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Location: Alabama | ampratt - 2015-12-10 10:44 AM
I switched to 2 1/2 lbs of whole oats a day with a vit/min supplement called Mega Cell by MVP because I feed a grass hay. They also make a vit/min supplement called Mega (something) to be fed with alfalfa hay. They each compliment the type of hay you feed to balance out the cal/phos ratio. Other than some MSM and cool calories on my running horses, that's all I feed now. My vet and her tech just recently told me they have never seen my horses look better. They are bulked up, nice muscling, healthy coat and feet and have a pep in their step etc.
This is exactly what I do with the same results except I feed a small amount of alfala pellets with my oats. Love the mvp supplement! | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | total performance - 2015-12-10 11:16 AM bribri88 - 2015-12-10 10:13 AM Thank you Flitastic, that is what I am trying to achieve! I am tired of spending $20 a bag on processed grains for my horses to just look "OK". I end up adding alfalfa in winter anyways so thinking about going more natural... have not heard of this Curost, will have to look into it. Contact "Herbie" on here. She has her horses on it and they look awesome. She can tell you all about it.
I can help too! Herbie and I are in the same boat- Cur Ost has done wonders for us both! | |
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Location: North Dakota | I do!!! And I LOVE it. I was feeding all the oats, alfalfa, flax, etc. with a Progressive Nutrition balancer but I wasn't in love, especially after finding out it was bought out by Cargill. So I cut that out and upped everything. The feeding program I will list is split into 2 feedings and I can already see a difference in my horse from a month ago. I have a pic of him from last night. Hopefully it will work.
4.5lbs oats
6.5lbs alfalfa pellets
1lb Renew Gold
1 scoop flax supplement
4 (dry) handfuls soaked beet pulp
I also leave a redmond salt/mineral block out and he gets pretty much as much grass hay as he will eat.
I'm getting a whole new picture error than I've ever dealth with before...I'll try again later but he's well muscled and very shiny!
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| Alfalfa hay and oats with Essential K, Farrier Formula, cool calories (during heavy showing so she doesn't lose her filled out halter look I.E. fat in the right places), some prescription circulation supplements, and previcox. Makes her look good enough to win any performance halter class we take her in.
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| for a vitamin/min to add to Oats I like Barn Bag by Lifedata Labs. Its not cheap but not expensive. Its awesome stuff really. | |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | For my broodmares I feed Chaffehaye for alfalfa with Oats. I add Animal Element Detox and Mineral 201. | |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I got my OTTB in September and tried him on Total Equine but he lost even with fat added. Tried him next on Tribute low starch due to ulcers and he stayed on it a couple of weeks and then went off of his feed & Alf cubes.
I had another horse that had colon ulcers that would only eat straight grains, no molassas, no beet pulp. He was an appendix that wouldn't keep weight on just hay.
I decided to try this guy on that & his appetite has done very well. He's 17.1 and 1300 + pounds so he requires a lot of feed.
Twice a day he gets 6 quarts of whole oats, quart of rolled barley, cup of rice bran, cup of flax, cup of Super Sport (protein supplement), remission, Optizyme. I keep out loose mineral salt. He gets all the fescue mix hay he'll eat, and a small flake of about 5 pounds alfalfa in the evenings along with a scoop of Chaffhaye.
I had tried Cool Calories for fat, and soybean meal for protein but he wouldn't eat those so I had to find something else.
Top pic was last week. Bottom pic was when he first came.
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| Fairweather - 2015-12-10 11:09 AM
I got my OTTB in September and tried him on Total Equine but he lost even with fat added. Tried him next on Tribute low starch due to ulcers and he stayed on it a couple of weeks and then went off of his feed & Alf cubes.
I had another horse that had colon ulcers that would only eat straight grains, no molassas, no beet pulp. He was an appendix that wouldn't keep weight on just hay.
I decided to try this guy on that & his appetite has done very well. He's 17.1 and 1300 + pounds so he requires a lot of feed.
