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Location: Piedmont, OK | Glad I recently switched everything over recently to Renew Gold. I was feeding Nutrena ProForce. That is scary. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | My horses have been grain free for almost a year now. They couldn't be happier or healthier. I had fed Nutrena for years. Switched to Purina, then went back to Nutrena.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I'm so glad that I have a BlueBonnet dealer close to me once again, I love BlueBonnet feeds and been feeding it for over 20 years and never no problems,  |
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| We used to feed Nutrena and I liked it but it got way too expensive. You would think for the price that they charge they could make it in it's own bin. Our horses have been grain free for about 6 years now and look better then ever. |
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| We actually have a Cargill plant where I live. Cargill makes Nutrena. I went to the plant and visited with the people that work there. My plant makes both horse feed and medicated cattle feed. Here is what I learned:
1) They only use ionophores in bulk feed, not bagged feed.
A) Like this should make a horse owner feel safe?!? If you as a horse owner don't find a problem with this....maybe you shouldn't have horses. Just a suggestion.
2) They run something like 20 tons of chicken feed after the ionophore feed before they run horse feed. The chicken feed cleans the equipment.
A) Again...like this is suppose to make me feel safe? They had just told me they only run ionophores in bulk. So why are they now telling me they run chicken feed to clean out unless the same equipment is used?!?
3) They have a HCAPP plan in place.
A) If you ask to see that HCAPP plan, you get a deer in the headlight look and crickets start chirping. Apparently they HAVE one...but no one seems to have any idea what it actually says. Yep...I'm feeling really great about this company now!!
When I called the Nutrena 800 number, pretty much the same song and dance. From my own personal experience, I don't hold much faith in Nutrena to keep my horses safe. Draw your own conclusions from this. Just be aware, if your Nutrena label says STRL on it...you might want to keep my story in mind.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I fed Nutrena up until last winter when my hog of a horse suddenly got picky about eating his feed, then I noticed a new bag had a different look to the feed, then another bag had a large amount of mold in it.....I called Nutrena and gave them my batch numbers. I asked them lots of questions about ionophores in their mill in which they lied to me. I quit feeding Nutrena. I hate liars. |
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Location: Arkansas | jake16 - 2015-11-10 8:36 AM
Thank you again for being so informative to us!!!!! Your dedication to this subject really means alot to me and others!!!!
Jake you took the words right out of my mouth. She can never put too much info out there on this topic. . . . |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I tried Nutrena last winter when I decided to quit ADM after their contamination ordeal. Even switching slowly, one horse didn't want to eat it, another one ate it but started getting frequent mild tummy aches immediately after, the others seemed fine. I kept 2 on it and switched 3 to another program. After 3 months of that, I took everything off Nutrena because there was such an obvious difference in my horses. |
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Location: Midwest | SKM - 2015-11-10 7:28 PM We actually have a Cargill plant where I live. Cargill makes Nutrena. I went to the plant and visited with the people that work there. My plant makes both horse feed and medicated cattle feed. Here is what I learned: 1) They only use ionophores in bulk feed, not bagged feed. A) Like this should make a horse owner feel safe?!? If you as a horse owner don't find a problem with this....maybe you shouldn't have horses. Just a suggestion. 2) They run something like 20 tons of chicken feed after the ionophore feed before they run horse feed. The chicken feed cleans the equipment. A) Again...like this is suppose to make me feel safe? They had just told me they only run ionophores in bulk. So why are they now telling me they run chicken feed to clean out unless the same equipment is used?!? 3) They have a HCAPP plan in place. A) If you ask to see that HCAPP plan, you get a deer in the headlight look and crickets start chirping. Apparently they HAVE one...but no one seems to have any idea what it actually says. Yep...I'm feeling really great about this company now!! When I called the Nutrena 800 number, pretty much the same song and dance. From my own personal experience, I don't hold much faith in Nutrena to keep my horses safe. Draw your own conclusions from this. Just be aware, if your Nutrena label says STRL on it...you might want to keep my story in mind. Do you meean HACCP plan, or are you referring to something else
They should all know the HACCP plan, but if you asked specifically about an "HCAPP" plan they might have misunderstood, as I'm not sure what this would mean either. Though I'm venturing to guess they should have been able to put 2 and 2 together to realize what you were referring to.
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Location: Central Florida | I was feeding the Proforce Fuel and switched about two months ago. Both my horses suddenly completely stopped eating it. I took that as a sign |
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Location: North Dakota | Can someone inform me what the process is if the bags of feed ARE contaminated? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Runnincat - 2015-11-11 10:22 AM Can someone inform me what the process is if the bags of feed ARE contaminated?
Obviously take all of your horses off of that feed and increase their forage until you can find a suitable replacement source of nutrition.
First, do you have bags of feed that are still sealed?
If so, contact your states Dept of Agriculture and notify them that you have feed that you suspect is contaminated or send them your own feed test results showing them that it has tested positive. They will send an inspector to sample your unopened bags of feed and open an investigation at the mill.
