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Location: California | ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:11 PM rebel racing - 2015-12-11 6:18 PM ASOF is Beautifull horse but at 4500 Id rather spend 1000 Less & Breed to Royal Quick Dash or 2500 or less to any of his Full Brothers!!! Separatist is only 300 more than ASOF & He has a really good record too... Color should be the Last choice in breeding horses!!! Id rather breed to Champions & Champion Producers that cost less money!!! I agree with the Right Trainers comment on Any Horse because a Bad trainer can Ruin a Good Horse & a Good trainer can make an OK Horse Better!!! Just My 2cents & Id Really like to have a few ASOF foals but Not at 4500!!! Well thats all fine and dandy and those are all nice horses in their own right BUT, none of them have produced the barrel earnings ASOF has. That is why he is priced where he is.
You can't help but be curious though as to why it's that price-- not that he's not worth his weight in gold but a lot of horses have similar records or even better that are priced lower. Its not in any way shape or form meant as slander on the big roan. | |
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| I have noticed this year there is a huge separation between FWOTR, ASOF, Judge Cash, Blazin Jetolena, and other elite stud fees versus proven barrel stallions, but not so much proven as a sire. All of the above are at least $4,000. It had me wondering if they aren't pricing themselves too high and leave room for people to take a chance on the up-and-comers. Maybe I'm aging myself, but wasn't it just 2 years ago the elites were $2,500.
I don't own a stallion and don't know all the ends-and-outs of pricing and marketing. I'm sure it also has to do with weeding out unproven mares. | |
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Location: Here | NFM - 2015-12-11 9:10 PM I have noticed this year there is a huge separation between FWOTR, ASOF, Judge Cash, Blazin Jetolena, and other elite stud fees versus proven barrel stallions, but not so much proven as a sire. All of the above are at least $4,000. It had me wondering if they aren't pricing themselves too high and leave room for people to take a chance on the up-and-comers. Maybe I'm aging myself, but wasn't it just 2 years ago the elites were $2,500. I don't own a stallion and don't know all the ends-and-outs of pricing and marketing. I'm sure it also has to do with weeding out unproven mares.
Elites havent been $2500 for a very long time | |
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Location: MD | ASOF's stud fee is being fueled by his offspring's sale prices. Those sale prices are being driven by their maternal sides. When mares like Pie Sky Promises and Go Royal Scarlet are on those pedigrees, they are going to sell high, just as we saw tonight. How many ASOF's have sold for huge money now as prospects? It would be kind of hard to argue with his stud fee, for sure. | |
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Location: California | WrapSnap - 2015-12-11 8:25 PM
ASOF's stud fee is being fueled by his offspring's sale prices. Those sale prices are being driven by their maternal sides. When mares like Pie Sky Promises and Go Royal Scarlet are on those pedigrees, they are going to sell high, just as we saw tonight. How many ASOF's have sold for huge money now as prospects? It would be kind of hard to argue with his stud fee, for sure.
Thank you very much for this great explanation. | |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-12-12 8:25 PM
ASOF's stud fee is being fueled by his offspring's sale prices. Those sale prices are being driven by their maternal sides. When mares like Pie Sky Promises and Go Royal Scarlet are on those pedigrees, they are going to sell high, just as we saw tonight. How many ASOF's have sold for huge money now as prospects? It would be kind of hard to argue with his stud fee, for sure.
You could breed those mares to anything and get a good price... A person off the street is not going to have a horse of that caliber so that's kind of a false market... im not sure I've seen any of his babies that are out of mares that don't have a big name do a lot.. I still wouldn't breed to him I'd buy one but that's me | |
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| ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system.
Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair.
I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol!
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I didn't breed for color, that never meant anything to me. However I am happy she is a blue roan and a looker. When she was bred, the fee wasn't bad as my friend won it in an auction so it worked out well. | |
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Location: California | SKM - 2015-12-12 3:46 AM ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system. Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair. I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol!
In no way was anyone asking about the fee rude or disrespectful towards ASOF or company, so your attitude is completely uncalled for! And maybe it's not a lot of money for YOU but maybe it IS a lot of money to someone. God forbid someone learn more about a horse and ask questions. The BHW police will be sure to get on ya for it | |
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Location: Midwest | SKM - 2015-12-12 5:46 AM ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system. Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair. I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol!
