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Location: Kansas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-12-10 9:26 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. My boyfriend predicts this exactly. Something will happen and obama will declare Martial law and delay the election. At least between us and my family we really should be more prepared. We've talked about just moving to the Alaskan wilderness and escaping it all.
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Location: North Dakota | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-10 9:56 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-12-10 9:26 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. My boyfriend predicts this exactly. Something will happen and obama will declare Martial law and delay the election. At least between us and my family we really should be more prepared. We've talked about just moving to the Alaskan wilderness and escaping it all.
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| I honestly think, unless you can live TOTALLY "off the grid" you are hosed. The only folks I can see being able to survive very long are folks that live in the middle of nowhere, off the land. I've thought and thought about different scenarios and don't see a very positive outcome for many. Heck, the second we lose electricity, we lose water where we live and even with a generator, we'd eventually run out of gas. | |
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| I agree. Most anything you do is just a temporary remedy. So many people say they'll just hunt for food, but how long will that last when everyone is depending on that for ALL of their food? Our area would be over hunted quickly. And with no electricity, there will be no easy option to store the rest of what you kill for most.
We are setting up a water catchment system, they seem fairly easy to do. I have lots of seeds, but in the winter we are limited in what we can grow. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | We have a cave way in the middle of no-where. It has a natural spring coming out of the mountain. I also have a small stock pile of food, as well as one of those buckets full of emergency rations (they had a special on QVC a while back. Has a 20 year shelf live).
My SO makes a living hunting and tracking animals. He is very outdoorsy and handy for that. Without him I would be toast in the first 5 minutes. I'm actually planning to learn how to process a deer next week. | |
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Location: Florida | This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm. | |
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Location: Kansas | Vickie - 2015-12-11 10:07 AM This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm.
Trump is, in his inarticulate way, looking for a way to keep the American people safe from ISIS.
Obama is doing what he does best......nothing.
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Location: Kansas | Frodo - 2015-12-11 10:23 AM Vickie - 2015-12-11 10:07 AM This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm. Trump is, in his inarticulate way, looking for a way to keep the American people safe from ISIS.
Obama is doing what he does best......nothing.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2015-12-11 10:07 AM
This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm.Â
We shouldn't worry, especially with our current president. He's always been on the mark in his assessments and assurances. We need to follow the example of the progressive lemmings and just follow orders. He made promises about ObamaCare like "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." His ISIS assessments as a JV team inspires confidence in his judgement. His admonishing Assad about the "red line" in Syria shows just how resolute he can be.
Why should anyone worry? We need to be calm and not worry so much......Barry has the reins. | |
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| My "fears" far predate current events. Back before the "Wall" went down, I did not fear the Russians pushing the button nor of a Russian invasion. My fears were/are of China and the Middle East. China for it's sheer population and need for resources and the Middle East for it's LONG history of unrest and it's ability of producing fanatics with no regard of human life, including their own.
I have always strived for as much self reliance as possible but have come to the conclusion that to keep whatever resources one has will take firepower and the banding together of more than just one family to keep a 24/7 well armed guard and watch. As Louie L'amour once wrote "The veneer of civilization is thin..." and you will not only have to fear the enemy but your neighbor and even family as well, when it comes to sheer survival. A single person , living in the shadows, barely eeking out an existence will have a better chance of survival than any group. So I have pretty much decided to make common sense efforts to be self reliant, but if things get really bad, hope that I am under a direct hit, or at least go down fighting. In the meanwhile I will refuse to live my life in fear which is not the same as burying my head in the sand.
As for Obama preaching calm? It fits right in with the first stages of Jihad. And it does nothing to "soothe " an enemy. Not to mention this particular enemy does not want calm or peace, they want total, 100%, compliance and domination and is willing not only for you to die but will willingly sacrifice themselves to get it.
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Location: Arizona | Â Whether you are prepared/preparing for a temporary or long term scenario, well that's a personal choice. But I think it is foolish not to have at least basic supplies for yourself or your family that would help you in the event of a disaster in your area. I've lived many places throughout my life, and I will tell you there are dangers in every locale that could potentially "shut you off" from electricity, stores to resupply your home and family and support from medical care and law enforcement. I was born and lived the first 10 years of my life in southern California. During that time we had the Landers and Northridge quakes. The LA Riots. My elementary school actually required parents to provide a 3-day kit of food & water for their children on the back to school shopping list, it was kept in the classroom in the event an earthquake trapped us in the building. I've lived in Wyoming, Idaho, & currently Montana. Here, you have to contend with the freezing winters, possible flooding in river valleys, more earthquakes or even volcanic activity depending on the area. Lots of predators. I've lived in Oklahoma, there you had tornados. I spent 14 years in southern Arizona, there you had the blazing summers. Water is always a concern. We had a microburst hit near our house in AZ back in 2003 and knock out electricity for 3 days. In August. Worrying about how to water 10 head of horses when your neighborhood's well runs on electricity and there is no live water for many, many miles is exhausting. Luckily there was enough of a gravity trickle in the lines that we could keep some troughs filled. Anything can happen anywhere, at any time. Sometimes there is nobody to help you but yourself. To me, It's only common sense to at least be prepared to keep you and your family and animals cared for for several weeks, at the minimum.I just read the book One Second After by William R. Forstchen, I highly recommend it. It's a rather sobering look at how quickly society would break down without electricity (in the book, we're attacked with EMPs). I'm currently reading the sequel, One Year After. The books bring up a lot of concerns that you probably wouldn't think of right off the bat, and it's amazing to me just how fast vast portions of the population would die probably die off. In a week, 2 weeks, a month, 60-90 days. They estimate 80% would be gone in the first year. It's scary how dependent we are on a single service.
