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Location: The Great Northwest | SKM - 2015-12-05 4:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I too saw that the first was sliced and she was wanting to turn too soon on the second! | |
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Location: Louisiana | I was kinda surprised to see Jackie G get by all three barrels, but then again I'm not. There are 10 rounds and a huge average so I'm thinking she kinda made sure to get that first run down and get the feel of the pen. And she still clocked at that! I look for her to win some $$$ this week!
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Location: MD | SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM
I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! | |
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SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM
I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her!
Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . . | |
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Location: MD | *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM
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I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her!
Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
Huh?? I actually love Fallon and BabyFlo and in NOOOO way said that she is unruly. I certainly didn't bash on the mare. She is a fiery little redheaded mare. Actually, were she larger, or myself shorter, she would be my pick of the horses at the NFR this year that I would want to make a run ;) | |
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I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her!
Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
I didn't see Wrap say anywhere that she's an unruly horse... I agree she seems to have a bit of an attitude at times but not unruly. Stop trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Not everyone has to agree. | |
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Location: Texas | *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
I think you came into this thread ready to defend Fallon and Flo and are reading too much into it. To me it sounded like he was saying Flo was one of those horses that wants Fallon to sit there and enjoy the ride because she's "got this". When sometimes she needs help from Fallon but isn't happy about it. There are plenty of horses that just want their riders to stay out of their way. No where in there did he say Flo was a moody nag that will never win. | |
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I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her!
Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
Huh?? I actually love Fallon and BabyFlo and in NOOOO way said that she is unruly. I certainly didn't bash on the mare. She is a fiery little redheaded mare. Actually, were she larger, or myself shorter, she would be my pick of the horses at the NFR this year that I would want to make a run ; )
I know exactly what Andy was trying to say because I have ridden mares like that... where they are literally like "I got this, leave me alone." Mares are full of heart and try but they also have a lot of grit and almost arrogance about them. Theyre female after all... we all know what we're doing and often dont need help even when we really do lol...
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Location: MD | Cindy Hamilton - 2015-12-04 11:36 AM
Jeez you guys who are critical...give him a break!...I loved reading this because this year, I can't watch...thanks so much and your time and effort is appreciated...
Thanks for your kind words! I don't feel as though anyone is being critical. I actually feel as though SKM and I were seeing much the same things, just using different enough language that it can across differently. As for the other reply, we all have our favorites and defend them passionately. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Really enjoyed it. I read it a couple of times and went back and rewatched the runs. Very well done. Wow - I'm very impressed with Latte & Mary after further review. All in all, this was the toughest first round I can remember in many events. Team roping, steer wrestling, and calf roping were unbelievable. | |
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Location: California | WiscoRacer - 2015-12-04 9:02 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . . I didn't see Wrap say anywhere that she's an unruly horse... I agree she seems to have a bit of an attitude at times but not unruly. Stop trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Not everyone has to agree.
First of all, I can act on my perception of a situation just as much as anyone else can. Your statement means nothing and I still stand by having my own opinion. I know for a fact I'm not the only one that perceived it that way. Its nothing against Wrap personally but a counter look and opinion. If someone can critique these phenomenal riders and their outstanding partners well don't be surprised if your opinion does line up with everyone else's, and don't post opinions and critiques on a public forum if you don't want anyone to disagree.
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| SKM - 2015-12-04 5:12 AM
I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
When I read this, it's the same thing as was said above, just re-worded. You are both saying the same thing. | |
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Location: MD | *almost there* - 2015-12-04 12:16 PM
WiscoRacer - 2015-12-04 9:02 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . . I didn't see Wrap say anywhere that she's an unruly horse... I agree she seems to have a bit of an attitude at times but not unruly. Stop trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Not everyone has to agree.
As the admin says, professional athletes and "journalists" get discussed all the time in other sports.
I certainly take no offense to your opinion differing from mine. I just wanted to make sure that I got the point across that I don't dislike the mare, or her jockey. | |
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I wouldn't take the TV commentator job for nothing in the world. I'd be the one to say they screwed up on national television! Plus to be able to comment while it is happening and in such a short amount of time for each horse. You really couldn't say much and all the couch jockeys would analyze you....no way!
Love what you are doing though!
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Location: Buffalo, TX | WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 11:47 AM
Cindy Hamilton - 2015-12-04 11:36 AM
Jeez you guys who are critical...give him a break!...I loved reading this because this year, I can't watch...thanks so much and your time and effort is appreciated...
Thanks for your kind words! I don't feel as though anyone is being critical. I actually feel as though SKM and I were seeing much the same things, just using different enough language that it can across differently. As for the other reply, we all have our favorites and defend them passionately.
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