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Location: Where I am happiest | Does she have OCD? With just foundation work, no real stressing and it being in her hocks and stifle makes me think of OCD. She's not exactly built like one that would make me think of one that wouldnt hold up. |
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| Flat track horses are the SAME way. I only started one and NEVER again. I'm sorry about your mare - she is a beauty though! |
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| I can really feel for your dilemma. We've all had the experiences with money pits we throw our money, hopes and dreams into. Hopefully something can be done to help her or with time she might go sound.
That being said, something really bothers me about this situation. You posted on here that you were selling her for broodmare sound, yet you have her posted in facebook groups as being a nice prospect - and exact quote is "this filly has no faults" and "she is going to make someone a super nice horse, or even a really good broodmare down the road". There is no mention of soreness issues. And the post on Facebook was made after your post here. Really not cool. Why in the world would you post here - WITH PICTURES AND REGISTERED NAME - if you were trying to sell and not disclose the soreness? I guess you could be planning on disclosing the information privately to whomever inquires about the horse, but you sure have put yourself in the position of looking like a very questionable seller. To each their own, but I sure would think twice about buying from you. Did you really think nobody would see, or not realize it was the same horse? |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-12-22 4:10 AM
Does she have OCD? With just foundation work, no real stressing and it being in her hocks and stifle makes me think of OCD. She's not exactly built like one that would make me think of one that wouldnt hold up.
I somewhat disagree as far as her build goes. I'd like to see her travel because from the pictures I'd be curious to see if she leaves her hocks behind her when she moves. If so, that's probably a lot of the reason why she's having problems staying sound. I agree that it could be OCD.
We have an Ivory James filly that got hurt. She hung a hip on something and had a really bad cut. I got her a year after the injury happened. She left her hocks behind her when she traveled and couldn't hold a left lead in the back. I have a really good muscle guy that is actually able to adjust the SI. After 3 times of him working on her, she travels like a different horse. Can hold leads, travels underneath herself and really engages the hind end.
To the OP, given the history you posted and the lack of work this horse has done...you might consider thinking outside the box a little. If you invested a lot already, you might want to invest a little more because there has to be an underlying cause for what you have going on and it could be a simple fix if you find the right people to fix it. To fix my filly was about $200. She was no saled as a yearling for $18,000 prior to injury so $200 was a cheap investment to get her fixed. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I have been disclosing privately and have proof of doing so as well.
I would never not disclose something and I encourage vet checks. I pride myself on being an honest seller.
The thing is - it's inflammation, but it goes away when you warm her up. I have been using BOT hock boots and they seem to help. It's just weird. My vet thinks it's stocking up. She is not per say lame, but I don't think it is right to run her with inflammation.
That being said - she could still be a nice prospect as someone's pokey trail horse, maybe even the casual once a month jackpot rider. Maybe? I don't have the money to keep her when I have 3 other babies and I just got a finished horse to run.
And what I mean by that is she has a great willing personality, she wants to learn, she wants to work. She has no faults as in bolt, buck, rear and I believe that is stated in the ad. There is literally zero about soundness. I don't say if she is or isn't because that is usually the first question anyone asks and I immediately disclose it.
I have people on FB that don't need to know my business - on BHW I don't know people. I'm fairly anonymous and I like it like that.
However, I did plan on re-writing the ad after the holidays. It takes me over an hour to write them and between work and holidays I haven't had it.
As for OCD - I'm not familiar with it? |
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| I agree - definitely needs to be rewritten. If I called about this one, and was told she has some lameness issues - I'd walk away just on the principle of it. To each their own. Good luck with her.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hath+no+fury2
Hath No Fury, coming 3 year old barrel racing prospect.
She is by California's very own Frenchmans Fury who is an own son of Frenchmans Guy. He currently has some offspring tearing it up in futurities. They seem to be solid-minded, workaholic types that are running in the 1D/2D.
I absolutely adore this filly. I am listing her cause I have 3 other babies and I am getting something that is finished and that I can run now. This filly has no faults. No buck, bolt, rear.
She has been in training with Luis Torres at LT Quarter Horses for going on 2 months (her 60 days will be the end of this month I believe) and being started slowly and correctly. He says that she has a very willing disposition, wants to please, wants to work. She has currently graduated from her bosal to the snaffle and loping circles, working on being soft in the bridle, whoa with seat and verbal cue.
She is a Frenchmans Guy granddaughter as well as has Three Ohs on her papers, and then cowbred on bottom. She is about 14-14.1 hands and growing.
She is futurity eligible, C-N California and Future Fortunes eligible as well. I have her papers in hand.
