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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | P68 - 2015-12-07 1:22 PM
Run your pattern bareback. If you can do that without falling off I'd say you should be successful in breaking the habit then.
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This is what I was wondering. This is NOT what I made this post for. Personally I love Sarah and Bling always have since way back before everyone knew who Sarah and Bling was. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TessBelle - 2015-12-07 2:40 PM This is what I was wondering. This is NOT what I made this post for. Personally I love Sarah and Bling always have since way back before everyone knew who Sarah and Bling was.
I know this is not what you wanted..LOL
I dont want your post getting deleted so I had to put my 2 cents in here. Theres a reason why these girls are running at the NFR, cause they worked hard and can ride. | |
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One Grateful Mom
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Location: wolverton,mn | I border between being really disgusted and sad at these posts, or really angry and laugh.
how many of you have even rode a horse of this caliber?
How many of you run in the 1-d,top of the five in a tough rodeo?
How many of you have trained multiple horses?
Sarah has rode many other horses,she rides different on this mare than the others. This is a ratey,turny horse. Sarah rides other horses much more " correct" and " squared up" If you haven't rode a very hard to ride horse, find one,try it, then let us examine your video and we can see if you are correct. Speed is far different from a dressage course. The mechanics and feel should be there in the training but add a lot of speed a hard to ride horse and you all may change your tune
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One Grateful Mom
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Location: wolverton,mn | Really easy to take a 1-d horse and make it a 3- d or 4- d horse,trying to be " correct"
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Location: MD | hotbear03 - 2015-12-07 2:54 PM Really easy to take a 1-d horse and make it a 3- d or 4- d horse,trying to be " correct"
It takes a rider to take a 1-d horse and keep it a 1-d horse
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I don't feel I was BASHING anyone. Is it "bashing" to question things? It can be a discussion instead of turning into bashing the "bashers". (Pun intended.)
I do wonder: do the kicks have to be HARD? Would they be just as effective as a bump instead? One thing I notice on Sarah's winning run, as she comes into the first barrel from the alley, is she is NOT kicking her. Granted I know horses can handle/approach each barrel differently, but she had a beautiful first barrel without all the hard kicking going into the approach.
Is the LEANING necessary for some horses? I wonder if her leaning forward cues Bling to start turning, and thus she needs to keep kicking so hard? As far as during the turn, I guess I don't know any barrel trainer who advocates leaning your upper body inward, which she routinely does leaving the barrel turn. I've always been told to stay square. As far as leaning forward coming into the turn, I can't quite recall which barrel trainer it was that did a series in Barrel Horse News awhile back about a horse that had a tendency to fall or trip in the turn, and it was because the rider would lean foward and put all the weight on the front end. The horse couldn't get "freed up". The series was about teaching the rider to stay balanced in the saddle so the horse could keep it's front end free. The tripping stopped as a result. Would Bling be even faster in her turns, if the rider's weight was more centered? Do any of you ride your horse's like this?
Do the hands HAVE to be moving by measures of feet, up and down the neck? Can you still "push" and "drive" your horse with quieter hands that move less (inches), and still be effective? I know Lisa always talks about how much work it is to ride Louie, yet she still looks so quiet. And whenever I post a video to critique, my bad habit that is pointed out is flapping arms (which has gotten much better over the years as I've worked on it; only happens on rare occaisons now.) But it is okay to flap your arms because you are a NFR caliber horse/rider pair?
Honestly myself, I don't have too many questions about how Fallon rides. She does bump BabyFlo with her legs but they aren't hard kicks; not in comparison to Sarah's. Fallon's hands do get way up there on her neck, but she's also keeping her lower body still so it seems to be balanced (not to mention BabyFlo has a really short neck b/c she's a small horse.)
It's hard not seeing a quiet rider. Since I do venture into other avenues (reining, english, etc) I often find myself having to defend barrel racing when people see the professionals with arms and legs flapping, butt out of the seat, etc, and me trying to explain that that's not how we go about it and that's not how you effectively ride a barrel horse.
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Location: North Dakota | hotbear03 - 2015-12-07 2:49 PM I border between being really disgusted and sad at these posts, or really angry and laugh.
how many of you have even rode a horse of this caliber?
How many of you run in the 1-d,top of the five in a tough rodeo?
How many of you have trained multiple horses?
Sarah has rode many other horses,she rides different on this mare than the others. This is a ratey,turny horse. Sarah rides other horses much more " correct" and " squared up" If you haven't rode a very hard to ride horse, find one,try it, then let us examine your video and we can see if you are correct. Speed is far different from a dressage course. The mechanics and feel should be there in the training but add a lot of speed a hard to ride horse and you all may change your tune
Well a hypothetical question:
If I made a thread on here and asked for a video critique and my run looked like Sarah's ....... what would you say?
I totally get your point. I'm not Sarah and I'm not on her horse. My butt would probably have landed in the T&M dirt. Clearly they are a good pair and work well together. Doesn't mean I'm "bashing" when I ask questions.
