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Location: Bastrop, Texas | My mistake.....I meant to ask what is the recommended dose of BCM-95 Curcumin? How much is contained in Cur-Ost? | |
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| Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 9:54 PM
Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
I also tried to find a cheaper way around the ingredients in Curost. I have 2 horses on it and it's about 300 a month. After I searched all the ingredients etc i realized I was not a vet or chemist and someone way more educated in this field than myself had spent hours of research to find the correct combination. Ingredients do not work independently of each other. It's how they all mix that give the most benefit. Soooooo what i did is to play with dosages. My 4 year old with really no issues get 1 scoop of total and my allergy arthritic dude gets full dose. That cut my Curost Bill in half. Lol i also still love my adequan and pentosan so I still use it. So it's all good | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | FLITASTIC - 2016-01-08 6:16 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 9:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I also tried to find a cheaper way around the ingredients in Curost. I have 2 horses on it and it's about 300 a month. After I searched all the ingredients etc i realized I was not a vet or chemist and someone way more educated in this field than myself had spent hours of research to find the correct combination. Ingredients do not work independently of each other. It's how they all mix that give the most benefit. Soooooo what i did is to play with dosages. My 4 year old with really no issues get 1 scoop of total and my allergy arthritic dude gets full dose. That cut my Curost Bill in half. Lol i also still love my adequan and pentosan so I still use it. So it's all good
Yep, like Flitastic said. Just play with the dosing. Right now all my horses are on 1 scoop of their blends minus 1. And I'm sure I will have to play around again when we start hauling harder. But I've also dramatically cut my feed/supplement bill so I'm still ahead in that aspect.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You can find BCM-95 Curcumin in bulk. I found a few sites that offer it. For example, 1 Kg (1000 doses) runs about $200 on this site:
http://www.bulksupplements.com/curcumin-turmeric-extract.html
That comes to about $5-6 per horse, per month, not counting the cost of fresh ground black pepper and coconut oil. From what I've read, you get optimum absorption with these two components. I've also found a recipe for Pure TURMERIC with coconut oil and fresh ground black pepper, and I bet you could apply this to the BCM-95 Curcumin. | |
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Location: Midwest | Bear - 2016-01-08 8:21 AM You can find BCM-95 Curcumin in bulk. I found a few sites that offer it. For example, 1 Kg (1000 doses ) runs about $200 on this site: http://www.bulksupplements.com/curcumin-turmeric-extract.html That comes to about $5-6 per horse, per month, not counting the cost of fresh ground black pepper and coconut oil. From what I've read, you get optimum absorption with these two components. I've also found a recipe for Pure TURMERIC with coconut oil and fresh ground black pepper, and I bet you could apply this to the BCM-95 Curcumin.
Can you PM me the recipe? | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM
Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses.
It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today.
They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Regarding the link I posted about the BCM-95 Curcurmin, neither the pepperdine or oil is not needed; it has a 96% absorption rate alone. Turmeric or Curcurmin would require the added pepperdine and oil. The dosage would be directly dependent on what you're trying to manage. The EQ Total Support is much more that just Curcurmin. Not only does it include the BCM-95 Curcurmin, but also has other herbs and whole food sources added to the blend to support the stomach, the immune response, inflammation, etc. There are other formulas they offer that have higher levels of Curcurmin for more advanced cases of pain and inflammation, and that would be the EQ Pure. For a horse who has severe arthritis, navicular, and other inflammation/pain issues, it would be a better choice over the EQ Total Support. Once the inflammation is controlled, EQ Total Support would likely be used for maintenance.
Another thing to consider is the potency and consistency of the herbs purchased. The Cur-OST team tests every batch of every ingredient received to ensure the meet the standards and aren't "cut", so to speak. I watched an interesting 20/20 last week about the olive oil industry and how the Italian mafia is controlling the majority of the oils we see on the shelf. Based on the documentation of the show, 75% of the Extra Virgin Olive Oil on the shelf in the US contains less than 10% actual olive oil. Interesting.
I leave the mix up to the experts, as like Flitastic said, i'm not a chemist and haven't done the research to know which herbs interact with one another positively or negatively. The Cur-OST product thankfull takes the guess work out of it for me, and i'm so thankful for them. The services they provide through the forum at www.secondvet.com and through consultations are second to none. Dr. Schell was able to get my horse back on track after several very well respected veterinarians had no other options.
This is a link to one of the discussions on the forum and is a great introduction to Nouvelle Reseach and Dr. Schell, the creator of the Cur-OST product. I can't name another company who offers this kind of support or accessibility. https://secondvet.com/index.php/kunena/equine/81-discussion-truth-transparency | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-01-08 8:38 AM
Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
After all, its for the animals.
I might do that. Like I've said, this is one naturopathic remedy that has genuinely piqued my interest. Allison emailed him and he wouldn't tell her the amount. Maybe he'll tell me if I talk to him and ask him.