Twice a day he gets 6 quarts of whole oats, quart of rolled barley, cup of rice bran, cup of flax, cup of Super Sport (protein supplement), remission, Optizyme. I keep out loose mineral salt. He gets all the fescue mix hay he'll eat, and a small flake of about 5 pounds alfalfa in the evenings along with a scoop of Chaffhaye.
I had tried Cool Calories for fat, and soybean meal for protein but he wouldn't eat those so I had to find something else.
Top pic was last week. Bottom pic was when he first came.
Only issue here is that a horse can only digest ONE POUND of whole oats at a time in the foregut ( Stomach/SMall intestine). Anything not broken down by then is pushed to the hind gut where it can ferment and cause hind gut acidosis ( Hind gut ulcers). 6 quarts is all being pushed to the hind gut and this is counter productive. If he needs that many oats then I would suggest feeding him no more than 2 pounds at a time but several times a day. | |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-10 1:18 PM Fairweather - 2015-12-10 11:09 AM I got my OTTB in September and tried him on Total Equine but he lost even with fat added. Tried him next on Tribute low starch due to ulcers and he stayed on it a couple of weeks and then went off of his feed & Alf cubes.
I had another horse that had colon ulcers that would only eat straight grains, no molassas, no beet pulp. He was an appendix that wouldn't keep weight on just hay.
I decided to try this guy on that & his appetite has done very well. He's 17.1 and 1300 + pounds so he requires a lot of feed.
Twice a day he gets 6 quarts of whole oats, quart of rolled barley, cup of rice bran, cup of flax, cup of Super Sport (protein supplement), remission, Optizyme. I keep out loose mineral salt. He gets all the fescue mix hay he'll eat, and a small flake of about 5 pounds alfalfa in the evenings along with a scoop of Chaffhaye.
I had tried Cool Calories for fat, and soybean meal for protein but he wouldn't eat those so I had to find something else.
Top pic was last week. Bottom pic was when he first came. Only issue here is that a horse can only digest ONE POUND of whole oats at a time in the foregut ( Stomach/SMall intestine ). Anything not broken down by then is pushed to the hind gut where it can ferment and cause hind gut acidosis ( Hind gut ulcers ). 6 quarts is all being pushed to the hind gut and this is counter productive. If he needs that many oats then I would suggest feeding him no more than 2 pounds at a time but several times a day.
At 2 pounds per feeding he would have to get fed 6 times per day -- I would have to stay home, not work and do nothing but feed.
He already gets fed at 4am for his first feeding - in order to divide that up and get it all in, I would have to feed at 12am, 2 am, 4am, then evenings 6pm, 8pm, and 10pm. Impossible when you get up a little before 4am, don't get home until 6pm, and need to be in bed by 9pm.
I get up at 4am to feed so he has time to finish before he's turned out at 6:30. It takes him about an hour to eat, sometimes a little more. He's slow and methodical so I'm sure he's digesting at a different rate than a horse that eats the whole ration in 15 minutes. He's more grazing than just gulping it down. | |
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| Fairweather - 2015-12-10 11:41 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-12-10 1:18 PM Fairweather - 2015-12-10 11:09 AM I got my OTTB in September and tried him on Total Equine but he lost even with fat added. Tried him next on Tribute low starch due to ulcers and he stayed on it a couple of weeks and then went off of his feed & Alf cubes.
I had another horse that had colon ulcers that would only eat straight grains, no molassas, no beet pulp. He was an appendix that wouldn't keep weight on just hay.
I decided to try this guy on that & his appetite has done very well. He's 17.1 and 1300 + pounds so he requires a lot of feed.
Twice a day he gets 6 quarts of whole oats, quart of rolled barley, cup of rice bran, cup of flax, cup of Super Sport (protein supplement), remission, Optizyme. I keep out loose mineral salt. He gets all the fescue mix hay he'll eat, and a small flake of about 5 pounds alfalfa in the evenings along with a scoop of Chaffhaye.
I had tried Cool Calories for fat, and soybean meal for protein but he wouldn't eat those so I had to find something else.
