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Location: Arkansas | SmokinBandits - 2016-01-13 3:00 PM
Oh boy, these vets are good. The vet was here last night till about ten. On the phone and sending pictures to the eye specialist at New Bolton who was in her jammies, I'm sure, at home. I may not be getting all this right but this is what we've come to so far: Even though the cytology didn't show fungus, they believe it might in fact, be a fungus after all, deep inside the eyeball. They also believe there's an abscess, even though it's not presenting in the usual way. We're going to continue to treat with the Chloramphenicol ointment and the Itraconazole/DMSO ointment but I'm going to increase it to at least six times a day. We are going to replace the Itraconazole/DMSO when it's empty with something stronger, I believe she said. We're continuing with the Atropine twice a day. We are increasing the Bute to 1 1/2 grams twice a day. We started the good eye on an antibiotic, Neomycin and Polymyxin B Sulfates/Bacitracin Zinc ointment two to three times a day because of the slight tearing that started. Looking into that eye, she saw something that was questionable but it was nothing so obvious that she would have been concerned about it if this wasn't going on. She drew blood for Leptosporosis. That should take a week to get back. She will let me know today about what kind of oral antibiotic we're going to put him on.
Frodo, I will mention it again. I know Penicillan knocks the crap out of stuff and if it's something systemic like Lepto, that would make sense that it could work.
It is incredibly hard doing so many treatments but I'm determined to give it my all. He's such a good boy. He's letting me do it now without too much of a fight. I just coo to him like a baby and rub his face with a nice warm wet washcloth and he lowers his head and lets me put it in. I am scared hearing how long some of you treated. I am having a hard time working. I have to work so I can pay for this all....
SOunds like you have a plan now, good luck. There's a new vaccine for the lepto that just came out I believe. . . . | |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Sending prayers your way. We treated one with an eye injury for a year. It takes time and it's very stressful, but the eye is remarkably resilient.
Not horse related, but a friend's son had his eye impaled by a mesquite thorn while hunting Monday. The thorn went completely through the eye and through the lense. He had surgery, they removed the lense and after the damage heals, they will put a new lense in much like cataract surgery. He's expected to have full sight in his eye.
Stay the course. Sounds like you have a plan and doctors that are on top of things. | |
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| I will tell you right now, leptospirosis is a BAD deal and I am really, really hoping for you that it isn't lepto. It can also be spread through infected, untreated horses. We were the 3rd confirmed case to have gotten it from a single boarding barn (that still is not disclosing that their horses have it, and refuse to test their horses for it, but that is a totally different speech that will just get me seeing red.)
The mare in my profile picture had to go through a 7 day treatment of a hard core IV medicine at the vet's, and the last day it blew out her vein and the medication just destroyed her neck tissue. She had to have the scar tissue removed 5 times, her neck was so swollen she could hardly move her head, she had to be fed elevated because she couldn't put her head down. We had to soak the spot in Epsom salts three times a day, as well as treat her eyes for the uveitis. We used DMSO/Silverdene mix around the open wound to try and lower the swelling, as well as kept it pressure wrapped most of the time. It was a very miserable 3 months for all of us until that healed. Not to mention, this was same time we found out she was having navicular changes and was missing most of the sole on her front feet, so she had to get special shoes so she could walk soundly, plus more medications to increase circulation.
Now here we are six months later, and she has formed a large cataract on her eye, so she's lost quite a bit of vision in her right eye - vision is equivalent to looking out a dirty window. She's only 11 years old. This poor mare got all the bad luck hitting at once, but luckily, she tested negative for the strain of lepto that primarily causes abortions, because she's a broodmare now. No, she shouldn't pass it onto her foal since she has been treated and is no longer contagious. This was a major argument, and still is anytime we take her anywhere. The treated horses are not the ones to worry about, it's the undiagnosed ones that are the threats. We carry a signed letter by our vet explaining how she is not contagious, poses no threat to anyone or anything, and even then people still try to fight me.
I highly suggest the new vaccine for lepto coming out, this is one of those diseases that shouldn't be played with. | |
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| GOD BLESS YOU AND HOPING HORSE WILL RECOVER FULLY ...