Is the stark difference in stud fees between race and barrel studs due to the earning potential of the offspring in the different disciplines? (ie the higher possible earning potential of a race horse vs a barrel horse) | |
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| *almost there* - 2015-12-12 8:05 AM
SKM - 2015-12-12 3:46 AM ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system. Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair. I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol!
In no way was anyone asking about the fee rude or disrespectful towards ASOF or company, so your attitude is completely uncalled for! And maybe it's not a lot of money for YOU but maybe it IS a lot of money to someone. God forbid someone learn more about a horse and ask questions. The BHW police will be sure to get on ya for it
To be honest, a $4,500 stud fee is out if my price range. But I certainly don't begrudge those that can afford it. Nor will I sit there and say that it's only great mares that are producing winners for him and the mediocre ones don't. That was basically said a few posts up. How is that comment not disrespectful?
As for my attitude, I actually wrote my comment and was giggling in my head. Also, when I comment it's usually in a business like mannet with no emotion. Your comment is proof once again that the written word can be taken however the person reading it wants it to come across and not necessarily what the writer had in mind. I've been here long enough not to be too worried about that anymore. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a very nice daughter of ASOF, finished, running, youth suitable, advertised on this site. She is out of a daughter of Shawne Bug. http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=314826 | |
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Location: Oklahoma | *almost there* - 2015-12-11 8:15 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:11 PM rebel racing - 2015-12-11 6:18 PM ASOF is Beautifull horse but at 4500 Id rather spend 1000 Less & Breed to Royal Quick Dash or 2500 or less to any of his Full Brothers!!! Separatist is only 300 more than ASOF & He has a really good record too... Color should be the Last choice in breeding horses!!! Id rather breed to Champions & Champion Producers that cost less money!!! I agree with the Right Trainers comment on Any Horse because a Bad trainer can Ruin a Good Horse & a Good trainer can make an OK Horse Better!!! Just My 2cents & Id Really like to have a few ASOF foals but Not at 4500!!! Well thats all fine and dandy and those are all nice horses in their own right BUT, none of them have produced the barrel earnings ASOF has. That is why he is priced where he is.
He just had a yearling sell for $100K at the BFA sale; he's had two recent NFR qualifiers (Worm owned by Trula Churchill, and Bling owned by Sarah Rose McDonald). I've only seen one Royal Quick Dash at the NFR ever (Cassidy Kruse's horse) and I've never seen one sell for $100K for a barrel horse.
Edited by dianeguinn 2015-12-12 10:00 AM
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-12-12 8:15 AM
SKM - 2015-12-12 5:46 AM ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system. Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair. I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol!
Is the stark difference in stud fees between race and barrel studs due to the earning potential of the offspring in the different disciplines? (ie the higher possible earning potential of a race horse vs a barrel horse)
It could be. But the point still remains that elite barrel sires are still cheaper that the elites of other fields. Barrel racers are lucky in that respect. If some average Joe type person has their heart set on breeding to an elite stallion, coming up with $4,500 is a lot easier than something like $40,000.
Someone earlier mentioned Royal Quick Dash. At the height of his breeding career he was around $10,000. When his book started dropping, so did his stud fee. But with him being frozen semen only, by the time you pay all the costs to breed with it, are you really getting off any cheaper?
It appears that ASOF is headed in the direction of being able to sire both sons and daughters that produce. That really is hard to come by. He has some great options for sons to breed to, no doubt about that. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | barrelracr131 - 2015-12-12 9:15 AM
SKM - 2015-12-12 5:46 AM ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system. Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair. I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol!