Top pic was last week. Bottom pic was when he first came. Only issue here is that a horse can only digest ONE POUND of whole oats at a time in the foregut ( Stomach/SMall intestine ). Anything not broken down by then is pushed to the hind gut where it can ferment and cause hind gut acidosis ( Hind gut ulcers ). 6 quarts is all being pushed to the hind gut and this is counter productive. If he needs that many oats then I would suggest feeding him no more than 2 pounds at a time but several times a day.
At 2 pounds per feeding he would have to get fed 6 times per day -- I would have to stay home, not work and do nothing but feed. He already gets fed at 4am for his first feeding - in order to divide that up and get it all in, I would have to feed at 12am, 2 am, 4am, then evenings 6pm, 8pm, and 10pm. Impossible when you get up a little before 4am, don't get home until 6pm, and need to be in bed by 9pm. I get up at 4am to feed so he has time to finish before he's turned out at 6:30. It takes him about an hour to eat, sometimes a little more. He's slow and methodical so I'm sure he's digesting at a different rate than a horse that eats the whole ration in 15 minutes. He's more grazing than just gulping it down.
I hear you on that one! LOL I teach school and leave at dark and come home at dark.. lol I am very thankful for my neighbors who can do my mid day feeding for me. | |
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Location: Phoenix | This is a 6 month difference, and then a whole year difference. Horse came to me in "cold winter condition"--No body mass, no energy....he's been on alfalfa hay, Bermuda (just to munch on, keep busy), and 1/2 lb. Renew Gold for a year now and I add MSM. He's now bulky, coat is shiny and soft, even when I don't brush him for a week!
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Location: Georgia | Thank you all so so much!! This gives me a better idea of what I might try! | |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-12-10 10:09 AM
I feed an alfalfa grass mix that is proably 80% alfalfa, I feed twice a day. I also feed a 16oz sour cream container of Renew Gold in the morning only. My horses are borderline obese, but if I had time to add the exercise that they need they would look top notch.
This is what we feed .... I was feeding oats and decided it was too much feed.
So both my personal mares get Alfalfa with a bit of brome in it, 14 oz renew gold, free choice redmond salt/mineral, and they've been on THE's muscle mass for a couple months now ... they look amazing! I will add pictures later. My 4 yo filly is full of muscle and is so level headed - love it. | |
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Location: Louisiana | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-10 10:04 AM
I do! And I am seeing outstanding results!!! I used to feed a Orchard grass primary forage diet with some alfalfa added in, now I have switched to an 80% alfalfa forage diet with 20% orchard. I am a true CUROST user and use whole oats/Stabilized rice bran mix to give the curost. Holy smokes, my horses are buky, extremely defined muscles, their hind gut is working as it should. My allergy/Arthritis plagued horse is now only on curost and no longer needs ventipulman, previcox, aloe juice, etc. He just feels great and is clocking better than he ever has. :)
Flit, I know you commented on my post a while back about my arthritic horse. He is needing about $1200 worth of injections come spring. I'm trying to figure out how to help him last longer.
How long did it take for you to see results on your worst horse? I'm not currently riding mine while he's so sore. He has vacation til springish. But I'm willing to try something like CuOst if it means poking my horse fewer times!!
You don't inject your guy AT ALL?
Mine has some arthritis in his RF coffin and both hocks. RF knee has a chip and spur so that may always need work.
Thanks for you input!!
And to the OP, so I don't completely detail your post...
Mine are getting per day:
14-16 lbs alfalfa cubes
3 lbs whole oats
1 lb MaxEGlo
Split into two feedings :)
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Location: Where you need a paddle... Oregon! | I've fed oats and alfalfa for years. Right now my mare gets 2 1/2 pounds whole oats per day and free choice alfalfa. She's had a bunch of time off just due to me divorcing, moving, starting a new job, etc. I don't have pictures. | |
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| I've been feeding whole oats at night, alfalfa pellets in the morning. Best decision I've ever made, I use animal element detox as well. | |
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| dashnlotti - 2015-12-10 5:38 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-12-10 10:04 AM
I do! And I am seeing outstanding results!!! I used to feed a Orchard grass primary forage diet with some alfalfa added in, now I have switched to an 80% alfalfa forage diet with 20% orchard. I am a true CUROST user and use whole oats/Stabilized rice bran mix to give the curost. Holy smokes, my horses are buky, extremely defined muscles, their hind gut is working as it should. My allergy/Arthritis plagued horse is now only on curost and no longer needs ventipulman, previcox, aloe juice, etc. He just feels great and is clocking better than he ever has. :)
Flit, I know you commented on my post a while back about my arthritic horse. He is needing about $1200 worth of injections come spring. I'm trying to figure out how to help him last longer.