I know it is tuff to be the guinea pig while several vets play the guessing game!!
I read everything twice ... and my 3rd eye thought how silly it would be if it was a blocked tear duct causing all this vetting ...
Find you a 12cc syringe and remove the needle ... now load it with eye saline solution or the greasy meds you are using.
Look up in horses nostrils and you will find a little hole about 2 inches up on each side of his nose bone which is his tear duct drainage tube ... the 12cc syringe nozzle will fit the holes ... press firmly and push the meds up thru it into the corner of his eye ... if the tear duct is blocked you will have difficulty squirting the meds or saline all the way to the eye or the large duct at the inside corner of his eye may be blocked ... it is larger than you expect ... so squirt until you see meds or saline running out of his eye ...
A horse has 3 eyelids and all three are dependent on tears as lubrication and to flush out debris. If these eyelids become dry or inflamed it will not show up with the dye ... that is eye injuries only ...
Also .. if something as simple as an eyelash is hidden between his outer and second eyelid or behind the 3rd eyelid.. ... if you watch a horse blink his eye especially while bathing .. you will see this large pink eyelid blink before he closes or opens his outer eyelid ... the 3rd eye lid is in the corner of his eye with the tear duct ... tuff to see it ..
You are not going to harm anything by clearing his tear ducts with saline on each side while following your vets orders ... matter of fact it may be the cure all ... and could be done once per day without much trouble ...
To everyone that has horse eye problems ... (I have never figured out why vets do not tell you this) ... use the tear duct method to treat their eyes with meds ... there is no fight, no future head shyness or lack of medicating the eye by doing this ... and the problem may be a piece of hay, a grass seed or something he snuffed up into his tear duct ... might get lucky and solve a problem that text book vets never would of thought to try .... ...
Ask your vet to turn his outer eyelid wrong side out and look hard at his 2nd and third eyelids for debris or any unusual red spot that might be a sticker or just plain old inflammation ..... and write down the meds suggested by our eye doctor on this post and talk to vet about using them ...
It is way past time for messing around .. someone has to get aggressive and give some body antibiotics to assist his natural defenses to take command of the problem at his eye .... even to the point of simply placing warm towels on his eye to increase blood flow to that area ...
Again ... I don't know why they are using Banamine ... it relaxes the guts and digestive system if a horse has symptoms of colic for a constipated turd to pass thru and not a general pain killer ????!!!!
If you want something to really work on all three things at one time .. pain, inflammation and swelling ... give him some aspirin ... you can buy it powdered at any drugstore to put with water in a syringe and give it by mouth ... 3-4 times per day ... no tummy problems ... just figure an adult dose is for a 200 lb human ... and give 5x that amount if he weighs 1000 lbs ... each time ...
Whoops I mentioned water ... now is the time to really pay attention to how much he is drinking .. if normal no problem .. if not very much ... start soaking some hay and adding water to his feed for him to get a little more liquid before vets say he is dehydrated and start using the $100 IV bags ...
Another little item that is more frequent in foals ... If they rub an eye or eyelid or a growth problem .. the outside lid can curl back into the 2nd lid when blinking and create havoc with an eye .... ever rub your eye and do this and how you struggled to rub the curl back to normal but had to fish an eyelid hair out of your eye too ... so just pay attention as this is rather rare ..
I am going to repeat this ...
To everyone that has horse eye problems ... (I have never figured out why vets do not tell you this) ... use the tear duct method to treat their eyes with meds ... there is no fight, no future head shyness or lack of medicating the eye by doing this ...
Giving shots ... practice giving a shot by spiking an ink pen onto a piece of paper with the cheek of your hand laying on the desk ... now spike the pen into the piece of paper and firmly hold it there in case the paper wants to move away from the pen ... lol .. and tell your feet to move along to keep the pen firmly pressed against the paper ..
Now ... take the needle out of an empty syringe and go to a horse .. lay the cheek of your hand firmly on the horse and spike him with the nozzle end to practice the procedure and don't forget to tell your feet to move with the horse if it should move or duck away ..
