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Location: almost heaven | Is anyone using DMSO or essential oils in the nebulizer for allergies? I have a horse that has severe lung inflammation from allergies. Just had him allergy tested and starting the vaccines as soon as I receive them but hoping to find something other than the CS to use in the nebulizer. | |
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Location: Texas | megsm - 2016-01-02 3:25 PM
I absolutely love my EO's but I had never hear of the CS until this post. Thanks for bringing it up! I've been reading up a ton on it and I am curious to try it for myself to help combat my Lyme disease.
My horse is also battling a lung infection and is currently on penicillin, do you guys think it would be ok to try for him as well? I have a nebulizer and was planning on starting to offer him EO's through it to help with the inflammation. But now I'm thinking maybe I should add some CS too.
I'm not sure what to do as far as dosage though, any recommendations?
Just be careful what oils you use in the nebulizer... I tried it with some CS and tea tree oil, but it is too strong and irritated the lining of his nose. Eucalyptus seems to work okay, but none of the essential oils seem to have had a lasting effect.
Right now I am using about 4cc of DMSO and 4cc of colloidal silver in the nebulizer. I have a really good nebulizer (the cup part) that I just purchased online. It is a finer mist than the one that came with the original kit. You have to be careful with the essential oils in the plastic cup because it will leave a residue.
Another thing you can try with the EO is to mix them with a little dmso and apply them to the skin inside the flank area. You could probably mix it with some distilled water, put it in a clean spray bottle and spray it on. Just remember that wherever you use the dmso, clean the area first so that you don't introduce anything bad into the mix. Always use distilled water too.
Keep us posted on how it goes!
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Location: Texas | N arrow farm - 2016-01-02 8:54 PM
Is anyone using DMSO or essential oils in the nebulizer for allergies? I have a horse that has severe lung inflammation from allergies. Just had him allergy tested and starting the vaccines as soon as I receive them but hoping to find something other than the CS to use in the nebulizer.
Did you have your horse scoped? Is the tracheal area clear or irritated? What did they see in the lungs? What treatment have you tried on him so far?
Read the post that I just replied to above, about the EO's.
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megsm - 2016-01-02 3:25 PM
I absolutely love my EO's but I had never hear of the CS until this post. Thanks for bringing it up! I've been reading up a ton on it and I am curious to try it for myself to help combat my Lyme disease.
My horse is also battling a lung infection and is currently on penicillin, do you guys think it would be ok to try for him as well? I have a nebulizer and was planning on starting to offer him EO's through it to help with the inflammation. But now I'm thinking maybe I should add some CS too.
I'm not sure what to do as far as dosage though, any recommendations?
Just be careful what oils you use in the nebulizer... I tried it with some CS and tea tree oil, but it is too strong and irritated the lining of his nose. Eucalyptus seems to work okay, but none of the essential oils seem to have had a lasting effect.
Right now I am using about 4cc of DMSO and 4cc of colloidal silver in the nebulizer. I have a really good nebulizer (the cup part ) that I just purchased online. It is a finer mist than the one that came with the original kit. You have to be careful with the essential oils in the plastic cup because it will leave a residue.
Another thing you can try with the EO is to mix them with a little dmso and apply them to the skin inside the flank area. You could probably mix it with some distilled water, put it in a clean spray bottle and spray it on. Just remember that wherever you use the dmso, clean the area first so that you don't introduce anything bad into the mix. Always use distilled water too.
Keep us posted on how it goes!
In the past 12 months there was a post where one woman used essential oils directly on her horse, she would rub one drop in the nostril.
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Location: Stephenville, Texas | What is the vaccine that is working for this? And where did you get it?
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Location: almost heaven | I had a BL first he had also the of Mast cells , nuetraphils cells and mucus. Vet said this inflammation due to allergies. After trying acupuncture and herbal remedies and still the only way I can keep him comfortable is dex. The nebulizer with CS has helped a lot with his respiratory issues. I just had the dermal allergy testing done and he is highly allergic to several weeds trees and 1 grass in our area. The vet has a vaccine made up for his specific allergies and that is the vaccine or immuno therapy basically the same as in humans. I have heard others have great results with this but it takes approx 6 month to a year after starting it to really see the results I hear.