Is the stark difference in stud fees between race and barrel studs due to the earning potential of the offspring in the different disciplines? (ie the higher possible earning potential of a race horse vs a barrel horse)
I think it's probably because the race horses are usually a tax deduction for the owner. A lot of barrel horse owners don't use them for tax deductions. Nothing to base that on, just purely speculation on my part. | |
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Location: Arizona | dianeguinn - 2015-12-13 8:58 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-11 8:15 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:11 PM rebel racing - 2015-12-11 6:18 PM ASOF is Beautifull horse but at 4500 Id rather spend 1000 Less & Breed to Royal Quick Dash or 2500 or less to any of his Full Brothers!!! Separatist is only 300 more than ASOF & He has a really good record too... Color should be the Last choice in breeding horses!!! Id rather breed to Champions & Champion Producers that cost less money!!! I agree with the Right Trainers comment on Any Horse because a Bad trainer can Ruin a Good Horse & a Good trainer can make an OK Horse Better!!! Just My 2cents & Id Really like to have a few ASOF foals but Not at 4500!!! Well thats all fine and dandy and those are all nice horses in their own right BUT, none of them have produced the barrel earnings ASOF has. That is why he is priced where he is. He just had a yearling sell for $100K at the BFA sale; he's had two recent NFR qualifiers (Worm owned by Trula Churchill, and Bling owned by Sarah Rose McDonald ). I've only seen one Royal Quick Dash at the NFR ever (Cassidy Kruse's horse ) and I've never seen one sell for $100K for a barrel horse.
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Location: Midwest | dianeguinn - 2015-12-12 10:02 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-12-12 9:15 AM SKM - 2015-12-12 5:46 AM ASOF, FWOTR, Blazin Jetolena, DTF, etc. are all obviously doing something right or their books wouldn't fill so fast every year. As long as people are willing to pay high fees to them year after year, then why wouldn't the owners price them accordingly? That's why we have a free market system. Yes, it sucks if they are something you want to breed to but can't afford. Suck it up. Life isn't fair. I'm not sure how people can say they are priced high. These elite barrel stallions are still MUCH cheaper than any other discipline Look at the fees on Corona Cartel, First Down Dash, Mr Jess Perry, etc and then tell me how unfair a $4,500 stud fee is, lol! Is the stark difference in stud fees between race and barrel studs due to the earning potential of the offspring in the different disciplines? (ie the higher possible earning potential of a race horse vs a barrel horse) I think it's probably because the race horses are usually a tax deduction for the owner. A lot of barrel horse owners don't use them for tax deductions. Nothing to base that on, just purely speculation on my part.
Thank you both, DG and SKM.
Both those answers make sense! | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | dianeguinn - 2015-12-12 9:58 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-11 8:15 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:11 PM rebel racing - 2015-12-11 6:18 PM ASOF is Beautifull horse but at 4500 Id rather spend 1000 Less & Breed to Royal Quick Dash or 2500 or less to any of his Full Brothers!!! Separatist is only 300 more than ASOF & He has a really good record too... Color should be the Last choice in breeding horses!!! Id rather breed to Champions & Champion Producers that cost less money!!! I agree with the Right Trainers comment on Any Horse because a Bad trainer can Ruin a Good Horse & a Good trainer can make an OK Horse Better!!! Just My 2cents & Id Really like to have a few ASOF foals but Not at 4500!!! Well thats all fine and dandy and those are all nice horses in their own right BUT, none of them have produced the barrel earnings ASOF has. That is why he is priced where he is. He just had a yearling sell for $100K at the BFA sale; he's had two recent NFR qualifiers (Worm owned by Trula Churchill, and Bling owned by Sarah Rose McDonald ). I've only seen one Royal Quick Dash at the NFR ever (Cassidy Kruse's horse ) and I've never seen one sell for $100K for a barrel horse.
Add Carley Pierce's ASOF out of Easy April Lena to his NFR qualifier list. | |
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Location: SP, Brazil | Breed to him now. He will be the next number one living sire.
As for stallions that have produced at a reasonable fee, we are sending FIREWATER FAST semen from Brazil to the USA. He has produced futurity, derby and open winners on all types of mares in Europe and Brazil and his stud fee will only be $1000, and the number one stallion from Brazil will have semen available too for only $2500. | |
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| I am anxiously awaiting my "Streak of Fling" - My husband paid the stud fee and other associated costs for my anniversary present. Should be here by May 1st.
I do not have a race bred mare with the type of pedigree that others have mentioned. I bred a little cow pony to see what I could get. She has produced winners (superiors) in multiple events, based on the stallions breeding/training and was a performer with over 100 AQHA points in Team Penning by the age of 5, when she severed her DDFT in the fence.
I am hoping for one just a hair faster than the gelding that I am running now. We will see Also waiting to see what color it will be - my luck it will be red, even though she has thrown color every other time.
Here she is
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smarty+egger | |
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