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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | FLITASTIC - 2016-01-15 4:33 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-01-15 1:22 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-01-15 12:05 PM Well shoot, why did I bother to get that Masters and almost done with my PhD. lol Dang it, I could have saved myself some serious cash... Flit homeschooled people don't give teachers enough credit. Homeschooled people don't have to design their own curriculum, they purchase one that has already been designed by teachers. The state approved curriculum is also designed by teachers A homeschooled parent is essentially a teachers aid. There are pros and cons to teachers versus parents teaching. There are pros and cons to the classic school system. I do believe this sets people up better in life for the harsh reality that awaits. The op must ask herself why homeschool? This is just as an example.. Our top seniors at my school graduate having taken several AP ( Advanced placement ) courses ( College classes taught to HS students ). Most are taking and doing well in advanced calculus and other high end math/science classes. Now unless the parent is unique in their education with a mechanical engineering degree or math degree, there is no box that is going to help a parent home school teach their kids calculus. ( JMHO ). But I am sure if the parent (S ) are college graduates with technical degrees it would work out fine. I teach Advanced placement courses myself. I think most parents are totally capable of teaching the basic graduation requirements. However, if the student wants to go on to college they are going to be competing against my students who do have that higher academic background. Are all teachers good? ABSOLUTELY NOT....... NOT EVEN CLOSE. But on my campus they are far and few between. For the most ( I would say.... 95% ) are outstanding and serve the students of our campus very well. THat was my only point, not to be snarkey.
My youngest was homeschooled.
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| I am also a public school teacher. It goes back to parents playing an active role in their child's lives. Homeschool vs. public school are secondary. I had a student who was home schooled until the 6th grade. When he came to our school he couldn't read and struggled a lot. He ended up dropping out of high school. On the other hand I went to college with a friend who was home schooled her whole life. She did very well with college and was a top student in the education program.
My guess is the OP will probably do just fine....parents and teachers are a team. When what's best for the student/child is the foundation of the decision we both win.
I also hold a master's degree. Really...it is a piece of paper that represents the hoops I jumped through. As far as true teaching ability you either have it or you don't. The good teachers are not made....I truly believe they are born with a gift.
The sad part is when parents choose to home school but don't follow through. However, most of these parents send their kids to public school and those kids never miss a day. ;-)
ETA....Ment to read hoops not holes. Typing from my phone.
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Location: South Central Florida | I homeschooled 2 chldren all 12 years. Both have college degrees. When I started, 1991, there were not a lot of us. It took off a few years later.
I did not purchase any pre set programs, well I probably did early, but quickly found they didn't work for us. I can assure you I was not a teachers ade. We did 2 years of schooling using just the Bible and a set of encyclopedias. Bible was for reading, hand writing, history, and geography. We used real life for math.
Some strange things people say about home schooled kids that make no sense to me are things like "the neighbor kids are shy and quiet". I guess public schools never put out any shy and quiet students. WOW
They need public schooling to function in the real world. When in life anywhere are you ever locked in a room for 8 hours a day with 30 to 50 people the same age as you? UMmm never.
The kids are sitting outside half the day. . . as apposed to sitting at a desk, or in line for lunch, or in line for PE, or in line to go to the restroom . . . .The amount of time spent on actual school work is less than half the day a child sits in a class room. They waste a lot of time out of necessity, home schooling doesn't have to.
With all that said, I do not recommend Home Schooling, unless you truly feel it is something you WANT to do. Being the last resort is never a good reason.
This is one of my favorites. . .Once, I knew a kid that was home schooled and he was so weird. Again, Public schools never ever ever produce weird kids?
I wish people could just accept that 1 schooling system doesn't work for all the population. There are a million different personalities and learning styles. I think the public school/Christian school environment is great, but not for everyone. I don't understand why people that chose something different but just as effective (actually testing shows more effective) has to be criticized and ridiculed.
If you chose to home school, I would find a group and join. We did art and music and several other subjects over the years. Check with your state and find out what the law requires.
My children had no problem getting into college. Both earned multipal scholarships and the admissions people told us they LOVE Home schooled kids. They are used to working alone, generally have excellent skills and adapt very quickly to the college environment.
Good Luck with your decission, but do a lot of research. I loved it and would not trade those years for anything. I would advise that if you meet someone that says "you have to home school, Public schools are all horrible and it's the only way" or someone that says "you have to do traditional schooling, it's the only way, everyone else is a freak and stupid" walk away from them both. Neither of them has the best interest of your child in mind, only their view point.
It is a lot of hard work but also a lot of fun.