I am just looking for other ideas and success stories mainly with the nebulizer that may help in in the process. My next step is to get him scoped after a run just to see how he looks and make sure he is not bleeding any. | |
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Location: Texas | N arrow farm - 2016-01-03 2:46 AM
I had a BL first he had also the of Mast cells , nuetraphils cells and mucus. Vet said this inflammation due to allergies. After trying acupuncture and herbal remedies and still the only way I can keep him comfortable is dex. The nebulizer with CS has helped a lot with his respiratory issues. I just had the dermal allergy testing done and he is highly allergic to several weeds trees and 1 grass in our area. The vet has a vaccine made up for his specific allergies and that is the vaccine or immuno therapy basically the same as in humans. I have heard others have great results with this but it takes approx 6 month to a year after starting it to really see the results I hear.
I am just looking for other ideas and success stories mainly with the nebulizer that may help in in the process. My next step is to get him scoped after a run just to see how he looks and make sure he is not bleeding any.
Have your vet pull blood and send it to Pan American Vet Labs so they can test for Pythium. It is a hugh issue that many vets aren't even aware of. The "vaccine" which is really more of an allergy shot series, costs about $125.
Since pythium is a fungus that is in the soil, it is difficult to get away from. Whenever your horse eats the grass, especially if it wet, he continues to irritate his throat . It's called Pythium Induced Respiratory Disease. It can be fatal if left untreated. Scar tissue, or cicatrix, develops on the trachea and blocks the airway. This lab is the only one that has developed a treatment for it and they have had great success. I'm going to try to do a youtube video with Bob, the owner/researcher of PAVL, so people will have more info when talking to their vet.
The symptoms of a pythium allergy include... clear runny nose, occassional cough turning chronic, that often turns into cold like symptoms due to secondary infection. Steriods and antibiotics will treat the symptoms but are doing nothing to help treat the cause. As soon as they come off the meds the symptoms return. Steroids diminish the effect of vaccines, so they are less effective if given together. Unfortunately, it is a vicious circle. BUT, it can be broken with the right information.
Another great thing for allergies is Spirulina... I have my gelding on Spirulina, but it takes awhile to see results with it, so don't give up, though I don't believe it will help the pythium problem.
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Let me also add... and stress the fact that... Your horse HAS to have a strong immune system if you are going to do any type of immune system treatments, like allergy shots. If they are on steroids and antibiotics, you should not do the shots. Make absolutely sure you get your horse as strong as possible so that the allergy shots can help them rather than harm them. If you are doing antibiotics, switch to the CS, as it won't have the side effects associated with most drugs. I use a pretty strong CS concentration and mix it with the dmso and drench it, if not it may not be utilized as well orally. Mixing it with dmso makes it easily absorbed and more likely to make it into the bloodstream.
Let me also add... this takes commitment. It's a pain in the behind to have to do this everyday, but I am seeing a pretty dry nose, without the use of drugs, for the first time in over 2 years. I'm hoping to get Stormy to the point that I can turn him out with few if any, issues. My other gelding is getting only the pythium vaccine and responding great! I expect to be able to turn him out in the next couple of weeks.
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Location: Bandera, TX | G&B, thank you for all of your info. Your using the DMSO with the CS like the guys at the track do.
I was talking to the rep for the MPTS 360 he has a product called "Clear Scope" if your looking to stay natural and expel congestion this may help.
I hear often of those that want to scope their horse post a run and I want to just remind you that sometimes the vet won't see blood. However, if you do a BAL there's the writing on the wall so to speak when the labs return.