Now that you know how to do this ... fix your shot ... now PINCH the area the needle will enter for 3-5 seconds and then flatten out any skin that might want to bunch up .... and give your shot by keeping everything steady and pressed firmly against the horse while keeping the pressure position for a few seconds to make sure there is no drip affect when removing the needle .... remove the needle in one swift movement and press your finger on the injection site for 20-30 seconds to close it up .. ... always try to use a 20 gauge needle even if it takes a little longer with thicker meds ...
A 20 gauge needle will bend and flex a little bit should the horse move or syringe gets wiggled ... where a 16 or 20 gauge needle will slice the muscle inside the injection site and create problems a day or so later ...
I am going to sound mean but sane right here .... As livestock owners we all owe it to ourselves and family to make careful decisions on putting ourselves in financial hardship by basing the amount of vetting and meds to be used based on the value of the animal and the value of the animal if they live but have physical problems that limit their use. ... I know it is tuff to think about but there comes a time a rainbow bridge decision may have to be made ... so know your limits and make the decision you think is right with no regrets!! ... GOD BLESS ... | |
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 Having Smokin Bandits
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | Thanks so much guys for all the conversation.
Rodeoveteran, that is awful sweet of you to offer that mask but I do have a Guardian mask--I am also unlucky enough to have a headshaker, so I have a number of masks. I'll email you so you see I responded.
FlyingHigh, let's hope it's not Lepto! It will take about a week to find out.
BarrelHorseUSA, thanks for writing all that. I'm going to come back and reread. Have to hurry now. I will mention the tear duct thing to vet. I wondered if it could be something simple like that because you could easily miss a microscopic piece of something in there. I should mention that the eye is all inflamed in the back quadrant. We are not giving Banamine now. We switched to Bute. It's not just for the pain but for the inflammation I believe she said. I don't think he's going to be on it long. He's not a big ulcer candidate, though I know he could get one. He's easy-going. He is NOT drinking water normally. He drank it better yesterday. I am watching. I will wet his hay and grain.
Anyway, update: I have been religious about doing his eye and I've been putting the ointments in 7 times a day. I feel like I bundle up, go outside, unbundle, then it's time to bundle back up again. The bundling takes more time than doctoring the horse! lol He has been amazing. He is now allowing me to put the ointments in without even putting a halter on him! Saves so much time. He likes it when I take a very warm wet washcloth and wash his face, going over the eye and gently holding it there for a couple of seconds. Last night his eye was slightly opened for the first time and I thought there was less fluid coming from it. I am praying there's more improvement today. Gotta run and get out there. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again so much! I love this horse!
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| Banamine is best for eye pain!!!! it will alos help with the inflammation so switch back at your next administration or if you feel you need to, you can give half doses of each. Check with your vet to see if they can be mixed in a syringe,if you are giving by shot....Banamine will react with a lot of stuff so you have to be careful what you mix it with and I cannot remember if Bute is one of them.
I have been assuming all along that they tear ducts were flushed. Hopefully the vet checked that out. I had a mare who teared constantly. Asked the vet to flush ducts , we stained and treated with various antibiotics and Banamine but it kept on over months. Finally took her to State and over $700 later all they could tell me was she had poor tear quality. She ended up developing a corneal ulcer despite our best efforts and needed surgery (hence the eye guard). I have since come up with the theory that she would irritate that eye by lying down on her front end only and laying her head down to eat at hay under the panels in my barn....I had seen her do this many times, and the sand and salt would get in her eye, the salt drying the tears out and eventually damaging the eye itself.
I hope that you can get to the bottom of this quickly. Have patience but do not ignore. The stuff out horses put us through....seems like I am always doctoring on something!
edited to add: Bute is more for skeletal/joint type pain and Banamine is more for soft tissue (not just gut pain), eyes are soft tissue. I have dealt with several eye issues and all vets concerned have told me that Banamine is best for eye pain,so this is not just my opinion.
