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| FLITASTIC - 2015-12-04 9:19 AM
kathyward01 - 2015-12-04 4:50 AM
The only way to actually HEAL the ulcer is to use omeprazole
That used to be accepted fact, but there are some vets now that would disagree. Omeprazole is a band aid. If you don't fix the issue that caused them its a viscious cycle. There are non drug remedies that do HEAL ULCERS. THE has scientific proof as well as the makers of Curost products. All proven to HEAL with scopes to prove. Using omeprazole has a whole host of other possible side effects.
I have to disagree with omeprazole as a bandaid, it heals the ulcers, doesn't mask them, and there have been scientific studies that prove this.
Omeprazole was not designed, studied, or marketed for prolong use, the longest study I read was 30 days on omeprazole.
It is up to the horse owner after they are healed to prevent the ulcers from reoccurring, and there are many ways to do this.
The most popular science/veterinary approved protocol, is yes 24 hr forage, no stalling (stalling has been shown to cause ulcers even on foals), less starch, more fat, as Dr Schell states getting that hind gut working.
The most recent research is saying to give a buffer solution to performance or nervous animals 20-40 min before added stress, horses secrete more acid when stressed, using a buffer will then neutralize the acid and prevent the reoccurrence or development of ulcers.
I emailed Dr Schell about an acute joint injury (greater then 2 weeks less then 4) and I honestly wasn't impressed with his answer, which in turn steered me away from any of his products. I was looking for a product to reduce or eliminate inflammation to use in conjunction with veterinary medicine. He told me inflammation was good as it would keep the horse from using the limb. This goes against everything I have read and have been told, as if inflammation is in a joint too long it will cause arthritis/ringbone.
This got me thinking about his ulcer product, and I know he has scoped horses to prove his product worked, but he had also changed the diet on these horses. In the omeprazole studies, there are a small amount, 10% in some studies, that the ulcers disappear on their own. Could it be that the diet change alone was responsible for the elimination of ulcers in Dr Schells sample?
As it seems everyone who has switched to curost products also changes the horses diet. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-12-12 10:32 AM
As it seems everyone who has switched to curost products also changes the horses diet.
Well, not everyone. I changed the diet completely before getting CurOst Stomach into my digestive mess horse. He had GREATLY improved on the changed diet (straight Omnis cubes). He was eating about 18 lbs of Omnis on a free choice diet. I was super pleased with him, he had gained weight and smoothed out his attitude.
Added the Stomach, and the Adapt and within 3 days, he was eating 25 lbs of Omnis. Gained 30 lbs in just over 30 days on Cur-Ost. Then made a really stressful move 4 hours away and into a stall, and into training. The Cur-Ost has held him, he hasn't needed Ulcergard, which is HUGE for him. He was an everyday dose kind of guy. It's magic. He hasn't had any since October, the longest he's gone without it since he was two (he's coming five now.)
It makes something in there feel better, I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever. My mare (who's normally super cool about everything), went off her feed after our move, and was hiding in the corner of her stall. Got a tube of Ulcergard into her, she was back eating within 6 hours. Started the Stomach and Adapt at the same time, used another tube of Ulcergard broken into two days. On the fourth day, it was just the Stomach and Adapt. She's back to normal, eating me out of house and home, and waiting for me with her head over her door, ready to chat.
Cur-Ost to me is like, "Here. Take my money."
The jury is still out on the joint stuff here at my house. I'm using it, but my results for my personal anecdote one way or another aren't in yet.
I ordered the Human Adapt and have been using it. I actually relaxed enough for a nap the other day, which is really rare for me. Was it because of the Adapt? I dunno. I don't have a million dollars in the stuff, to make me really want it to work, but I just sort of feel different. Smoother maybe. I'm wound pretty tight just on average, and just rocked a company meeting and speaking in front of 75 people and my two boss (the boss and THE BOSS). I'm not short of confidence where my job is concerned, but I also know that I doubled the dose on the Adapt for three days before hand. Came through with only one fever blister. :)
Once you pick through all my silly anecdotes, my advice is simple, buy the Stomach and feed it to your horse.
Also, regarding Dr. Schells advice to CM; maybe in his world, it's better for the limb to be swollen so that it heals naturally, rather than injecting it, pulling the swelling and pain, and having the owner out jockeying the horse again? Injections don't heal the problem that caused the inflammation in the first place. Just a thought. | |
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| classicpotatochip - 2015-12-13 9:06 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-12-12 10:32 AM
As it seems everyone who has switched to curost products also changes the horses diet.
Well, not everyone. I changed the diet completely before getting CurOst Stomach into my digestive mess horse. He had GREATLY improved on the changed diet (straight Omnis cubes ). He was eating about 18 lbs of Omnis on a free choice diet. I was super pleased with him, he had gained weight and smoothed out his attitude.
Added the Stomach, and the Adapt and within 3 days, he was eating 25 lbs of Omnis. Gained 30 lbs in just over 30 days on Cur-Ost. Then made a really stressful move 4 hours away and into a stall, and into training. The Cur-Ost has held him, he hasn't needed Ulcergard, which is HUGE for him. He was an everyday dose kind of guy. It's magic. He hasn't had any since October, the longest he's gone without it since he was two (he's coming five now. )
It makes something in there feel better, I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever. My mare (who's normally super cool about everything ), went off her feed after our move, and was hiding in the corner of her stall. Got a tube of Ulcergard into her, she was back eating within 6 hours. Started the Stomach and Adapt at the same time, used another tube of Ulcergard broken into two days. On the fourth day, it was just the Stomach and Adapt. She's back to normal, eating me out of house and home, and waiting for me with her head over her door, ready to chat.
Cur-Ost to me is like, "Here. Take my money."
The jury is still out on the joint stuff here at my house. I'm using it, but my results for my personal anecdote one way or another aren't in yet.
I ordered the Human Adapt and have been using it. I actually relaxed enough for a nap the other day, which is really rare for me. Was it because of the Adapt? I dunno. I don't have a million dollars in the stuff, to make me really want it to work, but I just sort of feel different. Smoother maybe. I'm wound pretty tight just on average, and just rocked a company meeting and speaking in front of 75 people and my two boss (the boss and THE BOSS ). I'm not short of confidence where my job is concerned, but I also know that I doubled the dose on the Adapt for three days before hand. Came through with only one fever blister. : )
Once you pick through all my silly anecdotes, my advice is simple, buy the Stomach and feed it to your horse.
Also, regarding Dr. Schells advice to CM; maybe in his world, it's better for the limb to be swollen so that it heals naturally, rather than injecting it, pulling the swelling and pain, and having the owner out jockeying the horse again? Injections don't heal the problem that caused the inflammation in the first place. Just a thought.
Just to comment on your last comment.
I specifically detailed to Dr Schell the injury sustained, what the X-rays showed, the prognosis, which isn't good IMO, the plan of action for the horse short and long term, and what I was looking for.
With this injury any inflammation is detrimental, and career ending before it even starts.
The horse is on strict stall rest at the vets till the vet tells me I can pick him up, we are now at the month mark. No inflammation, healing is progressing, but his long term prognosis is still unknown.
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