How long did it take for you to see results on your worst horse? I'm not currently riding mine while he's so sore. He has vacation til springish. But I'm willing to try something like CuOst if it means poking my horse fewer times!!
You don't inject your guy AT ALL?
Mine has some arthritis in his RF coffin and both hocks. RF knee has a chip and spur so that may always need work.
Thanks for you input!!
And to the OP, so I don't completely detail your post...
Mine are getting per day:
14-16 lbs alfalfa cubes
3 lbs whole oats
1 lb MaxEGlo
Split into two feedings : )
So far I'm liking the change!!
My horse that gets injections was last done in May. I didn't start curost until August. So far so good and don't need anymore. Hoping it stays that way! I saw results within 2 weeks of my horses feeling better but it took 60 days for my horse with issues to really come off EVERYTHING and run sound and clock on the curost. Hope that helps!!
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Location: Louisiana | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-12 12:46 PM dashnlotti - 2015-12-10 5:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-12-10 10:04 AM I do! And I am seeing outstanding results!!! I used to feed a Orchard grass primary forage diet with some alfalfa added in, now I have switched to an 80% alfalfa forage diet with 20% orchard. I am a true CUROST user and use whole oats/Stabilized rice bran mix to give the curost. Holy smokes, my horses are buky, extremely defined muscles, their hind gut is working as it should. My allergy/Arthritis plagued horse is now only on curost and no longer needs ventipulman, previcox, aloe juice, etc. He just feels great and is clocking better than he ever has. :) Flit, I know you commented on my post a while back about my arthritic horse. He is needing about $1200 worth of injections come spring. I'm trying to figure out how to help him last longer. How long did it take for you to see results on your worst horse? I'm not currently riding mine while he's so sore. He has vacation til springish. But I'm willing to try something like CuOst if it means poking my horse fewer times!! You don't inject your guy AT ALL? Mine has some arthritis in his RF coffin and both hocks. RF knee has a chip and spur so that may always need work. Thanks for you input!! And to the OP, so I don't completely detail your post... Mine are getting per day: 14-16 lbs alfalfa cubes 3 lbs whole oats 1 lb MaxEGlo Split into two feedings : ) So far I'm liking the change!! My horse that gets injections was last done in May. I didn't start curost until August. So far so good and don't need anymore. Hoping it stays that way! I saw results within 2 weeks of my horses feeling better but it took 60 days for my horse with issues to really come off EVERYTHING and run sound and clock on the curost. Hope that helps!!
Thank you! :)
I'm waiting to see what Dr. Schell suggests I do. I really don't want to have to give him daily Previcox, and inject everything every 4-6 months until I just can't anymore. That's just not ideal to me. If the CurOst can just extend my injections, or reduce what I have to inject, that saves me money and prolongs the health of my favorite boy.
I'm so glad I jumped on the all natural bandwagon. I don't see myself ever jumping off. I'm seeing great things in my horses. He has been so calm and sweet lately, just on the diet change. And considering he isn't getting ridden he doesn't have that bounce of the walls energy lol.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-12-10 11:24 AM Alfalfa hay and oats with Essential K, Farrier Formula, cool calories (during heavy showing so she doesn't lose her filled out halter look I.E. fat in the right places), some prescription circulation supplements, and previcox. Makes her look good enough to win any performance halter class we take her in.
what is her ROM in? Very pretty | |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Alfalfa pellets, oats and rice bran and THE MM... my horse has never looked better | |
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