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Location: Florida | Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo. What more would you need?
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Location: Kansas | Obama is now working on curtailing the sale of guns by executive order. Guns shops are calling him "Salesman of the Year."
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Frodo - 2015-12-11 11:17 AM Obama is now working on curtailing the sale of guns by executive order. Guns shops are calling him "Salesman of the Year."
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2015-12-11 11:24 AM
Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo.  What more would you need?Â
More of everything you mentioned. Security, water, food, shelter, clothing, then medical supplies is the most logical way to prioritize requirements. Meds can be moved up or down the list depending upon the health of the people preparing....................But medical supplies include personal medications. Obviously, I have given this so thought as everyone should. | |
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Location: North Texas | Whinny19 - 2015-12-11 10:47 AM
 Whether you are prepared/preparing for a temporary or long term scenario, well that's a personal choice. But I think it is foolish not to have at least basic supplies for yourself or your family that would help you in the event of a disaster in your area. I've lived many places throughout my life, and I will tell you there are dangers in every locale that could potentially "shut you off" from electricity, stores to resupply your home and family and support from medical care and law enforcement. I was born and lived the first 10 years of my life in southern California. During that time we had the Landers and Northridge quakes. The LA Riots. My elementary school actually required parents to provide a 3-day kit of food & water for their children on the back to school shopping list, it was kept in the classroom in the event an earthquake trapped us in the building. I've lived in Wyoming, Idaho, & currently Montana. Here, you have to contend with the freezing winters, possible flooding in river valleys, more earthquakes or even volcanic activity depending on the area. Lots of predators. I've lived in Oklahoma, there you had tornados. I spent 14 years in southern Arizona, there you had the blazing summers. Water is always a concern. We had a microburst hit near our house in AZ back in 2003 and knock out electricity for 3 days. In August. Worrying about how to water 10 head of horses when your neighborhood's well runs on electricity and there is no live water for many, many miles is exhausting. Luckily there was enough of a gravity trickle in the lines that we could keep some troughs filled. Anything can happen anywhere, at any time. Sometimes there is nobody to help you but yourself. To me, It's only common sense to at least be prepared to keep you and your family and animals cared for for several weeks, at the minimum.I just read the book One Second After by William R. Forstchen, I highly recommend it. It's a rather sobering look at how quickly society would break down without electricity (in the book, we're attacked with EMPs). I'm currently reading the sequel, One Year After. The books bring up a lot of concerns that you probably wouldn't think of right off the bat, and it's amazing to me just how fast vast portions of the population would die probably die off. In a week, 2 weeks, a month, 60-90 days. They estimate 80% would be gone in the first year. It's scary how dependent we are on a single service.
I have read both books mentioned and there is a third one in the pipeline according to the Author. Sobering to read to say the least. Lights Out is another recommendation I would make to read. It is available on Amazon I believe. I have it in E Version from Barnes and Nobles on my Nook. | |
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Location: Arizona | The story especially hit home with me as my step son is a type 1 diabetic... we keep several months of his supplies in stock just in case, and he is a young adult (22), but the prospect of not being able to get insulin, or not having a way to store it properly, is still a terrifying one. I will check out Lights Out as well. The next one I have waiting in the wings is called California by Edan Lepucki, from the description on the back it's in a similar vein as the other books mentioned. | |
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Location: Arizona | foundation horse - 2015-12-12 4:52 PM
Vickie - 2015-12-11 11:24 AM
Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo.  What more would you need?Â
More of everything you mentioned. Security, water, food, shelter, clothing, then medical supplies is the most logical way to prioritize requirements. Meds can be moved up or down the list depending upon the health of the people preparing....................But medical supplies include personal medications. Obviously, I have given this so thought as everyone should.
You are probably more prepared than most Vickie, and that is just the kind of regional preparedness everyone should have at home. As far as what more, FH covered it pretty well. It all depends on individual goals and the means you have to meet them. For some people that might mean 3-6 months of supplies, for others a year, for others 5 years. Being as prepared as I can is something I work towards, but it doesn't consume my life. I think the key is not to worry about these things, concern is normal but if you are stuck in fear and anxiety it isn't going to help you anyway. You are never going to be completely prepared and have every base covered, so there is no point in stressing out about it. Just do what you can and have contingency plans in place. | |
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Location: Florida | Whinny19 - 2015-12-11 7:40 PM foundation horse - 2015-12-12 4:52 PM Vickie - 2015-12-11 11:24 AM Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo. What more would you need? More of everything you mentioned. Security, water, food, shelter, clothing, then medical supplies is the most logical way to prioritize requirements. Meds can be moved up or down the list depending upon the health of the people preparing....................But medical supplies include personal medications. Obviously, I have given this so thought as everyone should.
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