing for the right to hold cards and compete in multiple associations, right? Or did I just mess all that up? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | svincent - 2015-11-09 3:30 PM IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-09 1:26 PM Whiteboy - 2015-11-09 3:22 PM On another note, I fundamentally disagree with any court telling any private organization what they can or can not do. That beings said, it really is too bad they can't work together. Would have been really great for everybody involved. PRCA works very closely with PBR... I'd like to know what the difference is with the ERA. I mean, If you think about it, ERA is showcasing some of the greatest talent PRCA has ever had.... You would think they would use it as publicity fo rthe PRCA. You know, like "Follow all the PRCA Rodeos to see who could possibly run in the next ERA Tour." Or something to that effect... I'm not good with words... But you would think it could benefit the PRCA in some way... Just my two cents...  Probably because the PBR wasn't a bunch of a-holes about it, didn't piggyback off PRCA events with no credit or thanks, and wasn't parading around with their hat brims in the air. Just a few guesses that come to mind... ETA: I'm not saying the ERA members ARE a-holes, I'm saying they kind of come off that way.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM
I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
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Location: Texas | The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding.
The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-09 3:26 PM Whiteboy - 2015-11-09 3:22 PM On another note, I fundamentally disagree with any court telling any private organization what they can or can not do. That beings said, it really is too bad they can't work together. Would have been really great for everybody involved. PRCA works very closely with PBR... I'd like to know what the difference is with the ERA. I mean, If you think about it, ERA is showcasing some of the greatest talent PRCA has ever had.... You would think they would use it as publicity fo rthe PRCA. You know, like "Follow all the PRCA Rodeos to see who could possibly run in the next ERA Tour." Or something to that effect... I'm not good with words... But you would think it could benefit the PRCA in some way... Just my two cents...
The PRCA is working so closely with the PBR that they created the Extreme Bull Riding Tour to compete with the PBR?? |
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1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? |
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| SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM
What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
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Location: PNW | SKM - 2015-11-09 5:38 PM
What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-09 11:16 AM Am I just PMSing or did that sound like a dig? " a TRUE national championship. "
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Location: The edge of no where | MarissaBerg - 2015-11-09 6:12 PM The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding. The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts. It has since, more broadly, been used to oppose the combination of entities that could potentially harm competition, such as monopolies or cartels.
I really don't see the PRCA winning this one. (and I hope they don't). This will not be the first lawsuit like this that they've brought on themselves.
I might be the only one, but I think the ERA is a neat concept. Really don't believe in throwing mud at what someone else is attempting to accomplish when it's not hurting you in the least. There are some really good people involved in this deal. It's always been a shame that rodeo doesn't pay better....you hope to break even all year and make it up in Vegas. Why does it have to be that way? Why is it wrong to wanting to travel less? It's not like most of the contestants haven't paid their dues and **** sure proven themselves to be among the best in the sport.
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Location: Texas | SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM
What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning.
They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again.
The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period.
I wish them luck.
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Location: Okemah,OK | grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM
SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM
What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning.
They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again.
The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period.
I wish them luck.
Totally curiosity here but how do any of the members make money if they're not in the top 10 that are on the tour? Is it that they plan on being at the big PRCA rodeos anyway so they'll just work to try to get back on the ERA tour to make extra money? Or is it purely a business venture in that they'll be making money off memberships, advertisement and attendance? So they don't really have to even Rodeo if they don't want, they'll just collect their checks as shareholders? Just seems that if you're trying to improve your Rodeo competition schedule, the small amount of athletes in the tour cancel that out for most???? |
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Location: In my own little world | MS2011 - 2015-11-09 8:45 PM MarissaBerg - 2015-11-09 6:12 PM The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding. The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts. It has since, more broadly, been used to oppose the combination of entities that could potentially harm competition, such as monopolies or cartels. I really don't see the PRCA winning this one. (and I hope they don't). This will not be the first lawsuit like this that they've brought on themselves.