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Location: North Dakota | hotbear03 - 2015-12-07 2:49 PM I border between being really disgusted and sad at these posts, or really angry and laugh.
how many of you have even rode a horse of this caliber?
How many of you run in the 1-d,top of the five in a tough rodeo?
How many of you have trained multiple horses?
Sarah has rode many other horses,she rides different on this mare than the others. This is a ratey,turny horse. Sarah rides other horses much more " correct" and " squared up" If you haven't rode a very hard to ride horse, find one,try it, then let us examine your video and we can see if you are correct. Speed is far different from a dressage course. The mechanics and feel should be there in the training but add a lot of speed a hard to ride horse and you all may change your tune
This...I know personnally, I should be kicking MORE- and so should most people who really THINK they are hustling their horse-they appear to be afraid to kick them at all. I have never been one to be able to jockey my horse with my hands-it seems to be the one thing that bothers ME the most.
What I notice from watching this years NFR is that quiet horses usually mean quiet riders, those horses that are a little crazier and more wild eyed-seem to have a comparable jockey. It definitely takes all kinds and to say that someone needs to go back to basics is OK however, I feel like I should go to the race track and learn the "fast" way to maneuver a horse.....
To the OP-If I were in your position and looking for a way to improve I would try to find a few different saddles to try-there are so many and they ride so differently and put you in a different position that you may find one that helps you stay balanced and won't even ALLOW your feet to come that far away from the horse-I think sometimes the ability to keep your skinny butt in the saddle is a hinderance-just like my fat arse doesn't want to come up out of the saddle :) is a hinderance too. | |
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| r_beau - 2015-12-07 3:37 PM
I don't feel I was BASHING anyone. Is it "bashing" to question things? It can be a discussion instead of turning into bashing the "bashers". (Pun intended.)
I do wonder: do the kicks have to be HARD? Would they be just as effective as a bump instead? One thing I notice on Sarah's winning run, as she comes into the first barrel from the alley, is she is NOT kicking her. Granted I know horses can handle/approach each barrel differently, but she had a beautiful first barrel without all the hard kicking going into the approach.
Is the LEANING necessary for some horses? I wonder if her leaning forward cues Bling to start turning, and thus she needs to keep kicking so hard? As far as during the turn, I guess I don't know any barrel trainer who advocates leaning your upper body inward, which she routinely does leaving the barrel turn. I've always been told to stay square. As far as leaning forward coming into the turn, I can't quite recall which barrel trainer it was that did a series in Barrel Horse News awhile back about a horse that had a tendency to fall or trip in the turn, and it was because the rider would lean foward and put all the weight on the front end. The horse couldn't get "freed up". The series was about teaching the rider to stay balanced in the saddle so the horse could keep it's front end free. The tripping stopped as a result. Would Bling be even faster in her turns, if the rider's weight was more centered? Do any of you ride your horse's like this?
Do the hands HAVE to be moving by measures of feet, up and down the neck? Can you still "push" and "drive" your horse with quieter hands that move less (inches), and still be effective? I know Lisa always talks about how much work it is to ride Louie, yet she still looks so quiet. And whenever I post a video to critique, my bad habit that is pointed out is flapping arms (which has gotten much better over the years as I've worked on it; only happens on rare occaisons now.) But it is okay to flap your arms because you are a NFR caliber horse/rider pair?
Honestly myself, I don't have too many questions about how Fallon rides. She does bump BabyFlo with her legs but they aren't hard kicks; not in comparison to Sarah's. Fallon's hands do get way up there on her neck, but she's also keeping her lower body still so it seems to be balanced (not to mention BabyFlo has a really short neck b/c she's a small horse.)
It's hard not seeing a quiet rider. Since I do venture into other avenues (reining, english, etc) I often find myself having to defend barrel racing when people see the professionals with arms and legs flapping, butt out of the seat, etc, and me trying to explain that that's not how we go about it and that's not how you effectively ride a barrel horse. Â
Not all horses can be ridden in the same way. Some horses need quiet, correct riders and some need energetic, enthusiastic riders. I am sure Sarah and Fallon know their horses well enough to know exactly how they need ridden and they're not going to jeopardize a chance at winning by going out and yeehawing the heck out of their horse if it's going to hurt their times. | |
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Location: wolverton,mn | I don't think anyone would argue Lisa's advice and riding technique. I rodeoed with her starting in 1988. She has always been a classy and excellent rider. A quiet and beautiful trainer and rider.
There are many ways to clock,and as long as you know your horse and it's working,the peanut gallery is just that. Unless of course the n.f.r. Gals are paying you for advice on how to ride their horses.
Sometimes the runs that clock are not the prettiest,sometimes they are
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Location: wolverton,mn | I sure hope one of the horses I'm riding now isn't a indication of what kind of " rider" or trainer I am,she's a mess.
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| r_beau - 2015-12-07 3:37 PM
I don't feel I was BASHING anyone. Is it "bashing" to question things? It can be a discussion instead of turning into bashing the "bashers". (Pun intended.)