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Location: somewhere up north | We have a now 3 year old that had eye problems start when he was about 4 months old. We noticed it to be a bit cloudy and called the vet asap. We know you don't want to wait or mess around with eye issues. He had nothing in it, no injury. We treated it for months. It would get better and when we would take him off the ointment and it would flare up again. We had an opthamologist look at it...he did nothing for us...our local vet had already done everything he could think of. We sent in blood work. Nothing showed up. We did an accupunture serum around the eye. That didn't help. At first we were putting two ointments in his eye several times a day. We contiplated taking the eye out but thought we don't know that whatever is targeting that eye won't just go to the good eye. We had three different vets look at it. Finally our local vet said maybe we just try an antifungal treatment. We did an ointment and oral powder. I even called the University of MN asking them if they had any other ideas (same opthamologist goes there...so I knew they couldn't help) or would they take him for research (we would donate him). They thought fungal was highly unlikely where we live and said good luck we don't want him. We tried it anyways and it's theonly thing that worked. We kept him on it for a year. Oral and eye ointment. Then took him off both and it was the first time it didn't flare up again. Then started back on the oral in Spring before the snow starts to melt. He is now 3 and although sometimes it does look a bit cloudy, he can see out of it and it's pretty much normal and WAy better than it was.
We often said if he wasn't so good about treating it then we wouldn't have stuck with it. He would let us put ointment in his eye without a halter. Such a sweet heart.
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| Just remembered that I was given an ointment called Thermazine. It is not an opthamolic ointment but was told to use in the eye. It is an antibiotic AND anti fungal. May want to ask your vet about it. I don't think it was very expensive and would cover BOTH bases. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Just something to keep a watch for -- atrophine does tend to slow gut motility, which mean colic is a possible side effect, particularly if the atrophine has to be used long term. | |
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| I do know of a horse who had a fungal infection in her eye, it took two vets to diagnose it.
The vet stitched a flush into the eye, and flushed freshly spun platelets/plasma every 4 hours for 48 hours then every 6 for some time. The horse was getting platelets/plasma in the eye for 2 weeks.
Now the horse has a small scar (you need to look for the scar to see it) and perfect vision | |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | There has been some improvement. The eye is opened almost all the way and there's less tearing. It still looks bad though. But compared to what it was... I've been putting what I believe are anti-fungals--Chloramphenicol and Variconazole--in his eye 6 to 7 times a day, plus Atropine twice a day. I am also putting an antibiotic in the good eye twice a day, which had some small tearing and that eye is perfectly normal now. We're about ready to stop treating that eye.
The vets think there is an abscess and a fungus deep inside the eyeball, not on the surface. That's why the cytology (scraping) didn't show it. But we don't really know for sure. We're still waiting for the results of the Leptosporosis test.
Rodeoveteran, I will ask about switching to Banamine and also flushing the tear ducts. I will also ask about the Thermazine ointment. These vets are trying to watch my money--I think they are being really conscientious about doing what is most likely to be effective and cost effective.
Chasincansmn, that sounds hopeful.
SCwrangler, yes, they warned me about the Atropine possibly causing colic. Makes me nervous.
Cheryl, they took blood to do what you said, spin for platelets or something, in case we need it. Did that actually work? | |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | Oh boy, this is not good. When I last wrote, he had two days where it looked like it was improving and the good eye which had started slightly tearing, was perfectly normal. Then the next day, it was bad again. The bad eye is all closed up and tearing and the good eye is tearing a bit again. I was freaking out because I had hope there for a minute but now it's been three full weeks of treatment (and I've been religious--I treat him a MINIMUM of six times a day) and no improvement whatsoever. When I talked to the vet two days ago (she's been in constant contact with me texting and on the phone) she felt confident that it was an abscess brewing inside the eyeball and a fungus inside the eyeball. She ordered oral anti-fungal medication now because I told her if that's what she thinks it is and if she thinks that'll help, let's do it. Another $250 later.... I should get it in the mail tomorrow. But I am not sure if I agree that it's an abscess and fungus inside that bad eye because why is the good eye tearing? It is tearing now regularly even though I am applying antibiotic ointment to that eye. I'm no vet and I believe I have great vets working with me, but my gut tells me it's something systemic. Because why does the other eye seem affected? Could it be pain radiating from the bad eye?