I use both a jet nebulizer and ultrasonic/mesh nebulizer. When I have to get the meds to the alveoli level I use my Flexineb with my essential oils. When I'm trying to clear large airway congestion I may give a shot of Acetylcysteine and use the jet nebulizer over the course of a week to speed the expulsion. If I'm hearing tight sounds in the lung fields then albuterol. I try to stay away from the steroids for the same reasons G&B mentioned,my holistic stays on track a bit better I think.
I'm going to test a mare that I've turned into a broodie due to her chronic cough thanks again for all your posting G&B!!
PS, You want to share how your formulating the CS?
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Thanks U-D-T! I'm going to look up the flexineb... I've been fortunate and not had any lung issues in either of these horses. Their issues have all been upper respiratory. Though I have had sone in the past that had lung and bleeding issues... wish I knew then what I know now!
I have a pretty simple colloidal silver generator that I purchased online along with 10 guage 99.99% silver wire. I make a couple of quarts at a time of 20ppm colloidal silver. It is my understanding that you want different sized particles so that it can penetrate various sizes of cells, whether they be viral, bacterial, or fungal. You always want to use pure water with no contamination, so distilled is my choice.
Please remember that I may do lots of research, but I am only beginning this journey, I know there is TONS more that I will learn, that being said... I AM NO EXPERT, VET, OR MD. Please do your own research and don't base your decisions on what one person says. You may have to weed through some junk first, but there is a load of information on studies, personal experiences, etc. online and at your local library. Also, things sometimes take time to work, so if you don't see results after one or two tries or days, don't just give up, give it some time to work.
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-01-01 9:29 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-01 7:20 PM If mine had not bled, I would not have had them scoped, thankfully we caught within a few months of initial exposure to whatever the irritant is. I agree about how common it is, no telling how many horses are not diagnosed. Many vets do not give the vaccine, A&M will not give it. I don't understand their thinking, even if it is nit effective for all horses it is worth trying. The vaccine is absolutely the only reason mine healed. Did you have an Elisa test done?
I agree with your thinking on trying the vaccine.
I sure agree with Joy on the CS and the EO uses. Using oils that show antifungal properties could be of help to horses fighting pythium.
There are so many under the radar treatments such as: Sodium Chloride, dilute hydrochloric acid, Ozone (we have several guys in SA using this modality), LET, high dose Vit C and the old try and true for the old timers Fermented Wheat Germ Extracts. To boost the natural immune system. Really believe we have dumbed down the immune system with manmade products.
Our own LadyJockey helped me with a bleeder years ago and introduced me to EO. I used several but didn't get heavy into learning about them until about three years ago. I'm praying for the time to take bonifide courses.
I did not do the Elisa test, prior to the move, my horses were very healthy, barely even a cold in years. My vet mentioned it but they responded so well to the vaccine we didn't do it. I did essential oils on one horse, my other gelding acted like I was trying to kill him so he did not get them, both horses were a 3 on a scale of 10, both healed at the same rate as well as my other 2. The only time I had one not respond well was when he was on an antibiotic due to stepping on a nail. I really feel the antibiotic interfered with the vaccine. I gave him another dose after the meds were done and he responded then. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-03 3:01 PM uno-dos-tres! - 2016-01-01 9:29 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-01 7:20 PM If mine had not bled, I would not have had them scoped, thankfully we caught within a few months of initial exposure to whatever the irritant is. I agree about how common it is, no telling how many horses are not diagnosed. Many vets do not give the vaccine, A&M will not give it. I don't understand their thinking, even if it is nit effective for all horses it is worth trying. The vaccine is absolutely the only reason mine healed. Did you have an Elisa test done?
I agree with your thinking on trying the vaccine.
I sure agree with Joy on the CS and the EO uses. Using oils that show antifungal properties could be of help to horses fighting pythium.
There are so many under the radar treatments such as: Sodium Chloride, dilute hydrochloric acid, Ozone (we have several guys in SA using this modality), LET, high dose Vit C and the old try and true for the old timers Fermented Wheat Germ Extracts. To boost the natural immune system. Really believe we have dumbed down the immune system with manmade products.