Next, go to the FDA website: http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ReportaProblem/ucm388610.htm
There is a link to their Safety Reporting Portal where you'll enter all of your information so that they are notified of the issue.
Persistence is the key to getting things done. Many of these cases are settled privately without any sort of notification to the public. Unless it's an extreme case the FDA will not force a recall and many animals get sick and some die because the contamination is not public knowledge. The feed mill will just write a check to settle it quietly and go on about their business. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Until you know what is going on with suspected feed, don't let the feed company take all of your evidence. I do know someone that this happened to. Without her evidence, she didn't have a leg to stand on. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Exactly. It's best to do your own investigation. There are plenty of people along the way that will try to blow it off or convince you that it isn't a big deal. Gather your evidence and document everything. Take lots of pictures and keep all of your feed bags, tags, and receipts. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-11-11 1:10 PM Until you know what is going on with suspected feed, don't let the feed company take all of your evidence. I do know someone that this happened to. Without her evidence, she didn't have a leg to stand on.
Want to know something sad? Because I had 42 bags left - the feed company I purchased mine from came and got it. And then restocked it...................................... |
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| I switched from Nutrena to Bluebonnet about a month ago. Every bag of Perform I was getting had a different smell and color. I purchased from several different places, nothing was consistent. My retired mare started acting funny. Not herself. Ive owned her for 13 years. I KNOW this mare. Then another coliced and I said ENOUGH. Its not a coincidence. I immediately took them all off it. Finally found a BB dealer. Its an hour and a half drive one way to get feed but for my sanity and the health of my horses, its worth it. The mare that coliced hasnt done it since. The mare that was acting funny has went back to meeting me at her stall to eat. Less spooky, less cranky and acts like herself again. Coincidence? I honestly dont think so. Between BB and chaffHay my horses are looking and feeling great. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-11 7:01 AM
SKM - 2015-11-10 7:28 PM We actually have a Cargill plant where I live. Cargill makes Nutrena. I went to the plant and visited with the people that work there. My plant makes both horse feed and medicated cattle feed. Here is what I learned: 1) They only use ionophores in bulk feed, not bagged feed. A) Like this should make a horse owner feel safe?!? If you as a horse owner don't find a problem with this....maybe you shouldn't have horses. Just a suggestion. 2) They run something like 20 tons of chicken feed after the ionophore feed before they run horse feed. The chicken feed cleans the equipment. A) Again...like this is suppose to make me feel safe? They had just told me they only run ionophores in bulk. So why are they now telling me they run chicken feed to clean out unless the same equipment is used?!? 3) They have a HCAPP plan in place. A) If you ask to see that HCAPP plan, you get a deer in the headlight look and crickets start chirping. Apparently they HAVE one...but no one seems to have any idea what it actually says. Yep...I'm feeling really great about this company now!! When I called the Nutrena 800 number, pretty much the same song and dance. From my own personal experience, I don't hold much faith in Nutrena to keep my horses safe. Draw your own conclusions from this. Just be aware, if your Nutrena label says STRL on it...you might want to keep my story in mind. Do you meean HACCP plan, or are you referring to something else
They should all know the HACCP plan, but if you asked specifically about an "HCAPP" plan they might have misunderstood, as I'm not sure what this would mean either. Though I'm venturing to guess they should have been able to put 2 and 2 together to realize what you were referring to.
Sorry. Transposed letters and yes, they knew what it was since they were the ones bragging about having the program in place. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-11-11 12:17 PM Nevertooold - 2015-11-11 1:10 PM Until you know what is going on with suspected feed, don't let the feed company take all of your evidence. I do know someone that this happened to. Without her evidence, she didn't have a leg to stand on. Want to know something sad? Because I had 42 bags left - the feed company I purchased mine from came and got it. And then restocked it......................................
Seems to be common practice... No recall, they just do what they want. Anytime there's a positive test there's a possibility that there was a lot more in other areas of that load. Which means that a negative test isn't always accurate either, there will be areas of accumulation that are referred to as "hot spots" and some areas won't have any at all. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rachellyn80 - 2015-11-11 2:15 PM 3canstorun - 2015-11-11 12:17 PM Nevertooold - 2015-11-11 1:10 PM Until you know what is going on with suspected feed, don't let the feed company take all of your evidence. I do know someone that this happened to. Without her evidence, she didn't have a leg to stand on. Want to know something sad? Because I had 42 bags left - the feed company I purchased mine from came and got it. And then restocked it......................................
I am sure I did hit a "hot" spot with mine. They all had the same lot number. The farm in AL had the same lot number, they were not so lucky as I was. I wonder how many bags were produced with that same lot number? They would not tell me. |
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Location: West Texas | I think I had the same thing happen with a load of feed full of rocks. Took it to the warehouse and I think they rewrapped them and resold. I can't prove that, why I am not giving any more detail. Perhaps I am wrong. I don't think I was believed about it, or they didn't care.
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