We still haven't gotten back the results from the Leptospiroris test but the vet said even if that's positive, she doesn't think it is what's causing this in the eye. When I was reading about Lepto, I learned that penicillin, which is what Frodo recommended, is one of the treatments of choice. When this initially started and I asked about using penicillin, the vet said the horse is too big and would need two big shots at a time and she didn't recommend that. She also said sometimes horses can be injected with penicillin ten times and then on the eleventh time, he could suddenly have a seizure. I am going to bring it up to her again. Because I think it's Lepto. What do you guys think about the penicillin? Have you ever heard or experienced any bad stories about it?
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Location: OH. IO | I feel horrible for you.Im one that spent over 5000 bucks on my grade 800.00 appy and lost the eye in the end.our final answer came from ohio state veterinary hospital.He thrived after the removal but the time , dedication and meds were overwhelming. All I can say is good luck to you and im sorry you are going thru this! | |
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| Could the good eye be getting irritated by the antibiotics you are putting in it? He could have rubbed either eye, making them worse. When hubby's horse had a fungal abcess in his sys, it started out with a cloudy spot which after treating for a few days all of a sudden looked like a pimple ready to pop, never did take the stain until State scraped UNDER the epithelial cells.
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| With penicillian you just have to draw your syringe back after inserting the needle to make sure no blood comes out. If it does just reposisition your needle, don't even have to take needle out all the way, just out of the muscle and move slightly. If you make sure no blood you shouldn't have any problems.
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| SmokinBandits - 2016-01-18 5:26 PM
There has been some improvement. The eye is opened almost all the way and there's less tearing. It still looks bad though. But compared to what it was... I've been putting what I believe are anti-fungals--Chloramphenicol and Variconazole--in his eye 6 to 7 times a day, plus Atropine twice a day. I am also putting an antibiotic in the good eye twice a day, which had some small tearing and that eye is perfectly normal now. We're about ready to stop treating that eye.
The vets think there is an abscess and a fungus deep inside the eyeball, not on the surface. That's why the cytology (scraping) didn't show it. But we don't really know for sure. We're still waiting for the results of the Leptosporosis test.
Rodeoveteran, I will ask about switching to Banamine and also flushing the tear ducts. I will also ask about the Thermazine ointment. These vets are trying to watch my money--I think they are being really conscientious about doing what is most likely to be effective and cost effective.
Chasincansmn, that sounds hopeful.
SCwrangler, yes, they warned me about the Atropine possibly causing colic. Makes me nervous.
Cheryl, they took blood to do what you said, spin for platelets or something, in case we need it. Did that actually work?
Worked like a dream, the horse isn't mine, the owner says there is a scar, however I can't see the scar | |
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| To respond to the vets penicillin comment.
You need to find a different vet, one who is spreading the lies about penicillin, is not knowledgable to deal with the eye.
Yes horses can have a procamide reaction. The local freezing in the intramuscular penicillin, IF it gets into the blood stream, it goes to the brain, and shut it off. Majority of horses will come out of it.
I have had it happen 3 times.
First was when I was 10, hit blood neighbour said it was okay to continue, she did the funky chicken and was fine in 30 min.
Second I pulled back no blood, 30 seconds later the horse flipped over the panels, ran through 2 fences, I couldn't get close to him for an hour. Surprising no physical injuries, and he was fine too.
Third horse I was using long acting, no blood when I withdrew, she pranced around the pasture for 30 min never harmed herself.
Yes your horse would need around 60 ml twice a day (this is the dosage my vet suggest I use on all full grown horses) for 3 days then 30ml twice a day for 11 days. My vet likes 2 weeks of penicillin.
As others say withdraw once inserted into the muscle to ensure you have no blood. Since I have had a few, I withdraw every 5 cc given.
There is also IV penicillin that if you can do IV administration no chance of seizure, it has to be given ever 6 hours as it has a short half life. This you have to get from your vet. On really sick horses I will give this for 24 hours then switch to 30 ml twice a day as the intravenous penicillin, gets therapeutic plasma levels up within that time. | |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | Oh Jake16, that's what I'm afraid of. You are not the first person who told me a story like that; spent thousands of dollars and still lost the eye. That's the road I think I'm on.
Rodeoveteran, I don't think the tearing in the good eye is from the antibiotics because we started the antibiotic ointment in that eye because it started tearing. So it was tearing first. She also said the same thing--maybe he was rubbing it or something. Although I've never seen him rub. She wants to see it (her partners saw it--I'm working with three vets on the same team who I feel are very good) since I think it's related to the bad eye.