I have nothing but great things to say - she has a great personality, always greets me in the pasture, loads in the trailer just fine, she is going to make someone a super nice horse or even a really good broodmare down the road.
I am asking $3,800 OBO for her.
She will remain in training until sold. Price will increase with training.
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| When horses are born, the ends of the bones are soft and more like cartilage. As they grow, those soft end solidify. OCD's occur when they don't solidify properly. You basically end up with soft pockets in the solid bone. Remove those soft chips (for lack of a better word) and the problem goes away.
This is a very crud explanation, but you get the gist of what an OCD lesion is. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | SKM - 2015-12-22 7:09 AM
When horses are born, the ends of the bones are soft and more like cartilage. As they grow, those soft end solidify. OCD's occur when they don't solidify properly. You basically end up with soft pockets in the solid bone. Remove those soft chips (for lack of a better word) and the problem goes away.
This is a very crud explanation, but you get the gist of what an OCD lesion is.
That sounds very, very possible.
I'll research it and bring it up to the vet. Maybe? That would be awesome if I didn't have to sell her. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Phxbarrel - 2015-12-22 6:49 AM I have been disclosing privately and have proof of doing so as well. I would never not disclose something and I encourage vet checks. I pride myself on being an honest seller. The thing is - it's inflammation, but it goes away when you warm her up. I have been using BOT hock boots and they seem to help. It's just weird. My vet thinks it's stocking up. She is not per say lame, but I don't think it is right to run her with inflammation. That being said - she could still be a nice prospect as someone's pokey trail horse, maybe even the casual once a month jackpot rider. Maybe? I don't have the money to keep her when I have 3 other babies and I just got a finished horse to run. And what I mean by that is she has a great willing personality, she wants to learn, she wants to work. She has no faults as in bolt, buck, rear and I believe that is stated in the ad. There is literally zero about soundness. I don't say if she is or isn't because that is usually the first question anyone asks and I immediately disclose it. I have people on FB that don't need to know my business - on BHW I don't know people. I'm fairly anonymous and I like it like that. However, I did plan on re-writing the ad after the holidays. It takes me over an hour to write them and between work and holidays I haven't had it. As for OCD - I'm not familiar with it?
Usually stocking up is in the lower leg, ie; ankles. Inflamation in the hocks and stifles is not just normal stocking up. As for the OCD, go to google and type in OCD in horses. It is basically a mis-formation in the joints from cartledge to bone. You really need to get her to a GOOD lameness specialist and have her examined and those hocks and stifles x-rayed. I see your in S. Cal, so I would make the appt. at Alamo Pintada. They are probably the only ones capable and with the right x-ray equipment to x-ray her stifles and give you a iron clad diagnoses that nobody on the planet can or will second guess. They are amoung the best of the elite. |
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| Another thing with OCD is it can be a nutritional issue or they can be hereditary. I've seen it both ways. If it's hereditary then selling her as a broodmare is not a good idea. |
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| What would be the problem with just turning her out another year and letting her grow up a little more? Maybe she's just a slow grower and the reason she's inflamed is due to being stressed on those young soft joints. |
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Location: Central Texas | Nateracer - 2015-12-22 7:56 AM
What would be the problem with just turning her out another year and letting her grow up a little more? Maybe she's just a slow grower and the reason she's inflamed is due to being stressed on those young soft joints.
This is what I was thinking. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Frenchman's Guys are not the easiest to keep sound. I never made it to a futurity with mine. He made a good horse but he had a lot of problems. Chips, suspensory problems ect. Dr. Mitchell said he was soft boned. |
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Location: sunny california | ThreeCorners - 2015-12-22 5:14 AM Phxbarrel - 2015-12-22 6:49 AM I have been disclosing privately and have proof of doing so as well. I would never not disclose something and I encourage vet checks. I pride myself on being an honest seller. The thing is - it's inflammation, but it goes away when you warm her up. I have been using BOT hock boots and they seem to help. It's just weird. My vet thinks it's stocking up. She is not per say lame, but I don't think it is right to run her with inflammation. That being said - she could still be a nice prospect as someone's pokey trail horse, maybe even the casual once a month jackpot rider. Maybe? I don't have the money to keep her when I have 3 other babies and I just got a finished horse to run. And what I mean by that is she has a great willing personality, she wants to learn, she wants to work. She has no faults as in bolt, buck, rear and I believe that is stated in the ad. There is literally zero about soundness. I don't say if she is or isn't because that is usually the first question anyone asks and I immediately disclose it. I have people on FB that don't need to know my business - on BHW I don't know people. I'm fairly anonymous and I like it like that. However, I did plan on re-writing the ad after the holidays. It takes me over an hour to write them and between work and holidays I haven't had it. As for OCD - I'm not familiar with it? Usually stocking up is in the lower leg, ie; ankles. Inflamation in the hocks and stifles is not just normal stocking up. As for the OCD, go to google and type in OCD in horses. It is basically a mis-formation in the joints from cartledge to bone. You really need to get her to a GOOD lameness specialist and have her examined and those hocks and stifles x-rayed. I see your in S. Cal, so I would make the appt. at Alamo Pintada. They are probably the only ones capable and with the right x-ray equipment to x-ray her stifles and give you a iron clad diagnoses that nobody on the planet can or will second guess. They are amoung the best of the elite.