I might be the only one, but I think the ERA is a neat concept. Really don't believe in throwing mud at what someone else is attempting to accomplish when it's not hurting you in the least. There are some really good people involved in this deal. It's always been a shame that rodeo doesn't pay better....you hope to break even all year and make it up in Vegas. Why does it have to be that way? Why is it wrong to wanting to travel less? It's not like most of the contestants haven't paid their dues and **** sure proven themselves to be among the best in the sport.
The travel less deal was what they all originally were talking about and promoting. Later into it people started asking them if they would go to prorodeos still and the answer was yes they intended to make the NFR as well. Talking out both sides comes to mind. Mind you not all of them *especially barrel racers" because some of them haven't traveled the pro rodeo road for a lot of years and the one isn't even old enough (but the WPRA isn't in question here, it is the PRCA). And many of them are the ones still wanting both now. So travel less was a beginning sales pitch that I never did buy and really don't buy now. And yes, "true" champion was a back at ya comment on the part of this press release. So apparently Trevor Brazile has never been a true champion...must have just been playing pretend. Oh my gosh is all I can say.
I was thinking this could have been a neat deal to start with too but the further they go, the worse I see it getting. If the PRCA uses their own words against them, they might come out smelling like a rose in this but only time will tell so all we can do is wait and see how the lawsuit goes and how the ticket sales are for the 1st season of the ERA.
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| MS2011 - 2015-11-09 8:45 PM
MarissaBerg - 2015-11-09 6:12 PM The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding. The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts. It has since, more broadly, been used to oppose the combination of entities that could potentially harm competition, such as monopolies or cartels.
I really don't see the PRCA winning this one. (and I hope they don't). This will not be the first lawsuit like this that they've brought on themselves.
I might be the only one, but I think the ERA is a neat concept. Really don't believe in throwing mud at what someone else is attempting to accomplish when it's not hurting you in the least. There are some really good people involved in this deal. It's always been a shame that rodeo doesn't pay better....you hope to break even all year and make it up in Vegas. Why does it have to be that way? Why is it wrong to wanting to travel less? It's not like most of the contestants haven't paid their dues and **** sure proven themselves to be among the best in the sport.
The ERA is piggybacking off the PRCA and using them to set the standard in order for people to compete at ERA events. So yes, they are in a way hurting the PRCA. A person can't go to Chevy, steal their latest body style and then market it as a Ford. While the PBR has been great for the bull riders, it hurt the PRCA. The quality of contestants at PRCA rode is has gone downhill since the start of the PBR. In the 80's, guys were covering all 10 head at the NFR. Now they are lucky to cover 5. Go to a regular PRCA rodeo and your lucky to have 2 qualified rides.
I have said from the beginning that the ERA could be a great thing if it is put together the right way and not thrown together haphazardly as a get rich quick for a few people. I also remember getting my rear end handed to me by some (not necessarily you) for voicing these concerns.
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I also do not understand why the ERA can't create their own qualifier events unless they can't get any venues or contractors to bite. Don't piggyback off the asssociation you dislike. The bylaws set by the PRCA only affect ERA stakeholders. The ERA stakeholders are the ones so adement the PRCA is treating the contestants poorly so why do they care if they aren't allowed to compete in the PRCA? $$$$ Maybe I'm reading it all wrong. Are stock contractors affected by the PRCA by laws regarding a competing association? I thought I read on the ERA Facebook page some of the contractors the ERA has approached would not accept because of the PRCA. Then become your own stock contractors elite boys & girls!
I know the ERA is wanting less travel for more money for the contestants. Well who doesn't want to do less work for more money in their jobs? Sign me up. Everyone wants that in the world. We just can't get it. LOL There are regular jobs out there for those wanting to stay close to home & not travel. Takers? Haha Think any ERA athletes will protest the PRCA by not participating in the WNFR? Some folks go on hunger strikes to protest and prove their point. This NFR will sure be interesting. I can't wait to hear go round winner and "world" champion interviews. I wonder if all those ERA athletes will keep their PRCA obligations throughout the NFR?
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Location: Florida | WPRA had a clause like this in the 80's and they eventually did away with it. Does anyone remember exactly why? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-11-10 6:44 AM
It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events.
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