Our own LadyJockey helped me with a bleeder years ago and introduced me to EO. I used several but didn't get heavy into learning about them until about three years ago. I'm praying for the time to take bonifide courses.
Another good example to me about the antibiotics "in the way". So glad to hear your results with the vaccine. I'm going to pull blood asap and have my horse tested.
Gals, what is your soil and subsoil like where your horses are? My horses are on heavy clay soils that hold in lots of moisture. That has me thinking about the epidemiology. I'm going to go back and read Dr. Mendoza's research. I wonder if there would be a treatment for our pastures. Have you looked into this? | |
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Location: Delaware | cheryl makofka - 2016-01-03 12:21 AM
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megsm - 2016-01-02 3:25 PM
I absolutely love my EO's but I had never hear of the CS until this post. Thanks for bringing it up! I've been reading up a ton on it and I am curious to try it for myself to help combat my Lyme disease.
My horse is also battling a lung infection and is currently on penicillin, do you guys think it would be ok to try for him as well? I have a nebulizer and was planning on starting to offer him EO's through it to help with the inflammation. But now I'm thinking maybe I should add some CS too.
I'm not sure what to do as far as dosage though, any recommendations?
Just be careful what oils you use in the nebulizer... I tried it with some CS and tea tree oil, but it is too strong and irritated the lining of his nose. Eucalyptus seems to work okay, but none of the essential oils seem to have had a lasting effect.
Right now I am using about 4cc of DMSO and 4cc of colloidal silver in the nebulizer. I have a really good nebulizer (the cup part ) that I just purchased online. It is a finer mist than the one that came with the original kit. You have to be careful with the essential oils in the plastic cup because it will leave a residue.
Another thing you can try with the EO is to mix them with a little dmso and apply them to the skin inside the flank area. You could probably mix it with some distilled water, put it in a clean spray bottle and spray it on. Just remember that wherever you use the dmso, clean the area first so that you don't introduce anything bad into the mix. Always use distilled water too.
Keep us posted on how it goes!
In the past 12 months there was a post where one woman used essential oils directly on her horse, she would rub one drop in the nostril.
I can't remember who it was, but she was having good luck with it
Thanks everyone!
My plan was to use frankincense in the nebulizer for the inflammation as far as the EO's go. I was curious as to the correct dosing on the CS though ? | |
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Everything that I read and the people I've talked to say it is VERY difficult to treat the pastures and get rid of it. Our pastures have areas of clay and sandy loam. It spreads easily so you have to be careful when shredding or even driving on infected ground. I have had some root rot problems that I now know the cause of though. Guess that's a plus, lol. Fertilizing is one of the worst things you can do, as it makes it worse. We are going to try some stuff this spring... lime and a fungicide... to see if it helps. We're going to do graze-on, too. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | grinandbareit - 2016-01-03 7:03 PM Everything that I read and the people I've talked to say it is VERY difficult to treat the pastures and get rid of it. Our pastures have areas of clay and sandy loam. It spreads easily so you have to be careful when shredding or even driving on infected ground. I have had some root rot problems that I now know the cause of though. Guess that's a plus, lol. Fertilizing is one of the worst things you can do, as it makes it worse. We are going to try some stuff this spring... lime and a fungicide... to see if it helps. We're going to do graze-on, too.