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-15 3:47 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-01-15 3:22 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-01-15 12:05 PM Well shoot, why did I bother to get that Masters and almost done with my PhD. lol Dang it, I could have saved myself some serious cash... Flit homeschooled people don't give teachers enough credit. Homeschooled people don't have to design their own curriculum, they purchase one that has already been designed by teachers. The state approved curriculum is also designed by teachers A homeschooled parent is essentially a teachers aid. There are pros and cons to teachers versus parents teaching. There are pros and cons to the classic school system. I do believe this sets people up better in life for the harsh reality that awaits. The op must ask herself why homeschool?
Flit, my friends who homeschool kids who are getting into the higher maths and sciences have to bring in tutors.  They  arrange a small group to help with costs. Â
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-15 3:47 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-01-15 3:22 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-01-15 12:05 PM Well shoot, why did I bother to get that Masters and almost done with my PhD. lol Dang it, I could have saved myself some serious cash... Flit homeschooled people don't give teachers enough credit. Homeschooled people don't have to design their own curriculum, they purchase one that has already been designed by teachers. The state approved curriculum is also designed by teachers A homeschooled parent is essentially a teachers aid. There are pros and cons to teachers versus parents teaching. There are pros and cons to the classic school system. I do believe this sets people up better in life for the harsh reality that awaits. The op must ask herself why homeschool?
Flit, my friends who homeschool kids who are getting into the higher maths and sciences have to bring in tutors.  They  arrange a small group to help with costs. Â
Chandler is a Sr at a private Christian academy. Before that he was at a public school----it was such a disappointment to me that over half the school year was spent teaching how to pass the state tests. WHAT???? Teach them what they need for life and to further themselves in their chosen profession, not how to take a test in the 8th grade that amounts to diddly 15 days later. . . Sorry, but I expect more
He begged me to homeschool, but I knew neither of us had the discipline required. I had some of the best teachers in the world when I was in school, and I have nothing but respect for the good ones. They do something I could never do in a million years for not nearly enough money or respect. Just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean anything disrespectful to the teachers on here.
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | I was homeschooled. I graduated from collage with a 3.87 gpa . I would not trade my schooling for the world. I went to collage with all public school kids who could not hardly read or write had know idea of our country's history had never read the constitution not did they have the ability to think or reason for them selfs. They believed what ever they were told. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I'm in Louisiana also, and am definitely leaning toward homeschooling for my son. He's only a year and a half now, but I'm already looking into where to start and all that. In this area, homeschooling is huge! I was on their e-mail list when they had a yahoo group, and I can tell you socialization will not be a problem here. Those kids stay busy! They also have dances, a prom, homeschool graduation, and a bunch of other events I can't remember right now. One of my concerns was sports. If my son wants to play, I want him to be able to. It's my understanding that, since we pay taxes here, we also have access to public school sports programs. They are all after regular school hours, anyway. And, from what I have been told, if my kid has any athletic ability, the local schools will welcome him into their sports programs anyway.
The group moved from yahoo to meetup. So, you would have to become a member to get their e-mails.
e.t.a.: name of the Meetup group is St. Tammany Parish Homeschoolers
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| In my opinion if you want a quality education, as well as to keep your child out of the liberal indoctrination camps, homeschooling is the best way to go. Second child is now a senior. | |
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| I have to derail the conversation just to say when people are arguing for any type of schooling at least be able to spell the simple words. Also, how does one use the bible for history lessons? Please tell me there was at least other sources to be used to teach history. Don't get me wrong the bible is nice, but there has been A LOT of history between then and now. | |
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Location: Southwest Louisiana | kmcsunshine - 2016-01-16 10:17 AM In my opinion if you want a quality education, as well as to keep your child out of the liberal indoctrination camps, homeschooling is the best way to go. Second child is now a senior.
This is one of the major reasons we are considering homeschooling. Another big reason is all of the little kids being raised by lazy parents who don't teach them respect, manners or kindness. I went to public school and it wasn't all roses and sunshine, but man, kids these days - even in elementary school - are terrible. The things my kids come home asking me about are things they shouldn't hear until college, much less 2nd grade. And an administration who likes to keep their perfect record, so they shove everything under the rug regardless of who's fault or what's going on.