I do wonder: do the kicks have to be HARD? Would they be just as effective as a bump instead? One thing I notice on Sarah's winning run, as she comes into the first barrel from the alley, is she is NOT kicking her. Granted I know horses can handle/approach each barrel differently, but she had a beautiful first barrel without all the hard kicking going into the approach.
Is the LEANING necessary for some horses? I wonder if her leaning forward cues Bling to start turning, and thus she needs to keep kicking so hard? As far as during the turn, I guess I don't know any barrel trainer who advocates leaning your upper body inward, which she routinely does leaving the barrel turn. I've always been told to stay square. As far as leaning forward coming into the turn, I can't quite recall which barrel trainer it was that did a series in Barrel Horse News awhile back about a horse that had a tendency to fall or trip in the turn, and it was because the rider would lean foward and put all the weight on the front end. The horse couldn't get "freed up". The series was about teaching the rider to stay balanced in the saddle so the horse could keep it's front end free. The tripping stopped as a result. Would Bling be even faster in her turns, if the rider's weight was more centered? Do any of you ride your horse's like this?
Do the hands HAVE to be moving by measures of feet, up and down the neck? Can you still "push" and "drive" your horse with quieter hands that move less (inches), and still be effective? I know Lisa always talks about how much work it is to ride Louie, yet she still looks so quiet. And whenever I post a video to critique, my bad habit that is pointed out is flapping arms (which has gotten much better over the years as I've worked on it; only happens on rare occaisons now.) But it is okay to flap your arms because you are a NFR caliber horse/rider pair?
Honestly myself, I don't have too many questions about how Fallon rides. She does bump BabyFlo with her legs but they aren't hard kicks; not in comparison to Sarah's. Fallon's hands do get way up there on her neck, but she's also keeping her lower body still so it seems to be balanced (not to mention BabyFlo has a really short neck b/c she's a small horse.)
It's hard not seeing a quiet rider. Since I do venture into other avenues (reining, english, etc) I often find myself having to defend barrel racing when people see the professionals with arms and legs flapping, butt out of the seat, etc, and me trying to explain that that's not how we go about it and that's not how you effectively ride a barrel horse. Â
Ed wright who has coached most of the NFR barrel champions throughout their career, and has also trained many top futurity and open horses with his wife.
He advocates for riding forward with hands above the centre of the neck, whole keeping your but deep within the saddle.
As my thoughts on Bling, do I think anyone else could get her to do what Sarah has, I doubt it. I have one horse that is similar, when I even start thinking about turning, mine is turning and it doesn't matter if the barrel is there or not.
I think Bling is a cool horse, Sarah is a phenomenal rider, they are a great team, if Sarah tried your suggestions, she would be knocking not winning. | |
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Location: wolverton,mn | Great point,Cheryl.
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | My comments.... many years ago when I was young and thin (think 5'8" and ~ 130 lbs.) I rode barrel horses a lot. I am not bragging, but I was a very good rider and also showed horses in horsemanship, equitation, reining, cutting, and was a very handy and successful roper -- and even hazed for quite a few fellas -- and won my share of saddles, buckles, trophies, etc. I was privileged to ride some really nice barrel horses -- some were big horses and some were small horses (from 16.2 hands to just over 14 h.) There were two small horses I rode that were hell to sit on through a turn. I was not by nature a wild kicker or arm waver -- due to all of my horsemanship, etc.... I general sit at a horse very well and had extremely strong legs. But those two were demons to ride. When they turned a barrel they dropped right out from under you and made their moves - each had this style but their own little quirks with it. I had photos of me on these horses "air borne". One of them I did not ride very long....she scared me. She was fast and a winner, but on my gosh, sitting on her through a turn was nearly impossible. Two other small horses I rode were totally dreams to ride. Photos of me on them show me sitting there as I should - with butt in saddle. Photos on the other two turning -- well, you had serious doubts I stayed on. I rode one big mare (right at 16 h) that was also somewhat tough to sit on due to her style, but she was not nearly as wild as the two small sorrels. I am positive I would be photographed in a very unflattering pose if I tried to ride BabyFlo around a barrel..... I admire each and every woman and her horses that are at the NFR -- they all are terrific horsewomen who have worked very hard to get there. The fact they get in and out of Thomas Mack ten times impresses the hell out of me.
I do hate to see a rider kicking the air out of their horses -- I was taught to be still and help my horses. Keep my butt in the saddle -- but as stated - there were a few horses that I was not capable of doing that. I got off them.
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Not bashing! We're all allowed an opinion and to ask questions It's great that she got there and it obviously works, it's just my opinion that it isn't the prettiest, and like r_beau said, I'm sure you'd all laugh me out of BHW if I tried to post a critique video that looked like how she rides. Just some food for thought! | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You know that Tessbelle started this thread wanting help on her kicking, but some had to bring up the girls at the NFL, if you could please stick to the question that she had, she would still like help.. Shes a pretty sweet girl and dont like what she is seeing here. All she wants is some help. ") | |
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