Let me know how that goes. Thanks so much for spreading your knowledge! | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | megsm - 2016-01-03 6:56 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-01-03 12:21 AM grinandbareit - 2016-01-02 9:47 PM megsm - 2016-01-02 3:25 PM I absolutely love my EO's but I had never hear of the CS until this post. Thanks for bringing it up! I've been reading up a ton on it and I am curious to try it for myself to help combat my Lyme disease. My horse is also battling a lung infection and is currently on penicillin, do you guys think it would be ok to try for him as well? I have a nebulizer and was planning on starting to offer him EO's through it to help with the inflammation. But now I'm thinking maybe I should add some CS too. I'm not sure what to do as far as dosage though, any recommendations? Just be careful what oils you use in the nebulizer... I tried it with some CS and tea tree oil, but it is too strong and irritated the lining of his nose. Eucalyptus seems to work okay, but none of the essential oils seem to have had a lasting effect. Right now I am using about 4cc of DMSO and 4cc of colloidal silver in the nebulizer. I have a really good nebulizer (the cup part ) that I just purchased online. It is a finer mist than the one that came with the original kit. You have to be careful with the essential oils in the plastic cup because it will leave a residue. Another thing you can try with the EO is to mix them with a little dmso and apply them to the skin inside the flank area. You could probably mix it with some distilled water, put it in a clean spray bottle and spray it on. Just remember that wherever you use the dmso, clean the area first so that you don't introduce anything bad into the mix. Always use distilled water too. Keep us posted on how it goes! In the past 12 months there was a post where one woman used essential oils directly on her horse, she would rub one drop in the nostril. I can't remember who it was, but she was having good luck with it Thanks everyone! My plan was to use frankincense in the nebulizer for the inflammation as far as the EO's go. I was curious as to the correct dosing on the CS though ?
EO's that work in the neb for inflammation: Copaiba and Frankincense I've found that I can cut my dosage in half when I'm nebulizing the EO's. You might want to just try 5 drops of the Copaiba and Frankincense and watch for a favorable response.
When your mixing your EO's try to use glass bottles so you have no loss to the plastic nor any residues from the plastic ending up in your animal.
Hyssop is very good for expelling anything from the body. Dr. Shelton uses 1 drop per 500# try it via petting on the inside hind leg or drop in the gums.
Be careful on using to much 'phenols' in neb treatments. They can irritate. Use your EO guide to help you. | |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-01-03 10:13 PM
megsm - 2016-01-03 6:56 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-01-03 12:21 AM grinandbareit - 2016-01-02 9:47 PM megsm - 2016-01-02 3:25 PM I absolutely love my EO's but I had never hear of the CS until this post. Thanks for bringing it up! I've been reading up a ton on it and I am curious to try it for myself to help combat my Lyme disease. My horse is also battling a lung infection and is currently on penicillin, do you guys think it would be ok to try for him as well? I have a nebulizer and was planning on starting to offer him EO's through it to help with the inflammation. But now I'm thinking maybe I should add some CS too. I'm not sure what to do as far as dosage though, any recommendations? Just be careful what oils you use in the nebulizer... I tried it with some CS and tea tree oil, but it is too strong and irritated the lining of his nose. Eucalyptus seems to work okay, but none of the essential oils seem to have had a lasting effect. Right now I am using about 4cc of DMSO and 4cc of colloidal silver in the nebulizer. I have a really good nebulizer (the cup part ) that I just purchased online. It is a finer mist than the one that came with the original kit. You have to be careful with the essential oils in the plastic cup because it will leave a residue. Another thing you can try with the EO is to mix them with a little dmso and apply them to the skin inside the flank area. You could probably mix it with some distilled water, put it in a clean spray bottle and spray it on. Just remember that wherever you use the dmso, clean the area first so that you don't introduce anything bad into the mix. Always use distilled water too. Keep us posted on how it goes! In the past 12 months there was a post where one woman used essential oils directly on her horse, she would rub one drop in the nostril. I can't remember who it was, but she was having good luck with it Thanks everyone! My plan was to use frankincense in the nebulizer for the inflammation as far as the EO's go. I was curious as to the correct dosing on the CS though ?
When your mixing your EO's try to use glass bottles so you have no loss to the plastic nor any residues from the plastic ending up in your animal.
Hyssop is very good for expelling anything from the body. Dr. Shelton uses 1 drop per 500# try it via petting on the inside hind leg or drop in the gums.
Be careful on using to much 'phenols' in neb treatments. They can irritate. Use your EO guide to help you.
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Location: Texas | uno-dos-tres! - 2016-01-04 12:15 AM
Together, remember that Copiaba is a potentiator of whatever it's used with.
I have frankincense, but I haven't tried it. Would it be irritating in the neb if it isn't diluted?
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