?I've been doing a lot of research and feel pretty confident we can give them a great education and enough schooling to be accepted to and graduate college. Both of mine are already honor and banner roll students and always score in the highest percentile on these stupid standardized tests. The teachers I've talked to complain about having to teach these tests instead of teaching the kids things they need to learn. I don't want my kids to graduate high school and not be able to function in everyday situations because everything they were taught was to get a good score on the test to keep the school looking good and ranking higher. | |
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Location: South Central Florida | When mine were entering college, their SAT.and ACT scores were enough for colleges to contact them, but we had no problems in Florida or in Texas. | |
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| Rodeo_cowgirl - 2016-01-16 12:22 AM
I was homeschooled. I graduated from collage with a 3.87 gpa . I would not trade my schooling for the world. I went to collage with all public school kids who could not hardly read or write had know idea of our country's history had never read the constitution not did they have the ability to think or reason for them selfs. They believed what ever they were told.
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| In Texas, teachers have to pass a test in their subject matter plus a professional development test. I teach an Early Graduation course. Everyone of my students is at risk. They come from homes that feel education is worthless. I have every discipline problem in the building, and some are on probation. I have had 15 students graduate since the beginning of the year. I have several requirements---leave your attitude at the door and get your work done or get out. I don't nag them all the time and they know that I care about them. I have to be proficient in every subject. I am sure that almost every teacher where I teach is an excellent teacher. I really feel that the general public has very little idea about what goes on in schools these days. One suggestion, try substituting and see if you can answer questions in the various subjects. That will give you an idea if you will be able to teach the subjects at home.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | streakysox - 2016-01-18 12:56 AM
Rodeo_cowgirl - 2016-01-16 12:22 AM
I was homeschooled. I graduated from collage with a 3.87 gpa . I would not trade my schooling for the world. I went to collage with all public school kids who could not hardly read or write had know idea of our country's history had never read the constitution not did they have the ability to think or reason for them selfs. They believed what ever they were told.
A good argument favoring public schools.
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| streakysox - 2016-01-18 12:56 AM
Rodeo_cowgirl - 2016-01-16 12:22 AM
I was homeschooled. I graduated from collage with a 3.87 gpa . I would not trade my schooling for the world. I went to collage with all public school kids who could not hardly read or write had know idea of our country's history had never read the constitution not did they have the ability to think or reason for them selfs. They believed what ever they were told.
A good argument favoring public schools.
I would have to agree. If you went to COLLEGE, please at least spell it correctly. Good grief! | |
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| Griz - 2016-01-18 5:30 AM
streakysox - 2016-01-18 12:56 AM
Rodeo_cowgirl - 2016-01-16 12:22 AM
I was homeschooled. I graduated from collage with a 3.87 gpa . I would not trade my schooling for the world. I went to collage with all public school kids who could not hardly read or write had know idea of our country's history had never read the constitution not did they have the ability to think or reason for them selfs. They believed what ever they were told.
A good argument favoring public schools.
I would have to agree. If you went to COLLEGE, please at least spell it correctly. Good grief!
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Sadly, I know public school and college-educated people who can't spell to save their lives. I make my living as a writer and editor. I've seen a lot and it's scary.
I agree about the parents siding with kids as a major problem. A big part of the problem I'm having with one of mine is the way the teachers, principal and parents don't handle things. I'm not one to make a big fuss about other people's kids. I'm also the type who gave the kindergarten teacher permission to paddle my kids if they misbehaved (she never had to). I always tell mine that if they get into trouble at school, they'll be in twice as much when they get home. When my son decided to wipe glue on the underside of his table in kindergarten, I made him go back and scrub it and write a letter apologizing to the teacher. ?What gets me is when someone is picking on my son, repeatedly, he is the one who gets into trouble. A girl was after him daily. My son is pretty small for his age. She is not. She would chase him down on the playground, push him down, pick on him in class. I saw this myself when parents were invited to eat lunch and go to the playground with them for Thanksgiving dinner. I asked her to leave him alone when I saw her push him and also asked the teacher what was going on between the two (this was happened for a month). The teacher said they were just playing and she never really does anything to him. Well, I got a call from the principal a week later saying my son slapped this girl and he was in the office. The whole story was she tripped him and he fell down, he got up and she pushed him back down so he jumped up and slapped her. He got sent to the office and they made him apologize to her. She got nothing. Now he did get into trouble for slapping her because he was taught to never slap anyone, especially a girl. But when I talked to the principal after hear the story, she said the girl didn't push him, he just fell and lied. And then, just before Christmas break, on the day of their party, my son and a friend were laying on the floor playing a board game (the teacher had asked us to send board games for them to play in class that day). Another kid stood on a desk and jumped on my son. The friend told me it was intentional because he was messing with him and my son all day. This kid landed on my son's ankle and sprained it. The teacher did nothing when my son told her he was hurt and told him to go play. I was never told. When he got off the bus that day he was limping and his ankle was huge. The doctor confirmed the sprain. The kid who did it didn't get into any trouble at all because his mother volunteers at the school a lot. I know this because others have had her kid pick on theirs and he never gets in trouble because his mom helps at school. I understand it wasn't the teachers fault. Lord knows teachers have a really tough job and they deserve 3xs the pay they get. But these aren't the only two situations, only the most recent. But I'm really tired of dealing with these things. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | I was homeschooled for several years, I was bored sick with school in 1st grade and the wasted time frustrated me because all I wanted to do was ride my horses. I was able to ride for some great hunter/jumper trainers, participate on our ski team and do a million other things that I wouldn't have been able to miss days at school to do. Our homework always had to be done first. If I was headed to a show for a week, then I was expected to be a week ahead with my homework to be able to go. We were tested yearly at the public schools and were always at the top. I took college classes at night in high school for science, some history, and a few other subjects. Tested out of freshman college math and English, scored really well on the ACTs.......academics were extremely important my entire life.