I'm pretty sure the Cur-ost can be qualitatively and quantitatively analyzed and a pretty accurate formulation can be arrived at. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses. It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today. They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
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Location: Midwest | Herbie - 2016-01-08 8:49 AM Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses. It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today. They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
I think he's talking about buying stuff at two different occasions.
Anywho, if Cur Ost were cheaper, I would probably give it a whirl. I don't think it is a bad product by any means. However, I'm on a budget right now. I wouldn't mind trying the curcumin alone even, as it seemingly has helped my mother. If it's in my price range, I'd give it a shot. There is a lot of research behind these substances for pain relief. | |
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Location: NE Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-01-08 8:57 AM Herbie - 2016-01-08 8:49 AM Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses. It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today. They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
Anywho, if Cur Ost were cheaper, I would probably give it a whirl. I don't think it is a bad product by any means. However, I'm on a budget right now. I wouldn't mind trying the curcumin alone even, as it seemingly has helped my mother. If it's in my price range, I'd give it a shot. There is a lot of research behind these substances for pain relief.
Just confused and trying to help with the dosage, but considering the dosage would be VERY different between Turmeric and BCM-95 Curcurmin, that's something that definitely would need to be cleared up. Maybe he bought both.
The cost if the product is justified for me, as my total feed bill is a fraction of what it used to be with the $28/bag feed and other products I was giving trying to achieve the same results.
For those interested, below is the label off the EQ Total Support showing other ingredients included in this blend.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | 1DSoon - 2016-01-08 8:38 AM Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
After all, its for the animals.
That isn't very fair to say? That would be like calling Sore No More and asking for their recipe so you can make your own instead of buying theirs?
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Location: Midwest | SmokinGirlie - 2016-01-08 9:02 AM 1DSoon - 2016-01-08 8:38 AM Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
After all, its for the animals. That isn't very fair to say? That would be like calling Sore No More and asking for their recipe so you can make your own instead of buying theirs?
His entire blend (the other things) would likely be proprietary.
And Herbie I thought in one post he shared the link for the 95% blend online, but in the other post he tried a tumeric recipe from tumeric bought at HEB.
I'm sure he will be back to answer.
And as for me, I pay board with feed and hay included, so all of it will be extra. LOL
ETA: I don't think he will share his dosage though. I'd look to research publications for this info, if there are any.
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Location: Midwest | And Bear, FYI, the BCM-95 Curcumin is the 95% Curcumin plus tumeric oils built in.... the link you posted above is plain 95%, so you would need to add a fat source still I believe.
I actually work in the science and laboratory field, so I like mixing things myself. Heck, I do it all day. But I totally get how one not in my field would rather just spend the extra money and not have to bother. I'm glad so many are having luck with this product. If it works and the ideas spread, it has the oportunity to help many horses. | |
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM
Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses.
It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today.
They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
Ah the golden paste. I did that for quite a while. I even took it myself in some warm milk. I actually liked it. I have been feeding turmeric, fresh ground pepper and canola oil (it's cheaper bec I feed it to 4 horses. Coconut or olive oil was just to expensive after a while) for over a year already and it seems to work great. Besides it and pentosan and MSM, I haven't fed anything but a good quality hay and a kent dynasty feed. I have one with IAD from allergies and three other ones that just need basic joint maintenance. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If you read enough about this stuff, you'll find a ton of stories about results using pure BCM-95 Curcumin just like Herbie's excellent results with the Cur-Ost formulation. There is an actual turmeric "group" on FB loaded with these kinds of stories. Pure bulk BCM-95 Curcumin powder I found online ran about $200 for a kilogram of the stuff, so it's very cheap. I just used pure organic turmeric in the batch that I made last night. I can maintain a horse on this stuff for about the cost of a can of root beer per month. We have 7 horses, and the only issues are two tend to get coughing spells from time to time. Another is a son of Designer Red and he is a fire breathing dragon in the alley. I'm not sure there's any remedy for that, but if his behavior changes I'll be impressed! I think if I had a very special horse with the problems Herbie had, I would just roll the dice and go straight to the Cur-Ost, but nobody can afford to just keep a herd of 5-10 horses on Cur-Ost. They can easily afford to feed them the alternative recipe. I hope this helps some people out. | |
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Location: Lala Land | I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-01-08 9:13 AM
And Bear, FYI, the BCM-95 Curcumin is the 95% Curcumin plus tumeric oils built in.... the link you posted above is plain 95%, so you would need to add a fat source still I believe.
I actually work in the science and laboratory field, so I like mixing things myself. Heck, I do it all day. But I totally get how one not in my field would rather just spend the extra money and not have to bother. I'm glad so many are having luck with this product. If it works and the ideas spread, it has the oportunity to help many horses.
Good point, Alison. My batch was just pure organic Turmeric, so I added the coconut oil the recipe called for. If I buy the bulk BCM-95 Curcumin (which is the actual active ingredient), I guess I won't have to fuss with making up batches, like I did with the turmeric.
Nice thing about Curcumin is that it is a COX-2 inhibitor, but it has a built in protective effect on the stomach because it doesn't effect Cox-1. | |
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