I second this. I use Dr. Judy and he did the ocd surgery on my horse. you can not even tell with xray that he ever had a lesion. it healed perfectly. there could be a peice floating around in there and it is just chewing up the joint. |
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Location: NE Texas | Contact Dr. Schell at Nouvelle Research. The entire thought process behind his products are to manage inflammation, and therefore pain, not only to lessen the effects of the damage already present, but to also reduce further damage due to the inflammation. I assure you that you won't be sorry! Once the inflammation is managed and contributors eliminated, it wouldn't surprise me in the least for you to be able to put this filly back into training and go on with her. |
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| I can relate! I had the colt I’ve been waiting forever for born in June. He was perfect and so balanced and well proportioned. Faultless, straight long legs and just a little speed demon.
Around 3 months old I thought he was standing funny..well he was on the side of a hill so I credited it to that. 2 days later he’s walking funny and his back pasterns were crooked! I ran him to the vet and he was diagnosed with a bad case of epiphysitis and had hit a major growth spurt so you could see his legs get worse by the day. They took him into surgery the next day and stapled both sides of his pasterns and cut the opposite side to get as much growth as possible to hopefully catch up and straighten out. So far his one leg has straightened completely out, and the other is slowly getting there.
I hope it continues to improve, otherwise I will have a high powered, fire breathing trail horse  |
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| KindaClassey - 2015-12-22 5:01 AM
I agree - definitely needs to be rewritten. If I called about this one, and was told she has some lameness issues - I'd walk away just on the principle of it. To each their own. Good luck with her.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hath+no+fury2
Hath No Fury, coming 3 year old barrel racing prospect.
She is by California's very own Frenchmans Fury who is an own son of Frenchmans Guy. He currently has some offspring tearing it up in futurities. They seem to be solid-minded, workaholic types that are running in the 1D/2D.
I absolutely adore this filly. I am listing her cause I have 3 other babies and I am getting something that is finished and that I can run now. This filly has no faults. No buck, bolt, rear.
She has been in training with Luis Torres at LT Quarter Horses for going on 2 months (her 60 days will be the end of this month I believe ) and being started slowly and correctly. He says that she has a very willing dis position, wants to please, wants to work. She has currently graduated from her bosal to the snaffle and loping circles, working on being soft in the bridle, whoa with seat and verbal cue.
She is a Frenchmans Guy granddaughter as well as has Three Ohs on her papers, and then cowbred on bottom. She is about 14-14.1 hands and growing.
She is futurity eligible, C-N California and Future Fortunes eligible as well. I have her papers in hand.
I have nothing but great things to say - she has a great personality, always greets me in the pasture, loads in the trailer just fine, she is going to make someone a super nice horse or even a really good broodmare down the road.
I am asking $3,800 OBO for her.
She will remain in training until sold. Price will increase with training.
I have a friend that was going to inquire about this horse. After reading this thread I will tell her not to bother. As another barrel racer, why would she want a prospect that you think wouldn't hold up as your own?
That also being said, I do feel for you as I am possibly in the same boat with a potential futurity wash out. Bought a futurity/stud prospect (yes, I have grown up with studs and my mother and I cared for several very prominent dressage/showjumping studs for several years) then I got pregnant and didn't really start the horse as well as I could have. Hubby is NOT used to studs and without daily work and "cotillion" as I call it, colt began to become a jerk. Had my baby, colt now likes to rear, took him to a great reining trainer to get a solid foundation and a refresher course on manners. Meanwhile my whole life gets turned upside down and we have to move. Of course where we move is far from the trainer and where we took our other horses won't allow studs. Trainer advises that if we do keep him a stud I need to work him HARD daily. No weekends off/chill trail rides, etc. I decide to geld because I don't want to break my horse down or deal with a jerk. He is now coming 4, hasn't been patterned, and now it's pouring buckets and sloppy wet here. So, I totally feel your pain with the futurity game. I am still gonna try for it, but if I feel he's not ready we will just wait. |
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