Homeschooling allowed me the time/flexibility to ride with some incredible trainers and take off for a couple of weeks at a time to show. School wasn't blown off, but I learned that if I worked hard and got ahead......I could chase the things that mattered to me.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I read somewhere above about the lack of respect kids in public school have. As much as I agree, it also goes back to the parents and how they have brought up their kids. My Amber, who's coming up on 7, is one of most polite, kind, little girls I have ever known. And yes, maybe I am partial, she is my baby after all. But she is just a joy to be around. She is only in the first grade, in a public school. She is at the top of her class in all subjects. She is a fluent reader, who is reading at almost a third grade level. She gets 100% on every spelling test. She's excellent at math and is already learning multiplication and simple division.... In saying that, I truly feel that I am the reason she has excelled the way that she has. I am constantly spending time with her, reading with her, challenging her. Giving her more difficult words to spell and books to read. She just soaks it all in like a sponge. She is such a respectful child, who would rather stay in and help her teacher get supplies ready, than go out and play. She cleans up after herself. She's polite with others and shares with everyone. Her teacher even assigns Amber to help show new classmates around, helping a certain disabled individual, and have her run errands for the class. I'm a proud mama....
On the other hand, the boy up the street(maybe 10 or so), was throwing sticks at my dog the other day to antagonize her. I yelled out to him, asking him to leave my dog alone. To which his response was "F$&@ you". And took off running down the road. His sister, who's under 16, walks the streets in a bikini during summer time and waves to all the passing men, including my husband. Public schooled? Yes. But this behavior could be corrected by the parents. Public school can't be blamed for everything. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-01-15 3:33 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-01-15 1:22 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-01-15 12:05 PM
Well shoot, why did I bother to get that Masters and almost done with my PhD. lol Dang it, I could have saved myself some serious cash...
Flit homeschooled people don't give teachers enough credit.
Homeschooled people don't have to design their own curriculum, they purchase one that has already been designed by teachers.
The state approved curriculum is also designed by teachers
A homeschooled parent is essentially a teachers aid.
There are pros and cons to teachers versus parents teaching.
There are pros and cons to the classic school system. I do believe this sets people up better in life for the harsh reality that awaits.
The op must ask herself why homeschool?
This is just as an example.. Our top seniors at my school graduate having taken several AP ( Advanced placement ) courses ( College classes taught to HS students ). Most are taking and doing well in advanced calculus and other high end math/science classes. Now unless the parent is unique in their education with a mechanical engineering degree or math degree, there is no box that is going to help a parent home school teach their kids calculus. ( JMHO ). But I am sure if the parent (S ) are college graduates with technical degrees it would work out fine. I teach Advanced placement courses myself. I think most parents are totally capable of teaching the basic graduation requirements. However, if the student wants to go on to college they are going to be competing against my students who do have that higher academic background. Are all teachers good? ABSOLUTELY NOT....... NOT EVEN CLOSE. But on my campus they are far and few between. For the most ( I would say.... 95% ) are outstanding and serve the students of our campus very well. THat was my only point, not to be snarkey.
I tend to agree with flit & cheryl. Not that individualized plans arent nice but you have to think about all the things in life you have to learn in group settings. I cant help but feel like if you are home-schooled and then are expected to go to college, how difficult it would be to adapt to that environment. I think public schools give kids a reality where they have to learn to adjust.
I do think home schooling has its perks like the additional field trips, I liked learning from seeing things vs reading from a book. But what I dont like about home schooling is the lack of structure or monitoring. This was several years ago but I know a few friends who were homeschooled in middle school through high school and their parents did most of their homework. They are not struggling. I know that this is a parents choice / bad decision but the kid suffers.
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