Cheryle and Euchee, thanks for the info on the penicillin. Cheryl, that scares me what you described! I can't do IV shots. Glad to hear the results of the blood spinning thing Cheryl.
I still have to reread everything BarrelHorseUSA said. It's been so hectic here treating him every two to three hours and trying to work so I can pay for it all and now we're having a blizzard!
Update: the Lepto came back NEGATIVE. Honestly, I was shocked. Vet still feels confident it's an abscess and fungus. I am waiting for a new medicine to be delivered. An ORAL anti-fungal. We'll start him on that and in a few days I'll get the vet out again.
Thank you so much everybody! I am grateful for the help on here!
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Location: South MS | SmokinBandits - 2016-01-10 4:52 PM My beautiful Paint in my avatar came out of the field on New Year's, Friday morning, with his eye tearing (clear) and swollen shut. On Sunday morning the covering vet came. The eye didn't take the dye, indicating it wasn't an injury. I was shocked she thought it could be more than a scrape or a piece of hay stuck in it. He's 18. Never had eye problems before. She did some stuff and left me with an antibiotic/steroid ointment, Atropine ointment, and Banamine. No improvement. My regular vet came out Thursday morning and spent three hours examining him, including cytology (sp?)--taking cells to send up to the "experts," and consulting with New Bolton. She ruled out injury, moonblindness, and something systemic. This was the horse who was lethargic a few months ago when I switched to the low sugar grain. She said no, it has nothing to do with that. She suspects an abscess, though it doesn't present in a classic way, or fungus. Tomorrow morning we should find out when we get the results from the culture if it's a fungus. She said stop using the antiobiotic/steroid I had been given, and left me with two tubes of fungal cream and instructed to continue with the Atropine and Bute. I have been dedicated even though he's been fighting me because it hurts so much and getting it into his eye at least four times a day, sometimes more. But there hasn't been any improvement. His eye is 40% grey and cloudy and I can see he doesn't feel good at all. He's not drinking his water well. The vet mentioned the option of removing the eye, worst case scenario, and I know they can live fine without it, but removing an eye is very drastic. However, I don't have the money to go on a wild goose chase (a friend had the same thing happen and wound up spending four grand and the horse still lost his eye) PLUS I don't want this horse to suffer unnecessarily! I've done this before with animals--treat, and treat, and treat, and the whole time they're suffering and it's just horrible! Any info or stories you can tell me would be appreciated and I'd like your opinion on how far to go. Thank you!
I have a horse with uveitis-I know its not the same- I give him 10k MSM daily with AntiH (Animed) daily - he doesnt have problems with this. I would add MSM to his diet for the anti inflammatory effects and keep a mask on at all times (one of the UV ones)
I use atropine and prednosine drops and after I wash with saline 2x daily when we are having problems. When on the drops he cant go outside in the light. | |
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Location: Arkansas | SmokinBandits - 2016-01-23 8:00 AM
Oh Jake16, that's what I'm afraid of. You are not the first person who told me a story like that; spent thousands of dollars and still lost the eye. That's the road I think I'm on.
Rodeoveteran, I don't think the tearing in the good eye is from the antibiotics because we started the antibiotic ointment in that eye because it started tearing. So it was tearing first. She also said the same thing--maybe he was rubbing it or something. Although I've never seen him rub. She wants to see it (her partners saw it--I'm working with three vets on the same team who I feel are very good) since I think it's related to the bad eye.
Cheryle and Euchee, thanks for the info on the penicillin. Cheryl, that scares me what you described! I can't do IV shots. Glad to hear the results of the blood spinning thing Cheryl.
I still have to reread everything BarrelHorseUSA said. It's been so hectic here treating him every two to three hours and trying to work so I can pay for it all and now we're having a blizzard!
Update: the Lepto came back NEGATIVE. Honestly, I was shocked. Vet still feels confident it's an abscess and fungus. I am waiting for a new medicine to be delivered. An ORAL anti-fungal. We'll start him on that and in a few days I'll get the vet out again.
Thank you so much everybody! I am grateful for the help on here!
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